Media Metal Gear Solid V: The Phantom Pain & Ground Zeroes

[Snake Plissken]

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Also it's complete BS that they wanted to use a new VA for MGSV to try and 'revamp' the series and distinguish between BB & SS. As many people have already said, they've kept the same j-a-p VA for BB.

It's just a brush off method they've used to try and soften the blow from the fans outcry over David

It's one thing if he was started with a completely different VA in MGS3, but he wasn't. Too little too late.

 

[The Stig]

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Man so many people nit-picking about being #1 or on the side of BB or SS. If you don't like one or the other and another person does, so what? Everyone is trying to prove someone wrong when there is no wrong or right. Just circumstance.

I think what a lot of you are failing to see and from that are calling out a lot of members on the boards here, is that everyone who replies to BB related posts stressing that they are fed up with BB are not necessarily bad talking the man himself, just the way he's being milked and made uninteresting by Kojima.

I see a lot of people complain about the people who say they prefer SS and go into some self righteous speech about how SS is just a clone from BB and that he was just a pawn that got used blah blah yawn.

The only sound game to come out with BB is MGS3, in which he was used by everyone around him, just like SS. So there's no need to get your your high horse and force your opinions onto someone else. Maybe you think PW is good, that's fine if you want to think that way. In terms of the history and story line of the series some of the things that happen and are possible in PW make it terrible. If you want to overlook these facts or you happen to like them, that's also fine but it doesn't mean that it wasn't lame and un-needed.

At the end of the day you cant expect OG fans of the series, whose initial like of the franchise is based on the early games, to not be upset by what they have done to the series. For better or for worse is in the eyes of the beholder

That's all fine and dandy, but the problem actually starts when those on one side of the argument begin making definitive remarks about those who don't share the same opinion. I am personally looking forward to seeing another chapter in the BB story line, but I don't begin to make judgements about those who do not agree. I don't make broad generalizations about how they must all be new fans of the series, COD players, or slaves to anything that Kojima puts out. Those are all clearly judgmental comments about those who do not agree, and they only attempt to serve to belittle those same people.

What's ironic is that the same people who have been making such comments are most likely going to agree with your post. They will hide behind comments like "these are just our opinions, quit trolling" and things of that nature. However, they will continue to fail to see the hypocrisy of their comments. You can't stand behind the opinion banner and then begin to judge those who don't share your same opinion. It's completely ignorant behavior.

 

[Snake Plissken]

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That's all fine and dandy, but the problem actually starts when those on one side of the argument begin making definitive remarks about those who don't share the same opinion. I am personally looking forward to seeing another chapter in the BB story line, but I don't begin to make judgements about those who do not agree. I don't make broad generalizations about how they must all be new fans of the series, COD players, or slaves to anything that Kojima puts out. Those are all clearly judgmental comments about those who do not agree, and they only attempt to serve to belittle those same people.

What's ironic is that the same people who have been making such comments are most likely going to agree with your post. They will hide behind comments like "these are just our opinions, quit trolling" and things of that nature. However, they will continue to fail to see the hypocrisy of their comments. You can't stand behind the opinion banner and then begin to judge those who don't share your same opinion. It's completely ignorant behavior.

90% are always behind him not matter what it is, it's a fact.

And why are you trying to rip open old wounds? Everything is civil in here, all our sides are known. No reason to start another argument.

 

[The Stig]

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90% are always behind him not matter what it is, it's a fact.

And why are you trying to rip open old wounds? Everything is civil in here, all our sides are known. No reason to start another argument.

I promise I wasn't trying to start another argument. I was simply pointing out another perspective in case it was overlooked. It happens more often than I'd like to see. I only used previous examples of certain comments to illustrate my point, not to fan the flames.

As for your first point, I don't doubt there are a lot of "loyal" Kojima fans (I personally don't think loyalty has a place in art or literature). I just don't agree that anyone and everyone who is looking forward to the next game can simply be lumped into that same group.

EDIT: And you're right, Plissken. I've said what I've had to say on the matter, and if it happens again there isn't much I can do. It's obvious that continuing to point it out won't change anything if it hasn't by this point. I will do my best to refrain from highlighting certain comments from here on out.

 

[Snake Plissken]

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I promise I wasn't trying to start another argument. I was simply pointing out another perspective in case it was overlooked. It happens more often than I'd like to see. I only used previous examples of certain comments to illustrate my point, not to fan the flames.

