Logan (New Wolverine movie March 3rd 2017)

[The Clown Prince of Crime]

the DCEU is probably enhancing TDK legacy

 

[Khev]

I have to disagree, before TDK, Spider-Man 2 was considered the best superhero movie.

Not universally. In fact there were many claims by fans and media that IM1 was the best superhero movie ever (which also came out before TDK.) But even that left the door open for a definitive entry because as much as people loved IM1 he was still a B-grade hero. TDK gave us A+ hero vs. A+ villain in what most consider an A+ movie. Forget about anything topping it in the public consciousness.

 

[ZaCHw117]

1. TDK
2.Logan
3. BB

 

[pturtle]

Not universally. In fact there were many claims by fans and media the IM1 was the best superhero movie ever. But even that left the door open for a definitive entry because as much as people loved IM1 he was still a B-grade hero. TDK gave us A+ hero vs. A+ villain in what most consider an A+ movie. Forget about anything topping it in the public consciousness.

How wasn't it universally? I think when it came out it was the highest rated superhero movie ever, Spider-Man is an A list hero, Doc Ock is an A list villain and Spider-Man 2 was considered an A+ movie, and the movie made major bank at the box office. It literally checks off all the boxes on your criteria

Every decent superhero movie when it comes out has critics saying the same thing, but it never lasts, only TDK has had that kind of longevity.

 

[Khev]

Hardly anyone outside of comic geeks knew who Doc Ock was prior to Spidey 2. Hell most people still probably don't know who he is. But every generation knows the Joker. He's the Darth Vader of comics and probably always will be.

Any homerun movie that features him will top every other cbm, always. Back me up here DiFabio.

 

[pturtle]

I'm not even joking

I think people are desperate to get TDK out of that top spot, they're sick and tired of hearing about the Ledger and Nolan greatness and before BvS came out people were already calling Affleck the best Batman. The Nolan films have a ton of haters, and they're just itching to find a better a movie, but until we get an Oscar worthy superhero film, nothing will touch TDK. I don't see it being topped either with all these shared universe serialized movies. Unless we get more one-offs like Logan TDK will remain king.


If The Batman is at least 70% on rotten tomatoes, I'm sure a ton of the Batman nerds will be saying TDK has been topped

 

[ZaCHw117]

Not universally. In fact there were many claims by fans and media that IM1 was the best superhero movie ever (which also came out before TDK.)

IM1 probably was, until two months later when TDK hit.

TKD blew IM out of the water.

 

[pturtle]

Hardly anyone outside of comic geeks knew who Doc Ock was prior to Spidey 2. Hell most people still probably don't know who he is. But every generation knows the Joker. He's the Darth Vader of comics and probably always will be.

Any homerun movie that features him will top every other cbm, always. Back me up here DiFabio.

I'll give you Doc Ock isn't an A+ character in general, I thought we were talking in comic terms

Still, Spidey is an A list character, the movie was critical gold, and it made a ton at the box office, at that time it was considered the best superhero movie hands down. Iron Man came out and a few people were saying it's the best superhero movie of all time, then TDK came and since then it hasn't been topped.

By your logic, Batman 89 would have been considered the best superhero movie up until TDK came out. Batman 89 wasn't even as well received at Batman Returns.

 

[SNIKT1950]

That mansion scene is soooooo lame.

No, it isn't.

The MCU in its 14-film-run still hasn't been able to top Wolverine killing 11 soldiers inside a school.

 

[Khev]

By your logic, Batman 89 would have been considered the best superhero movie up until TDK came out.

No, because B89 was a critical mixed bag. STM was "the best" until Spidey 2, IM1, and then of course TDK.

Again, not saying that I personally agree with those rankings but according to history they are what they are.

 

[The Clown Prince of Crime]

I'm not even joking

I think people are desperate to get TDK out of that top spot, and before BvS came out people were already calling Affleck the best Batman. The Nolan films have a ton of haters, and they're just itching to find a better a movie, but until we get an Oscar worthy superhero film, nothing will touch TDK.


If The Batman is at least 70% on rotten tomatoes, I'm sure a ton of the Batman nerds will be saying TDK has been topped

I've also seen people who weren't fans of the Nolan films be appreciative of his trilogy because of the recent DCEU.

But you're probably right, there are people that never liked the Nolan films, so they'll take almost anything over it....even a single warehouse fight scene

IM1 probably was, until two months later when TDK hit.

TKD blew IM out of the water.

And it made Robert Downey jr upset

I remember him criticizing the film because it was "so high brow" and the film made no sense

 

[ZaCHw117]

No, it isn't.

The MCU in its 14-film-run still hasn't been able to top Wolverine killing 11 soldiers inside a school.

I agree.

I know Ptrutle does too.

 

[pturtle]

No, because B89 was a critical mixed bag. STM was "the best" until Spidey 2, IM1, and then of course TDK.

I don't remember it being critically mixed, it was a big deal in pop culture entertainment when it came out and it got good reviews. Didn't Jack even get a golden globe nomination for his performance?

 

[ZaCHw117]

And it made Robert Downey jr upset

I remember him criticizing the film because it was "so high brow" and the film made no sense

he was probably still on the tar.

 

[Khev]

Wolverine killing 11 soldiers inside a school.

Sounds brutal and amazing when you type it out unfortunately it was anything but on film.

 

[ZaCHw117]

Sounds brutal and amazing when you type it out unfortunately it was anything but on film.

it was pretty cool, c'mon khev take off your MCU aviators and agree.

 

[SNIKT1950]

Sounds brutal and amazing when you type it out unfortunately it was anything but on film.

See, I still refuse to believe you've seen X2 in recent years. The way Jackman dispatches the soldiers is pretty damn heavy for today's PG-13 standards.

The MCU is notorious for "zero wound penetration" and off-screen deaths.

 

[pturtle]

Certainly more brutal than anything in the MCU, and Jackman's acting elevates that scene even more.

Snikt is right, Singer had to take out some scenes to make it PG13.

Jackman can teach Evans a thing or two about acting



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[Khev]

The MCU is notorious for "zero wound penetration" and off-screen deaths.

Except for the Cap movies (the other MCU films can take a flying leap .) I've never once cringed or let out an "ooh!" watching a pre-Logan X-Men death the way I did when Cap sent the guy through the propeller or Bucky kicked the dude through the Quinjet turbine.

 

[pturtle]

See, I still refuse to believe you've seen X2 in recent years. The way Jackman dispatches the soldiers is pretty damn heavy for today's PG-13 standards.

The MCU is notorious for "zero wound penetration" and off-screen deaths.

Prepare for Khev to bring up Cap throwing that soldier off the jet in TFA. That was the the saving grace of that mediocre movie

Edit: Ah damn, I was a few seconds late