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[Solidus]

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Now "redefine" is a big word, all the essence and soul of MGS are still intact, Kojima has done nothing but to try new things with each game and so far I have almost no complains, both negative and positive reactions are expected, but there never was an "established canon", Kojima decides the path that the series will take, that is the canon, it was only logical that Big Boss look the lead lately since he's a deeper character than Solid, and the fact that I like that doesn't make me a newb, Tbh I don't know how Snake Plissken can say that BB's magic is gone without thinking the exact same thing about Solid Snake, but I respect his opinion, finally, to me it's clear that introducing the franchise to a younger audience is not his goal here, I don't see what can lead you to think that, in MGS2 that was the case though, yet, it's one of the most liked games of the franchise in this board.

Now, I know I'm not the oldest guy in the room, but I've vested like a freak into this series since the moment I 1st played it for the 1st time, nor that I will ever accept if Kojima ever gives feeds us ****, so, as long as everything he delivers is of top notch quality, then yes, count me among those who "jump for joy, surrendering their minds to anything that Kojima releases."


Yeah I was strictly speaking about looks.

Although in badassery MGS2 Snake is also way behind in my book.

The storylines for the MGS games from 1 to 4 follow directly from eachother, and are therefore the series canon, whether Kojima intended it to be that way or not. I have a lot of problems with Peace Walker - many of which I've mentioned before. Most notably, the issues of introducing AI systems that were too advanced for their time, and changing around the origins of REX by introducing Huey.

At the end of the day, Kojoma's free to do whatever he wants, since he created this series. I don't have to like it though .

 

[GasparZizou]

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Don't forget Raiden's inception. Kojima (for whatever the **** reason) decided to showcase a preview of MGS2 to a bunch of school kids for feedback. One feedback card noted that some stupid school girl hated games starring old men and that she would never buy it. This stupid girl's opinion broke his heart, thus, Raiden.

Man that was just pitiful, so sad it had to be that way, Raiden was one of the reasons MGS2 is my least favorite game of the franchise.

But you know how sensitive Japanese businessmen are about school girls

 

[GasparZizou]

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The storylines for the MGS games from 1 to 4 follow directly from eachother, and are therefore the series canon, whether Kojima intended it to be that way or not. I have a lot of problems with Peace Walker - many of which I've mentioned before. Most notably, the issues of introducing AI systems that were too advanced for their time, and changing around the origins of REX by introducing Huey.

At the end of the day, Kojoma's free to do whatever he wants, since he created this series. I don't have to like it though .

Well the series from 3-(po)-pw-V also come back to back, and since all of the games run on the same timeline, they're all canon, there's no such thing as "non-canon" in MGS other than Rising, and maybe PO since Kojima "said so".

EDIT: Oh yeah and MGS Acid wasn't cannon either, I like to think that Ghost Babel was canon but it's not considered that way.

Well the AIs were very primitive and were on the early stages in PW and set the ground for the future, I really don't think they were too advanced, plus Huey was just a tiny part in Rex's development, Rex protoypes go waaay before that.

No you don't have to like it I just like debating, I learn

 

[The Stig]

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The first several questions you'd have to answer for yourself. The last few questions are somewhat rhetorical and don't require any feedback from me .

Of course they were rhetorical. They were clearly a feeble attempt to point out flawed and pretentious logic.

 

[GasparZizou]

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Man I finally saw Escape from New York and it's sooo goood, pure 80's goodness, since the 1st scene between Hauk and Snake I could see Plissken is concentrated badass, I can see why boardie Snake Plissken's got that quote as signature lol.

I can totally see the homage that Solid Snake pays to SP, the looks, the way he talks and moves, damn, if it wasn't for the context of MGS it'd almost be a rip off, not that I'm complaining.

*Possible shallow spoiler:

That guy with the freaky hair is so creepy XD and the scene where Snake takes out a guy on the train from behind and takes an arrow to the knee then proceeds to tomahawk the **** out of the other thug, without making a sound despite the wound, damn, just damn.