As for your first point, I don't doubt there are a lot of "loyal" Kojima fans (I personally don't think loyalty has a place in art or literature). I just don't agree that anyone and everyone who is looking forward to the next game can simply be lumped into that same group.

EDIT: And you're right, Plissken. I've said what I've had to say on the matter, and if it happens again there isn't much I can do. It's obvious that continuing to point it out won't change anything if it hasn't by this point. I will do my best to refrain from highlighting certain comments from here on out.

I've seen the error in my ways and I've made a conscious effort to not so easily pass judgment on others, but I think that came from my frustration of what Kojima has been doing lately. I just try to do my best to avoid arguments on here anymore since all they do is cause aggrivation for both parties with no outcome.

I've beaten this horse already, but if you want to see the regular, blind following none thinking MGS fans just look at their many facebook pages for MGS.

They get into the same arguments we do about SS and BB as the stars and how they prefer one over the other. I think we can safely say that some here are the same way but don't necessarily hate the other character.

I guess we kind of gotten comfortable with the idea that just about every main title has a different star, but this time around it's been 4 straight aside from SS in MGS4.

I want to play GZ/TPP, hopefully it will redeem the franchise since I personally think MPO and PW was just filler. I don't think main titles should of ever been ported to PSP. It kills story telling, maybe that's why I looked at them so harshly.

 

[The Stig]

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I'll admit that I haven't visited any of the Facebook pages. So I can only take your word on how bad the arguments and ignorance must be. If it's as bad you say it is, then it's probably best if I just avoid them altogether. I can at least understand where someone's animosity towards another's stance might come from after visiting such a place.

I agree that they shouldn't have made a main title exclusive to a portable console. It was either a feeble attempt to move portable units or some bad oversight of the install base in players homes.

 

[Jack D]

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I've seen the error in my ways and I've made a conscious effort to not so easily pass judgment on others, but I think that came from my frustration of what Kojima has been doing lately. I just try to do my best to avoid arguments on here anymore since all they do is cause aggrivation for both parties with no outcome.

good post man, people should take that as an example. I stopped trying to argue with people a long time ago, at the end of it, nobody ever really changes their mind and all it does is cause bad blood.

 

[Jameson Rook]

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With this David Hayter issue and the uncertainty of what the final platform would be, a clash of opinions is certainly welcomed actually. Discussions of how awesome the FOX engine isn't exactly an exiting topic anyways. Otherwise, this thread would be:

[ame="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eJ2j8yxu-rc"]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eJ2j8yxu-rc[/ame]

 

[Solidus]

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I promise I wasn't trying to start another argument. I was simply pointing out another perspective in case it was overlooked. It happens more often than I'd like to see. I only used previous examples of certain comments to illustrate my point, not to fan the flames.

As for your first point, I don't doubt there are a lot of "loyal" Kojima fans (I personally don't think loyalty has a place in art or literature). I just don't agree that anyone and everyone who is looking forward to the next game can simply be lumped into that same group.

EDIT: And you're right, Plissken. I've said what I've had to say on the matter, and if it happens again there isn't much I can do. It's obvious that continuing to point it out won't change anything if it hasn't by this point. I will do my best to refrain from highlighting certain comments from here on out.

The thing is, that you're always initiating arguments. You take generalizations personally, and then go on a whole diatribe against the other person. I'm not going to apologize for having a difference of opinion. I never once claimed that what I stated was right; it was simply an observation from general fan behavior around the net that I noticed.

But, if you're always that sensitive, then perhaps you shouldn't be posting online in the first place, if it makes you that upset.

Not looking to start anything, okay?

 

[Snake Plissken]

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I'll admit that I haven't visited any of the Facebook pages. So I can only take your word on how bad the arguments and ignorance must be. If it's as bad you say it is, then it's probably best if I just avoid them altogether. I can at least understand where someone's animosity towards another's stance might come from after visiting such a place.

I agree that they shouldn't have made a main title exclusive to a portable console. It was either a feeble attempt to move portable units or some bad oversight of the install base in players homes.

I'm putting mildy at best, it's a cesspool and reminds me a lot of Gamefaqs message boards

I only keep tabs for news on the series in all honesty.

good post man, people should take that as an example. I stopped trying to argue with people a long time ago, at the end of it, nobody ever really changes their mind and all it does is cause bad blood.

