Logan (New Wolverine movie March 3rd 2017)

[YoNoSe]

No, X-Men Origins is canon, there are shots from it in DOFP during Wolverine's vision of the past and Wolverine's mob girlfriend in '73 calls him "Jimmy". And no, FC & DOFP were not made to erase it. That's wishful thinking on the part of fanboys (who also wanted X3 erased).

The decision to soft reboot came from an idea that FOX had to do a spinoff about a young Magneto (to be penned and directed by David Goyer) and another movie about Scott, Jean and Storm as teens. The OC's Josh Schwartz was writing it and Tim Pocock - the kid who played Cyclops in X-Men Origins was set to star in it.

When X-Men Origins was received negatively by fans and critics and failed to make gangbusters at the box office, FOX brought Singer back - who basically combined those two planned spinoffs into one movie (First Class) and followed the Abrams Star Trek '09 formula to soft reboot the franchise with it.

DOFP was made as a response to The Avengers. Before The Avengers grossed $1 Billion at the BO, Vaughn was still set to helm a sequel to First Class that would take place during the JFK assassination. FOX dumped that in favor of a more ambitious storyline that would serve as their version of a crossover by bringing together both casts, which was DOFP.

Okay, forget continuity. The headline here is: Disaster Avoided, Universe Says "You're Welcome."

 

[SNIKT1950]

It makes no sense for him to travel 50 years into the past and wake up only 43 years into the future. Most likely just another editing mistake.

When Kitty says "50 years" she's not being exact. Sure, she could have said "43 years" but didn't.

Bottom line is the future sequences were 2016, not 2023.

 

[RIDDICK]

When Kitty says "50 years" she's not being exact.

She'd say 40 then.

Bottom line is...

... "This **** stinks!"

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[SNIKT1950]

I'm really curious to find out what happened in the eighth years between the DOFP ending and LOGAN.

It makes sense for Wolverine to have left though. With all his friends alive again and happy he could leave the heroics behind and stop being a "soldier".

My guess is something happened to the X-Men after he left and he blames himself for not having been there to stop it.

And if they wanna get real evocative of OLD MAN LOGAN, he's what happened to the X-Men.

 

[pturtle]

Oh well at least his new claws look good.

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Turtle’s Wolverine cosplay just in time for Halloween

 

[pturtle]

To be honest, the continuity in the series has never been great, but who cares? This is the only superhero franchise from the golden age of comic book movies that hasn’t been rebooted. I expect continuity issues with all the mess that goes on behind the scenes at Fox. As long as the movies are ambitious and unique, and unlike the MCU and DCEU films I’ll be happy. I don’t care how much this Logan film contradicts DOFP, it won’t stop DOFP from being one of the best comic book movies ever, and it won’t stop Logan from being a great film.

 

[The Clown Prince of Crime]

To be honest, the continuity in the series has never been great, but who cares? This is the only superhero franchise from the golden age of comic book movies that hasn’t been rebooted. I expect continuity issues with all the mess that goes on behind the scenes at Fox. As long as the movies are ambitious and unique, and unlike the MCU and DCEU films I’ll be happy. I don’t care how much this Logan film contradicts DOFP, it won’t stop DOFP from being one of the best comic book movies ever, and it won’t stop Logan from being a great film.

If Logan turns out to be a great film, you'll be like

 

[SNIKT1950]

To be honest, the continuity in the series has never been great

I see this on a lot of forums but don't follow.

The only issues I can agree are problematic are Moira, Angel, Psylocke & Trask from X3 being used in First Class, Days of Future Past and X-Men: Apocalypse. Clearly Singer wanted to reboot those characters and I'm glad he did. Trask was essential to DOFP & Munn's Psylocke was far superior to the two-second Psylocke we saw in X3.

There's really nothing else that doesn't fit.

Timeline A

-4000 B.C., a teenage En Sabah Nur builds the pyramids.
-3980 B.C., En Sabah Nur, now an adult, bonds with the Apocalypse entity but is buried underground in a comatose state.
-1829, Victor Logan is born in Canada.
-1832, James Howlett/Logan is born in Canada.
-1845, Victor and James flee Canada to America.
-1861, The Logan Bros. fight in the American Civil War
-1918, The Logan Bros. fight in WWI
-1931, Erik Lehnsherr is born.
-1933, Charles Xavier is born.
-1933, Raven Darkholme is born.
-1944, The Logan Bros. fight in WWII; Erik Lehnsherr is placed in a Nazi concentration camp where he meets Sebastian Shaw; Charles Xavier's family adopts Raven Darkholme.
-1945, Wolverine is captured by the Japanese. Survives bombing of Nagasaki.
-1962, events of X-Men: First Class.
-1963, Magneto is arrested for the assassination of JFK.
-1965, Wolverine and Sabretooth fight in the Vietnam War.
-1973, Wolverine works for the mob while on leave in NYC; Wolverine then returns to Vietnam where he and Sabretooth are executed & subsequently meet Stryker; Mystique kills Bolivar Trask in France.
-1979, most of the events from X-Men Origins as Wolverine volunteers for the adamantium bonding process, loses his memory soon after during the Three Mile Island incident & Xavier rescues Scott Summers, Ororo Munroe & Pietro Maximoff from Stryker's custody.
-1986, Xavier and Magneto recruit Jean Grey.
-1996, Warren Worthington's mutation manifests.
-2003, events of X-Men (2000).
-2004, events of X2: X-Men United (2003).
-2006, events of X-Men: The Last Stand (2006).
-2007, events of The Wolverine (2013).
-2009, Wolverine is recruited by Xavier and Magneto to aid them in the Sentinel threat.
-2016, future sequences of Days of Future Past (2014).