And Brett from Alien is in it lol

 

[GasparZizou]

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*Escape from New York spoiler dumb joke.

Snake Plissken, taking arrows to the knee before it was cool.

Sorry, had to say it XD

 

[Solidus]

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Of course they were rhetorical. They were clearly a feeble attempt to point out flawed and pretentious logic.

Woah, we got a badass here. Someone clearly takes the Internet way too seriously .

 

[Solidus]

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Man I finally saw Escape from New York and it's sooo goood, pure 80's goodness, since the 1st scene between Hauk and Snake I could see Plissken is concentrated badass, I can see why boardie Snake Plissken's got that quote as signature lol.

I can totally see the homage that Solid Snake pays to SP, the looks, the way he talks and moves, damn, if it wasn't for the context of MGS it'd almost be a rip off, not that I'm complaining.

*Possible shallow spoiler:

That guy with the freaky hair is so creepy XD and the scene where Snake takes out a guy on the train from behind and takes an arrow to the knee then proceeds to tomahawk the **** out of the other thug, without making a sound despite the wound, damn, just damn.

It's great that you saw it. Escape from NY is one of my favorite movies from the 80s. The correlation between Solid Snake and Snake Plissken is definitely there. I wouldn't way that Snake from MGS is a complete rip-off, either. If anything, Kojima took inspiration from Plissken and created something extraordinary.

 

[GasparZizou]

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It's great that you saw it. Escape from NY is one of my favorite movies from the 80s. The correlation between Solid Snake and Snake Plissken is definitely there. I wouldn't way that Snake from MGS is a complete rip-off, either. If anything, Kojima took inspiration from Plissken and created something extraordinary.

Yeah I don't say it's a rip-off either, I'm just saying that without the context, on a superficial level, Solid Snake is almost a carbon copy, at the end they're very different but that what's meets the eye right away.

Now the mandatory question, is Escape from L.A. half as good?

 

[The Stig]

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Woah, we got a badass here. Someone clearly takes the Internet way too seriously .

Oh wow, a passive aggressive response when someone is called out on their BS. Haven't seen that before.

 

[Brandoloneous]

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I like how Ocelot is based off Lee Van Cleef and he's also in the movie.

 

[Solidus]

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Yeah I don't say it's a rip-off either, I'm just saying that without the context, on a superficial level, Solid Snake is almost a carbon copy, at the end they're very different but that what meets the eye right away.

Now the mandatory question, is Escape from L.A. half as good?

Yeah, I knew what you meant. I've met a few people here and there, who casually thought that Snake from MGS and Snake from "Escape From NY" were the same characters . Can't really blame them.

Escape from L.A. was more of an attempt to remake the first movie. I liked it when I saw it as a little kid in grade school. But, it did horribly in ratings, and if I remember correctly, the box office sales weren't that good, either. It's best you watch it and make up your own mind. Kurt Russell did a phenomenal job as Snake in both movies - that alone warrants seeing it if you have the chance.

 

[Solidus]

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I like how Ocelot is based off Lee Von Cleef and he's also in the movie.

That is just hilarious and awesome at the same time. I don't always agree with the direction that Kojima takes with his storylines, but the man knows how to pay homage to great movies and actors.

 

[GasparZizou]

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I like how Ocelot is based off Lee Von Cleef and he's also in the movie.

He is a badass too, and not a fool.

Yeah, I knew what you meant. I've met a few people here and there, who casually thought that Snake from MGS and Snake from "Escape From NY" were the same characters . Can't really blame them.

Escape from L.A. was more of an attempt to remake the first movie. I liked it when I saw it as a little kid in grade school. But, it did horribly in ratings, and if I remember correctly, the box office sales weren't that good, either. It's best you watch it and make up your own mind. Kurt Russell did a phenomenal job as Snake in both movies - that alone warrants seeing it if you have the chance.

