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I don't really mind the advanced Metal Gears of Peace Walker because I just retcon them out of my head as necessary components for there to be a fun game.
To be honest, my opinion is the same. Kojima has never been a masterful writer, and most of the poetic nuances of his writing get completely lost in translation due to the fickleness of translating Japanese. In this regard, I can live with all the prequel's crazy tech since most of the time, it's the good balance of gameplay and story I tend to look at rather than the trivial details of how everything is meant to fit together aesthetically. It's why I find that MGS4 hasn't aged well for me since the overall game design felt really narrow in scope, especially compared to how it was initially hyped up.

Funny thing is, I actually don't mind the design of the new Metal Gear (it looks insanely awesome in a Metal Gear Rising sort of way), rather I just wish that Kojima would drop the pretense of trying to go for a "serious" game and then go back on it by trying pull off some crazy stuff.

I think it's pretty clear how much I love the Metal Gear Solid series, but I always loved it in spite of the deplorable elements.

Don't we all.
 
I didn't look at the spoiler, but I'm guessing from the above comments, it is relying heavily on Peace Walker. I still think it's an incredible achievement for the PSP, but I was hoping it would just carry over the bare minimum. I was worried when I saw the mammal pod in the trailer, but I was trying to be optimistic—I still have hope! Maybe it would have been better to make a true MGS sequel, since I thought MGS2 was more of a existential experience, and he could close the series off with a final prophetic political mouth piece.

I was going through the games in preparation, and I really wasn't enjoying 2. It's a great game, but since I've already got it's message, I'm kind of left with a pretty dull environment with a lot of backtracking. Story-wise and gameplay-wise, the Tanker is amazing, but the Plant doesn't have much depth to the environment or gameplay, and there's a lot of cheesy dialog and melodrama. I remembered that things only pick up when Solid Snake is around, and even though I was playing on extreme, I got to bored to continue playing half-way though. When I came to this board, I originally said that MGS2 was my second favorite game of all time right under MGS3, and I can't really say that anymore.

I originally thought that Metal Gear Solid 2 was Kojima’s platform to advise fans to stop nerding out over the details, and to appreciate life as best as they can. He flat out tells players to turn off the darn console and get our butts outside! Of course, it's a terrible philosophy for artists since they should strive for quality work, but it's great for consumers. Raiden was there to tease players that they aren’t going to ever be as amazing as a guy as Solid Snake if they continue having such a myopic opinion on life. That’s why we get to play with such a dull atmosphere in comparison to the incredible tanker level. It’s why we slip on bird poop, we constantly whine through Raiden, we are forced to cartwheel naked, and we are humbled in seeing Solid Snake perform our tasks in much more efficient methods than we are able to. I thought Kojima’s point is how our expectations are destroying our appreciation of life is no better exemplified than in the conversation with Rose about Raiden and her first date. Raiden becomes attracted to her because of an argument about a plot discrepancy of an old movie. Then what do they do? They don’t go out on some romantic date, or do anything exciting. They spend all night re-watching the movie all the way through the morning. Kojima was basically ripping apart nerds obsessiveness and expectations (using relationships). It takes a horrible event for Raiden to finally deconstruct and reconsider his life. All that VR training (video game playing) didn’t add anything of value to his life, and he nearly gives up hope until Solid Snake gives that uplifting speech about appreciate life’s beauty.

I'm not sure if I feel that way anymore, but that's probably because I played it five times. Then again, there’s some other stuff about that game that I never understood, like why we needed to know of Otacon’s affair with Emma’s mom. I don't know, but I have to take back what I said awhile back. While I don't enjoy the backtracking or the controls and cheesiness (which, to be fair, MGS3 has it's melodrama), I definitely like MGS better than MGS2. Don't get me wrong, MGS2 is still a great game, but I just had a change of opinion.

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Metal Gear Solid V: The Phantom Pain & Ground Zeroes

Thanks pturtle!

I wish Kojima had the ability to make a MGS movie, so it wouldn't have to revolve around video game conventions. Story is always sacrificed in video games, because....they are games. It's why they are considered very low-brow in terms of story-telling. Heck, I would love a "12 Angry Men" style movie with the Patriots debating their philosophies for an hour. It would be an abysmal video game though!

I don't really mind the advanced Metal Gears of Peace Walker because I just retcon them out of my head as necessary components for there to be a fun game. Same thing with Snake running around to get rations, a single gun, or cold medicine behind highly secured doors in MGS1. Although I don't know how to reconcile with the design for the heating and cooling card key. I most definitely the "R1" scenes for Big Boss to stare at Eva in MGS3. There are much more subtle ways to show he was introverted in my opinion. That's one thing I hate in all the MGS games, and found it hilarious that Quiet's design was so shocking to fans, but not all the pornography that was all around MGS2 and MGS4 for no good reason. I think it's pretty clear how much I love the Metal Gear Solid series, but I always loved it in spite of the deplorable elements.

A 12 Angry Man style Metal gear movie revolving around the ideals of the Patriots would be awesome, I'd even settle for a book about that.