Timeline B (the bold represents the changes)

-4000 B.C., a teenage En Sabah Nur builds the pyramids.
-3980 B.C., En Sabah Nur, now an adult, bonds with the Apocalypse entity but is buried underground in a comatose state.
-1829, Victor Logan is born in Canada.
-1832, James Howlett/Logan is born in Canada.
-1845, Victor and James flee Canada to America.
-1861, The Logan Bros. fight in the American Civil War
-1918, The Logan Bros. fight in WWI
-1931, Erik Lehnsherr is born.
-1933, Charles Xavier is born.
-1933, Raven Darkholme is born.
-1944, The Logan Bros. fight in WWII; Erik Lehnsherr is placed in a Nazi concentration camp where he meets Sebastian Shaw; Charles Xavier's family adopts Raven Darkholme.
-1945, Wolverine is captured by the Japanese. Survives bombing of Nagasaki.
-1962, events of X-Men: First Class.
-1963, Magneto is arrested for the assassination of JFK.
-1965, Wolverine and Sabretooth fight in the Vietnam War.
-1973, the events of Days of Future Past (2014).
-1983, the events of X-Men: Apocalypse (2016).
-2016, the events of Deadpool (2016); the ending of Days of Future Past.
-2017, the events of Legion (2017).
-2024, the events of Logan (2017).

So basically, in Timeline B, Wolverine never goes back to Vietnam but still meets Stryker - who forces the adamantium bonding process on him. The man was destined to become Weapon X.

And yeah, if you ignore Moira, Trask, Angel & Psylocke's roles in X3, the continuity isn't that big of a problem.

 

[Chapter 2099]

I hope this last film ends on a high note. Really excited for the trailer.

 

[SNIKT1950]

Oh how long I've waited for this.

Thank you, God and thank you DEADPOOL for proving to Hollywood that an R-rating won't prevent you from making money.

 

[jye4ever]

You can see that stuff on Agents of Shield on Disney owned ABC lol.

The nails under the finger nail torture scene from AOS last season was much more brutal and shown up close.

So meh.

 

[SNIKT1950]

You can see that stuff on Agents of Shield on Disney owned ABC lol.

The nails under the finger nail torture scene from AOS last season was much more brutal and shown up close.

So meh.

AOS is garbage.

There's nothing brutal about it. Its standard safe Disney content.

They should have moved that show to NETFLIX after the deal finalized.

 

[YoNoSe]

You can see that stuff on Agents of Shield on Disney owned ABC lol.

The nails under the finger nail torture scene from AOS last season was much more brutal and shown up close.

So meh.

Yeah the kiddie-Disney complaints are stale. Zemo drowning a dude in a slop sink / Winter Soldier murdering the Starks are some of most f'd up things in any recent cbm.

 

[jye4ever]

AOS is garbage.

There's nothing brutal about it. Its standard safe Disney content.

They should have moved that show to NETFLIX after the deal finalized.

That's my point why there is nothing special or R about that arm.

Star Wars, the biggest children property ever created, showed a cut off arm in the Cantina in 1977 lol.

 

[SNIKT1950]

Yeah the kiddie-Disney complaints are stale. Zemo drowning a dude in a slop sink / Winter Soldier murdering the Starks are some of most f'd up things in any recent cbm.

The entirety of Captain America: Civil War is a Care Bears movie compared to that one scene.

There's more WAR in those 10 seconds than in the 147 minutes of Civil "War".

 

[Darth Snoopy]

That's my point why there is nothing special or R about that arm.

Star Wars, the biggest children property ever created, showed a cut off arm in the Cantina in 1977 lol.

Agreed.

I'm disappointed with what I've seen so far and I really want this movie to be good. Maybe it will be...but my expectations are very low now.

 

[EVILFACE]

Oh how long I've waited for this.

Thank you, God and thank you DEADPOOL for proving to Hollywood that an R-rating won't prevent you from making money.

I saw one Obi Wan Kenobi do that when I was six years old. Same year I also saw Pamela Voorhees drive a arrow through Kevin Bacon's neck.

 

[YoNoSe]

The entirety of Captain America: Civil War is a Care Bears movie compared to that one scene.

There's more WAR in those 10 seconds than in the 147 minutes of Civil "War".

Nah. But there's more hyperbole in that post than the last few pages.

But that is still the best scene of Wolverine being brutal. And proof that you don't need an R rating to effectively show his animal side.

 

[GasparZizou]

Yeah the kiddie-Disney complaints are stale. Zemo drowning a dude in a slop sink / Winter Soldier murdering the Starks are some of most f'd up things in any recent cbm.

All while carefully cut out of the frame or otherwise softened in some way, those 2 aren't f'd up at all, those feel like when a movie directed at kids is trying to be scawy.

The most f'd up scenes I've seen in the MCU, non-netflix side, were TWS throwing a dude in a propeller, which was awesome, and the Hulk squashing the skull of a chitauri, which was also kinda hidden.

Don't get me wrong, I don't think the MCU needs graphic violence so far (Maybe with Thanos), I think the complaint is more directed at the storytelling than the graphic violence, but that's their thing, I don't expect edgy from the MCU, I expect occasional pretend edgy, and that's fine by me.

 

[YoNoSe]

I don't think there's anything soft about the scenes or the movie. It doesn't feel like a kids movie at all to me. The violence is effective and in the case of the Starks it actually has an impact on characters and, at least in my case, the audience. Mileage may vary of course but like I said, silly "care bear" type comments are just hot air.

I imagine I'm now in store for some more Feige/Dis bashing. I'll just say ending Civil War with more emotional damage than physical was satisfying to me and more adult than forcing in a character death to try for some cheap shock value.