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Paxton wrote that fascism is:

a form of political behavior marked by obsessive preoccupation with community decline, humiliation or victimhood and by compensatory cults of unity, energy and purity, in which a mass-based party of committed nationalist militants, working in uneasy, but effective collaboration with traditional elites, abandons democratic liberties and pursues with redemptive violence and without ethical or legal restraints goals of internal cleansing and external expansion.

I've come to realize in my 30 years on this planet, with much regret, that government abhors freedom. It is not because as individuals, we do not appreciate the splendor that liberty brings, nor the cherished lives it affords us. It is because collectively, government cannot operate without order which by its nature, restrains freedom. Government that works, treads the line of maintaining law while not imposing on the liberty of its citizens. However, in times of fear and apathy, citizens give up freedom for safety and comfort. Benjamin Franklin once wrote:

Any society that would give up a little liberty to gain a little security will deserve neither and lose both.

It's not an argument for discarding prudent safety measures. But, it is a statement about the character of humanity, and the decline of liberty. There are security models out there that work without the TSA style approach (which has not proven to be effective), that require specialized enforcement officials rather than TSA's tv dinner lineup. Take a look at the Israeli model for instance.

TSA's problem isn't one of questioning their desire for security. We all agree there needs to be a solution. However, if we hand over our liberties and dignities to our government in fear and apathy, we empower it to control us rather than serve us. And, with each new generation, what was once a regrettable concession becomes common place. And, that generation will make it's own concessions. In time, we may find ourselves oppressed by a tyrannical government, faced with the need to once again rise up as patriots, and win our freedom. The preventative to that distant future, is ensuring our government continues to walk that line between law and liberty, serving the people.

Liberty is most often lost slowly in pieces, rarely in whole. We still have a choice, and those who refuse to submit to the screening do so by their own conscience, whether we agree with them or not. However, if we cherish the freedom that in time of need we would so willingly send our children, and our brothers and sisters to die to protect, we have a civic duty to ensure their prize is secure at home.

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That was brilliantly stated. I wish I were so eloquent in my communication of how I feel about what is going on today. The good news is, I think the majority of people are seeing and expressing their dissatisfaction at how dysfunctional our leaders, government, and laws/policies/regulation agencies have become.
 
wont happen...but I'll insult you back by thinking your quite dumb for wanting to walk through the radiation scanners :)

That's the insult? I get called worse than that when I order coffee in the morning. Between the cell phone usage, microwave usage, laptop usage, drinking that Radiation Energy Drink every morning, bathing with that green goop that gives my hair so much shine, its not a big deal to pile on more.
 
That's the insult? I get called worse than that when I order coffee in the morning. Between the cell phone usage, microwave usage, laptop usage, drinking that Radiation Energy Drink every morning, bathing with that green goop that gives my hair so much shine, its not a big deal to pile on more.

Plus it doubles as birth control. SCORE!!!
 
Oh no radiation. Yeah I just breezed through security while people _____ moan and complain about X-rays, searches etc...
 
Oh no radiation. Yeah I just breezed through security while people _____ moan and complain about X-rays, searches etc...

That's what I think is so hilarious about all of this. Go through the damn scanner. It takes what a second or two? :lol
 
This invasion of personal privacy is just one of the first steps. All of you who are ok with this make sure to be the first in line for your RFID chips. They are coming. It's all about setting people up and getting them used to the loss of little freedoms here and there.


Many here will do just that.
 
That's what I think is so hilarious about all of this. Go through the damn scanner. It takes what a second or two? :lol

Pretty much, take everything out of pockets, stand with arms up for few seconds then they have you wait for 15-20 seconds until they radio that your clear. Then you turn laugh at those waiting 5-10 min to get felt up since so many people won't walk through scanner.
 
Pretty much, take everything out of pockets, stand with arms up for few seconds then they have you wait for 15-20 seconds until they radio that your clear. Then you turn laugh at those waiting 5-10 min to get felt up since so many people won't walk through scanner.

:lol:lol:lol:lol
 
Paxton wrote that fascism is:

a form of political behavior marked by obsessive preoccupation with community decline, humiliation or victimhood and by compensatory cults of unity, energy and purity, in which a mass-based party of committed nationalist militants, working in uneasy, but effective collaboration with traditional elites, abandons democratic liberties and pursues with redemptive violence and without ethical or legal restraints goals of internal cleansing and external expansion.

