Media Metal Gear Solid V: The Phantom Pain & Ground Zeroes

[krec9]

Re: Metal Gear Solid V: The Phantom Pain

so the next game we'll see the transformation of Big Boss from a Good Guy to a Villain?

I'm hoping so this needs to happen.

 

[Solidus]

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From the revelations in MGS 4, I doubt that Big Boss could ever truly become a villain. I mean, think about it: if he becomes "evil", then what does that make Zero - a good guy?

 

[Dark_Spidey]

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He simply becomes a public enemy. That doesn't make him necessariy evil.

I hope we'll see Frank Jaeger, Naomi and Sniper Wolf. Based on the timeline it'd make sense

 

[Brandoloneous]

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He simply becomes a public enemy. That doesn't make him necessariy evil.

I hope we'll see Frank Jaeger, Naomi and Sniper Wolf. Based on the timeline it'd make sense

This 100%

About time to get this damn train moving towards connecting the other entries. The next game after MGSV has got to be a remake of MG1 and hopefully MG2 as well.

1964 - MGS3
1970 - Portable Ops
1974 - Peace Walker
1974 - Ground Zeroes
1983 - MGS5
1995 - MG1
1999 - MG2

If we keep skipping forward about a decade per entry, that is. Here's hoping.

 

[WellCQCaboutthat]

Good job playa. :beer:

Sent from Shadow Moses by codec.

 

[Solidus]

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He simply becomes a public enemy. That doesn't make him necessariy evil.

I hope we'll see Frank Jaeger, Naomi and Sniper Wolf. Based on the timeline it'd make sense

Yeah, that's true. He basically becomes an enemy to the world because of Zero's misinformation. That's not to say that Big Boss might not crack a few eggs along the way to save most of the dozen (aka. choose the path of the greater good), but he's far from being evil.

 

[Dark_Spidey]

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Yeah, that's true. He basically becomes an enemy to the world because of Zero's misinformation. That's not to say that Big Boss might not crack a few eggs along the way to save most of the dozen (aka. choose the path of the greater good), but he's far from being evil.

That's exactly it.

Seeing him make some extreme decisions would be great.

 

[Snake Plissken]

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Yeah, that's true. He basically becomes an enemy to the world because of Zero's misinformation. That's not to say that Big Boss might not crack a few eggs along the way to save most of the dozen (aka. choose the path of the greater good), but he's far from being evil.

He was evil, until those evil retcons changed that. Turning him into a hero and Snake the unknowing villain was the dumbest twist to the whole franchise.

 

[Dark_Spidey]

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He was evil, until those evil retcons changed that. Turning him into a hero and Snake the unknowing villain was the dumbest twist to the whole franchise.

Same thing goes for Ocelot.

He was supposed to be the russian bad guy in MGS1 and 10 years later, Kojima made him the most decisive character in the franchise lol

 

[Snake Plissken]

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Same thing goes for Ocelot.

He was supposed to be the russian bad guy in MGS1 and 10 years later, Kojima made him the most decisive character in the franchise lol

Ugh I wish he just stayed a agent for Solidus... it was cool to see him in MGS3 as a Russian Spetsnaz Officer but then turns out to me an American agent...

Did they even explain how Ocelot/Liquid or whatever came into control of all those PMCs in MGS4? To me it sounded like he was running them even at the time of MGS2.

I'm rusty of MGS4

 

[Dark_Spidey]

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Did they even explain how Ocelot/Liquid or whatever came into control of all those PMCs in MGS4? To me it sounded like he was running them even at the time of MGS2.

I'm rusty of MGS4

Yeah he used SOP, the nanomachines inside their bodies, to control them

 

[Snake Plissken]

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Yeah he used SOP, the nanomachines inside their bodies, to control them

I meant how he came into control over the PMCs, the four that the B&B command over and are run by a single mother company Outer Heaven.

If I remember right, the Patriots wanted Ocelot to run them for them? I don't think they ever made it clear.

And how exactly does him being Liquid and using the PMCs to wage war do anything for his goal for eliminating them? He had GW, so why didn't he just use his own persona to eradicate them? He didn't necessarily need Snake to find Big Boss. I always thought that was a poor attempt to give him some kind of character.

 

[Dark_Spidey]

Re: Metal Gear Solid V: The Phantom Pain

I meant how he came into control over the PMCs, the four that the B&B command over and are run by a single mother company Outer Heaven.

If I remember right, the Patriots wanted Ocelot to run them for them? I don't think they ever made it clear.

And how exactly does him being Liquid and using the PMCs to wage war do anything for his goal for eliminating them? He had GW, so why didn't he just use his own persona to eradicate them? He didn't necessarily need Snake to find Big Boss. I always thought that was a poor attempt to give him some kind of character.

One thing I know for sure, if you were to meet Kojima in the street and ask him to summarize the whole story for you, he certainly could not! ^^

 

[Snake Plissken]

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One thing I know for sure, if you were to meet Kojima in the street and ask him to summarize the whole story for you, he certainly could not! ^^

That's very apparent that he does not know the story, especially the way the story is going currently

 

[Dark_Spidey]

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One thing I can't remember, when did we first find out that Liquid was the superior one?

 

[Snake Plissken]

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One thing I can't remember, when did we first find out that Liquid was the superior one?

The very end of MGS1.

"The inferior one was the winner after all. ...That's right. Until the very end, Liquid thought he was the inferior one."

I don't understand the reasoning by pushing Liquid down mentally. What was the point? Unless it was a experiment by Para-Medic to see if Genes mean anything with a person's potential. At least that's what I always thought.

 

[Dark_Spidey]

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The very end of MGS1.

"The inferior one was the winner after all. ...That's right. Until the very end, Liquid thought he was the inferior one."

I don't understand the reasoning by pushing Liquid down mentally. What was the point? Unless it was a experiment by Para-Medic to see if Genes mean anything with a person's potential. At least that's what I always thought.

that was in TTS. Not MGS1 if I remember correctly

 

[Dark_Spidey]

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[ame]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JkqRENxckS0[/ame]

 

[Snake Plissken]

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It's essentially exactly the same.

"Yes. The inferior one was the winner after all. ...That's right. Until the very end, Liquid thought he was the inferior one. Yes, sir. I agree completely. It takes a well-balanced individual... such as yourself to rule the world. No, sir. No one knows that you were the third one... Solidus. ...What should I do about the
woman? Yes sir. I'll keep her under surveillance.

Yes. Thank you. Good-bye. Mr. President."

 

[Dark_Spidey]

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My bad.

In the vid I posted it was a different ending. I didn't remember that

I guess there were 2 different conversations depending on whether you saved Meryl or not