The path of least resistance is the right one, especially on message boards. Unless I'm outright provoked, don't expect any nonsense out of me, it's just not worth it. But yeah, were all bull headed around here and we never budge from our stance

With this David Hayter issue and the uncertainty of what the final platform would be, a clash of opinions is certainly welcomed actually. Discussions of how awesome the FOX engine isn't exactly and exiting topic anyways. Otherwise, this thread would be:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eJ2j8yxu-rc

FOX definitely is beautiful, but the Hayter thing has put a curse on the game for most fans

 

[Solidus]

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I'm putting mildy at best, it's a cesspool and reminds me a lot of Gamefaqs message boards

I only keep tabs for news on the series in all honesty.

Gamefaqs and Facebook are the absolute worst. Just a bunch of prepubescent kids there. Thankfully, I don't have a Facebook account anymore or I would have been tempted to post .

 

[Snake Plissken]

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The thing is, that you're always initiating arguments. You take generalizations personally, and then go on a whole distribe against the other person. I'm not going to apologize for having a difference of opinion. I never once claimed that what I stated was right; it was simply an observation from general fan behavior around the net that I noticed.

But, if you're always that sensitive, then perhaps you shouldn't be posting online in the first place, if it makes you that upset.

Not looking to start anything, okay?

 

[Snake Plissken]

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Gamefaqs and Facebook are the absolute worst. Just a bunch of prepubescent kids there. Thankfully, I don't have a Facebook account anymore or I would have been tempted to post .

I hate having a FB account

And I did post... it was not pretty

 

[Brandoloneous]

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Gamefaqs and Facebook are the absolute worst. Just a bunch of prepubescent kids there. Thankfully, I don't have a Facebook account anymore or I would have been tempted to post .

The benefits of being on a board like this is that since it's meant for expensive collectibles, adults should be the only ones around. Well, adults and "adults."

 

[Snake Plissken]

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The benefits of being on a board like this is that since it's meant for expensive collectibles, adults should be the only ones around. Well, adults and "adults."

You got that right. There is a big difference between a physical adult and acting like one.

 

[Brandoloneous]

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You got that right. There is a big difference between a physical adult and acting like one.

I roll my eyes when "adults" on here, typically in the Marvel and DC forums, constantly complain and exclaim they can't wait for an overpriced action figure

Then there's the whole Ada Wong thing...

 

[Snake Plissken]

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I roll my eyes when "adults" on here, typically in the Marvel and DC forums, constantly complain and exclaim they can't wait for an overpriced action figure

Then there's the whole Ada Wong thing...

DC isn't that bad at least from my experience. Marvel is nothing but Iron Man zombies.

The Ada thread had nothing but people that had no business commenting on it whatsoever.

 

[Solidus]

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The benefits of being on a board like this is that since it's meant for expensive collectibles, adults should be the only ones around. Well, adults and "adults."

Most definitely. In addition, I think that one of the best boards for discussion is actually the PSU forum. Most of the people there don't collect, and it has its trolls, but the regulars there are extremely knowledgeable on the series and you can get some pretty interesting discussions started. Which reminds, I haven't been there in a while....

 

[GasparZizou]

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I think I'm an "adult", I hope I never have to grow up!

I do have a facebook account, mainly to keep in touch with friends and family but you guys are right, it's often painful to read all the nonsense coming from everywhere, plus everybody posting pseudo left-wing socialist political crap (At least it's a trend in my country) and other kinds of things, it's exhausting.

And when it comes to games and collectibles it all sums up to "Oh my gawd this is the sickest epic-estest game evah, can't wait".

So, that much I agree with that.

 

[Solidus]

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I roll my eyes when "adults" on here, typically in the Marvel and DC forums, constantly complain and exclaim they can't wait for an overpriced action figure

Then there's the whole Ada Wong thing...

DC isn't that bad at least from my experience. Marvel is nothing but Iron Man zombies.

The Ada thread had nothing but people that had no business commenting on it whatsoever.

Do you guys remember this thread?

https://www.sideshowcollectors.com/forums/showthread.php?t=118013

I still visit there once in a while to reread the posts and get a good laugh. Lots of funny gif comments .