I've come to realize in my 30 years on this planet, with much regret, that government abhors freedom. It is not because as individuals, we do not appreciate the splendor that liberty brings, nor the cherished lives it affords us. It is because collectively, government cannot operate without order which by its nature, restrains freedom. Government that works, treads the line of maintaining law while not imposing on the liberty of its citizens. However, in times of fear and apathy, citizens give up freedom for safety and comfort. Benjamin Franklin once wrote:

Any society that would give up a little liberty to gain a little security will deserve neither and lose both.

It's not an argument for discarding prudent safety measures. But, it is a statement about the character of humanity, and the decline of liberty. There are security models out there that work without the TSA style approach (which has not proven to be effective), that require specialized enforcement officials rather than TSA's tv dinner lineup. Take a look at the Israeli model for instance.

TSA's problem isn't one of questioning their desire for security. We all agree there needs to be a solution. However, if we hand over our liberties and dignities to our government in fear and apathy, we empower it to control us rather than serve us. And, with each new generation, what was once a regrettable concession becomes common place. And, that generation will make it's own concessions. In time, we may find ourselves oppressed by a tyrannical government, faced with the need to once again rise up as patriots, and win our freedom. The preventative to that distant future, is ensuring our government continues to walk that line between law and liberty, serving the people.

Liberty is most often lost slowly in pieces, rarely in whole. We still have a choice, and those who refuse to submit to the screening do so by their own conscience, whether we agree with them or not. However, if we cherish the freedom that in time of need we would so willingly send our children, and our brothers and sisters to die to protect, we have a civic duty to ensure their prize is secure at home.


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Paxton wrote that fascism is:

Chet would know. He was a brilliant man.

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Hahahaha! I just noticed this board member. Love the name! :rock

My local news ran a story. Most people didn't care about the new procedures. Except this guy.
But a man named Charlie from Chester, New Jersey said the new security measures have made him feel like he will only fly when absolutely necessary. "This one we always drive," Charlie said. "It's a four hour trip and we always do this one, but I've got another daughter in Houston and we're delaying that trip for a whole bunch of reasons and this is one of them."


So this guy is going to not see his daughter because he doesn't want to go through a scanner. :lol
 
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People need to get over themselves....why does everything have to turn into someone else's political agenda?

I used to think that when Marlon Brando bought his own island that he was crazy. I now understand that he wanted to get away from the craziness.....

Marlon - big guy - I owe you an apology....!

Man, I am ready for that rocket ship to Pandora - long as the rest of the dumb bastards dont come along
 
People need to get over themselves....why does everything have to turn into someone else's political agenda?

It's a conspiracy! Soon the reptiles from the planet xulu will come and decieve us. The end is almost here! Have you prepared? :nana:
 
I realize that as a lawyer, you are trained in doublespeak. Fortunately, it really is not that difficult to see through. Your points may be relevant to your own point of view, but after all the whitewash is cleaned away, they become irrelevant. If the issue is truly with privacy, the videographer is intruding every bit as much as the TSA. If the issue is with the TSA...then it should be stated that way and it should not be masked as an issue of privacy.

Blah, blah.

The issue is with the TSA invading privacy. The "videographer" is just a distraction ... a countermeasure to take the focus off of the TSA. The videographer was a private citizen recording public activity that was forced into public by the TSA ... I don't care about the videographer.

SnakeDoc
 
I guess I still don't see how the TSA is invading anyones privacy? They didn't invite anyone to the airport and force them to fly. The masses however tomorrow will "invade" the airports tomorrow and it's up to the TSA to do their best to insure their safety. No small task. Also remember, these "customers" decided they would prefer to be patted down. So they asked for it.

Also I seriously doubt they enjoy touching and patting down the masses. Can anyone imagine working at the San Diego airport at the end of Comicon? Thats ____ing gross! I'm sure they want to get right on patting the sweaty stinky douche bags that decided standing in lines all day was far more important than bathing. :rotfl

I'm also aware that with any new process there will be hiccups. I watched Teemu's video that showed them beating that woman. They should have been and probably were fired. There are random incidents at anyones work. So a few isolated ones are bound to happen in an airport as well.
 
Blah, blah.

The issue is with the TSA invading privacy. The "videographer" is just a distraction ... a countermeasure to take the focus off of the TSA. The videographer was a private citizen recording public activity that was forced into public by the TSA ... I don't care about the videographer.

SnakeDoc

:lecture:lecture

any way for these people here to make so many excuses for the TRUTH being shown!

I say Expose Evil or be a slave!
 
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