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[KitFisto]

FFS.....they are movies. Just enjoy them.

 

[DiFabio]

FFS.....they are movies.

Except TDK, that's something more.

Just enjoy them.

But not too too much. When it doubt, enjoy them just a little bit less than TDK.

 

[Khev]

But back to the realm of the almighty CBM. What makes TDK the one to beat exactly? It's box office? Already happened. Oscars? Other comic book movies have gotten em' before and after (I mean hell, Suicide Squad just got one). What is TDK the king of exactly? Who is even dictating such a notion? Is there a CBM authority or god I'm not aware of?

I think it's just the perfect storm of Batman + Joker + extremely well done movie + Ledger's death + TDK being generally assumed to be the single reason that the Academy bumped Best Picture nominees from five in 2008 to ten going forward. Again, TDK isn't the definitive cbm or Batman movie *to me* but I do understand that the above formula just isn't anything that any other cbm will likely match. It will probably take an actual Best Picture win from either a new Batman, Superman, or Spider-Man movie to ever truly dethrone TDK as being the perennial bench mark for cbm greatness.

 

[Khev]

Sure, it gets annoying. I'm not defending it, but I understand it because it's nothing new.

When it comes to TDK, I can see why it has such an appeal, and you jokingly mentioned part of it in a previous page. It's Batman...but there might be other elements.

It's probably a combination of certain factors.

1. It's Batman...the most mainstream superhero

2. The overall quality (acting, characters, story, cinematography, score...etc)

3. Some nostalgia...believe it or not, it been almost 10 years

4. Ledger's death...maybe

5. Box office success

6. The year/timing it came out...before the influx of superhero films

7.It hit a cultural nerve...which isn't easy to explain or recreate

If we look at this list of "great superhero films", can we say the rest have all those elements? They might have a few, but maybe not all.

Wow, and I actually called the progression of "greatest cbm" ever to be STM -> Spidey 2 -> IM1 -> TDK and randomly enough the RT scores actually support that. Who'd a thought.

 

[SNIKT1950]

Wow, and I actually called the progression of "greatest cbm" ever to be STM -> Spidey 2 -> IM1 -> TDK and randomly enough the RT scores actually support that. Who'd a thought.

The only movie that doesn't belong on that list is Civil [safe] War.

 

[The Clown Prince of Crime]

The only movie that doesn't belong on that list is Civil [safe] War.

 

[DiFabio]

I just stared at that gif for a full minute. I don't know why.

 

[SNIKT1950]

I cringe when I think of that letter Steve wrote to Tony. I cringe.

 

[Doubler24]

I just stared at that gif for a full minute. I don't know why.

I am still staring at it

 

[DiFabio]

I cringe when I think of that letter Steve wrote to Tony. I cringe.

They gotta be semi-friends to fight Thanos bro.

NO STAKES

 

[Victοr]

I cringe when I think of that letter Steve wrote to Tony. I cringe.

616 Canon has a letter from Cap to Tony... Bonus points if you know the book...

 

[SNIKT1950]

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616 Canon has a letter from Cap to Tony... Bonus points if you know the book...

I don't care. Its crap. The whole movie is an exercise on how not to make any event that transpires meaningful.

Nothing happened.

 

[Khev]

When Cap's voice-over to Tony concluded they should have shown him walking in a field in Wakanda, single fist in the air. "Don't you...forget about me..."

 

[The Clown Prince of Crime]

I don't care. Its crap. The whole movie is an exercise on how not to make any event that transpires meaningful.

Nothing happened.

From a certain point of view.

The film accomplished a few things.

It introduces Spider-Man and Black Panther.

Capt is a fugitive.

It introduces the metahuman prison.

No one died and there are no long term consequences (that we know of), but I'll give it credit for being entertaining and introducing certain characters.

 

[Victοr]

I don't care. Its crap. The whole movie is an exercise on how not to make any event that transpires meaningful.

Nothing happened.

8/10.

Dug Spider-Man. Dug Black Panther. Dug

Spoiler

Giant Man

.

Expected something much more resonant, like TWS. This felt more like Avengers 2.5.

Marvel Studios keeps playing it safe. The comics have so much more emotional weight. These movies just won't go the distance. I honestly wish they hadn't called this Civil War.

>complains that the film is not faithful to the source material

>presented with source material

>doesn't care

 

[Khev]

I don't care. Its crap.

Actually the Civil War comic was crap. Probably the single worst Cap story I've ever read (no I'm not joking, I downright hated it.) Kudos to the Russos for making an entertaining flick out of terrible source material.

 

[The Clown Prince of Crime]

>complains that the film is not faithful to the source material

>presented with source material

>doesn't care

SNIKT be like

 

[Khev]

I agree with DiFabio that the TDK comparisons need to STOP.

Capt is a fugitive.

Yeah I thought that was an interesting way to conclude the movie. Has any other cbm ended with the main hero as a fugitive?

 

[SNIKT1950]

Actually the Civil War comic was crap. Probably the single worst Cap story I've ever read (no I'm not joking, I downright hated it.) Kudos to the Russos for making an entertaining flick out of terrible source material.

The Russos wanted to make a sequel to TWS that focused on Cap and Bucky - but Then Snyder announced that the MOS Sequel would be a "Batman vs. Superman" movie.

You have Feige to thank for Civil Skirmish and its absurd jerry-rigged conflict between the heroes.

Glad you liked it though. It got worse for me with every viewing.

 

[RIDDICK]

FFS.....they are movies. Just enjoy them.