Indeed it does, I'll be watching it soon.

Just now I did some research and I found out they're planning a remake, and the names up for playing Snake just didn't excite me, at all, I like Tom Hardy but I just don't think he's right for the part, nor I think the way they've been doing remakes lately is something to be excited about, there are a few exceptions though, like Dredd imo.

 

[Solidus]

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I don't think any of us here are really looking forward to that Escape from NY remake. As for Judge Dredd, I actually liked the old movie with Stallone . It had some pretty neat theme songs.

[ame]https://youtu.be/XwDGykrOOPg[/ame]

[ame]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T1WT7qfVYkM[/ame]

 

[GasparZizou]

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Yeah that's what I though haha.



Well it's Alan Silvestri, the guy is a genius.

I just didn't like Stallone as Dredd I think Karl Urban did a better job, he practically nailed it, but I thought it needed a little bit more of the comic's humour.

Wow that was off topic, sorry, main point is, EFNY is awesome.

-Hauk: We'd make a helluva team, Snake.
-SP: The name's Plissken.

That made me smile

 

[ZombieRepublican]

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I still hate the Hayter not returning thing. My mind is still full of **** with that. As others have stated, it's probably because we'll finally see the transition into the older Big Boss. If the remake of MG1 and MG2 does come next, no doubt Hayter will return one would hope.

There is only two reasons for David Hayter not returning.

1) Kojima wants to establish a different voice for BigBoss. Possibly a Solid Snake cameo (I like)

2) Someone in KojiPro is talking in his ear telling him Hayters VA is too cartoony and he will never return
To be fair i didn't like his VA in Peace Walker, it was way too forced. But i know he can inject realism back into it ala MGS1.

I do like that the game has a more serious tone, i cant stand the cartoony bull**** as of late. Just hire another VA director, don't fire Hayter!

He is a badass too, and not a fool.

Just now I did some research and I found out they're planning a remake, and the names up for playing Snake just didn't excite me, at all, I like Tom Hardy but I just don't think he's right for the part, nor I think the way they've been doing remakes lately is something to be excited about, there are a few exceptions though, like Dredd imo.

The Only person that can play Snake Pliskin now is clearly Josh Holloway. I thought he woulda had that in the bag. Instead the two biggest contenders are Jason Statham and Tom Hardy!????? WTH

 

[Snake Plissken]

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Badassery of looks: MGS 3 Naked Snake
Badassery of character: MGS 2 Solid Snake. The most in-control, tough, calm and collected of all the Snakes.

Solidus and Liquid: Love them both equaly. Liquid for his snarky, british sensibility (I always liked the fan theory, that Liquid was a homosexual, just like the actor Cam Clarke) and Solidus for his gruff, wolverine-esqe grittines (that's how Old Snake should have looked like in MGS4)

The only bad looking Snake: The post Peace Walker shaggy, Che Guevara look-alike Big Boss. And consequently the HT head sculpt

Someone definitely has their head on straight

I liked Naked Snake. But Snake in MGS2 was a grizzled veteran who was so cool and in control at all times, nothing he could not handle. Naked Snake never came across to me as capable

I like how Ocelot is based off Lee Van Cleef and he's also in the movie.

Yeah, I knew what you meant. I've met a few people here and there, who casually thought that Snake from MGS and Snake from "Escape From NY" were the same characters . Can't really blame them.

Escape from L.A. was more of an attempt to remake the first movie. I liked it when I saw it as a little kid in grade school. But, it did horribly in ratings, and if I remember correctly, the box office sales weren't that good, either. It's best you watch it and make up your own mind. Kurt Russell did a phenomenal job as Snake in both movies - that alone warrants seeing it if you have the chance.

Cleef is in my sig

I love the Escape series. Much was borrowed into the MGS series, especially the absolute rip off of how he inserts into LA with that torpedo thing which was used as the SDV in MGS1 which would be released only a couple years later.

 

[Snake Plissken]

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There is only two reasons for David Hayter not returning.

1) Kojima wants to establish a different voice for BigBoss. Possibly a Solid Snake cameo (I like)

2) Someone in KojiPro is talking in his ear telling him Hayters VA is too cartoony and he will never return
To be fair i didn't like his VA in Peace Walker, it was way too forced. But i know he can inject realism back into it ala MGS1.

I do like that the game has a more serious tone, i cant stand the cartoony bull**** as of late. Just hire another VA director, don't fire Hayter!

The Only person that can play Snake Pliskin now is clearly Josh Holloway. I thought he woulda had that in the bag. Instead the two biggest contenders are Jason Statham and Tom Hardy!????? WTH

I could see Josh doing it, I can definitely see a resemblance between him and young Kurt Russell.

I'm sorry, but someone like Statham who isn't American shouldn't play a All American character Russell said the same thing when Gerard Butler was in the running.

Tom Hardy couldn't pull it off at all, his stupid pillow lips bugs me and after seeing him as Bane I never want to see a movie he's in again.

Man I finally saw Escape from New York and it's sooo goood, pure 80's goodness, since the 1st scene between Hauk and Snake I could see Plissken is concentrated badass, I can see why boardie Snake Plissken's got that quote as signature lol.

I can totally see the homage that Solid Snake pays to SP, the looks, the way he talks and moves, damn, if it wasn't for the context of MGS it'd almost be a rip off, not that I'm complaining.

*Possible shallow spoiler:

That guy with the freaky hair is so creepy XD and the scene where Snake takes out a guy on the train from behind and takes an arrow to the knee then proceeds to tomahawk the **** out of the other thug, without making a sound despite the wound, damn, just damn.

And Brett from Alien is in it lol

You're ******* right

I'm surprised that the name "Snake Plissken" wasn't already in use when I signed up for this joint

Plissken is such a great gritty 80's character. Kojima took so many good bits of EFNY and Rambo to make Snake and it worked perfectly. I always loved SP's voice, it's based off Clint's but I still think he made it his own.

I always liked when he said this to Hauk before they deployed him to New York.

 

[TheProcrastinator]

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You'd make a good PR person for Konami. Kojima has always been interested in getting new gamers into the MGS bandwagon. He experimented a bit with Hamaru Gear in Peace Walker get more teenage girls into the series- which turned out to be a big flop, by the way.

The MGS games are what they are. At this point in time, it would have been better if Kojima had just moved onto another project and left the storyline of the series intact. But nope, MGS is the only viable franchise that Konami has, so the games will continue on with more retcons to follow, that negates the plots in the other games.

There are still too many juicy parts of the storyline untouched. V deals with one of them. There's just too much potential awesomness to be put into this game, to simply dismiss it as unnecessary, especially since so far all the shown elements and tidbits were intriguing at least. V stands in a very nice position of telling what could be one of the most interesting chapters of Big Boss Story, while at the same time start more seriously referencing the stuff and characters we know from the Solid Snake Era. There's just too much potential here, and the fact that Kojima apparently treats this game as another next-gen level production (unlike Peace Walker which only pretended to be a fully grown MGS title) only makes it better.

I really can't see how such a big passion project as V could be bad for the franchise. Sure, some elements of it might suck, a few retcons might anger
some of the players, but overall I am sure the whole new storyline, characters and themes, would only help to boost the franchise further.

Also so far there are no sings of "milking a dead cash cow". All the elements shown to date fit very nicely into the MGS mythos, reference stuff we allready know and like, seem intriguing and look like they could form the most interesting MGS plotline in years. So far there hasn't been any "teenage girl bait" elements to speak of. As I said before, every single "major" MGS game was the effect of Kojima's thinking outside the box, and in this regard, what he is doing with V is no different to what he was doing with Sons of Liberty, or Snake Eater.

Kojima made "Wings of Liberty" by the way? I wasn't aware that he was Korean.

Right Silly mistake. Too much SC2 recently.