Same here regarding the tech, at the end of the day I realize this is just a game, those minor inconsistencies don't bother me at all, if this were a movie then that would probably bother me. I'm not one to care much about continuity, as long as each game is made as best it can be made, which is something Kojima tries to do, I mean, the FoX-Men movies are my favorite superhero movies out there, and the continuity in those films are pretty much nonexistent at this point :lol

The Quiet design never bothered me, it's amazing how many white knights there are on the internet these days, more men were upset about her look than women were :lol and like you said, the Metal Gear series has tons of it throughout the series. As far as I'm concerned, Rockstar Games and Kojipro/Konami are/were the last of the devs that actually make they games they want without catering to the feminists out there.
 
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Lengthy posts are generally asking for lengthy answers, so that's why I rarely pay attention to them.

In any case, all of the spoilers have already been posted on the net, and someone even posted them on Steam forums of all places. If you ever needed to go dark for TPP, now is the time...
 
I wish Kojima had the ability to make a MGS movie, so it wouldn't have to revolve around video game conventions. Story is always sacrificed in video games, because....they are games. It's why they are considered very low-brow in terms of story-telling.
I disagree here a bit, I don't think story is affected by gameplay, gameplay is another tool and can be used to tell a story as well, games are considered low-brow because those who are leaders of opinion on the matter simply don't know about games, like Roger Ebert, ****er did a lot of damage to the reputation of videogames by speaking out of his ass, like film critics often do.

Heck, I would love a "12 Angry Men" style movie with the Patriots debating their philosophies for an hour. It would be an abysmal video game though!
A 12 Angry Man style Metal gear movie revolving around the ideals of the Patriots would be awesome.
That does sound ridiculously good, but it would need tremendous writing.

One of my favorite scenes in Jurassic Park is the dinner table scene where they debate the implications of genetics.

But the videogame movie scene has never looked good at all, not even close to the quality needed to pull off something like that, funny enough, videogame movies focus on the gameplay and not the story of the games :lol
 
I disagree here a bit, I don't think story is affected by gameplay, gameplay is another tool and can be used to tell a story as well, games are considered low-brow because those who are leaders of opinion on the matter simply don't know about games, like Roger Ebert, ****er did a lot of damage to the reputation of videogames by speaking out of his ass, like film critics often do.



That does sound ridiculously good, but it would need tremendous writing.

One of my favorite scenes in Jurassic Park is the dinner table scene where they debate the implications of genetics.

But the videogame movie scene has never looked good at all, not even close to the quality needed to pull off something like that, funny enough, videogame movies focus on the gameplay and not the story of the games :lol

I'm not really a fan of Naughty Dawg these days, but I think they, along with Rockstar games are the closest to delivering high quality storytelling without sacrificing gameplay.

The only way I see a 12 Angry Men style Metal Gear game getting made is if it's done similarly to what Telltale has done with the Walking Dead games.
 
We should make like an embargo in this place, since every other place on the interwebz is a spoiler mine field, we should all just agree to not post any spoilers at all in this thread and other MGS threads in SSC until the game drops, maybe even a week or 2 after as a courtesy so people don't have to leave the threads.

So this becomes our safe haven in case he just want talk about the game but not get anything ruined for us.

That's a suggestion I offer.
 
We should make like an embargo in this place, since every other place on the interwebz is a spoiler mine field, we should all just agree to not post any spoilers at all in this thread and other MGS threads in SSC until the game drops, maybe even a week or 2 after as a courtesy so people don't have to leave the threads.

So this becomes our safe haven in case he just want talk about the game but not get anything ruined for us.

That's a suggestion I offer.

Should we have a desperate thread for spoilers? That was very hard resisting that spoiler image a few pages back haha
 
Should we have a desperate thread for spoilers? That was very hard resisting that spoiler image a few pages back haha
I know, it's hard as **** to resist.

Well, my suggestion is that there aren't spoilers of any kind posted or discussed here until the game drops at least, merely as a courtesy to those who don't want to abandon threads every time a game or movie is going to come out (given how common sense indicates we must go completely off the grid every new release date), so that there aren't any temptations to begin with, since we're so weak willed.

A spoiler thread would kinda defeat that purpose completely, after all, there are spoiler tags for that.
 
I figured out who the Arkham Knight was based on reviews and reactions but everything else I pretty much dodged.
 
We should make like an embargo in this place, since every other place on the interwebz is a spoiler mine field, we should all just agree to not post any spoilers at all in this thread and other MGS threads in SSC until the game drops, maybe even a week or 2 after as a courtesy so people don't have to leave the threads.

So this becomes our safe haven in case he just want talk about the game but not get anything ruined for us.

That's a suggestion I offer.
Probably, yeah. :lecture probably the same for collectibles since we almost had an incident, and the general dicussion thread.
 
We should make like an embargo in this place, since every other place on the interwebz is a spoiler mine field, we should all just agree to not post any spoilers at all in this thread and other MGS threads in SSC until the game drops, maybe even a week or 2 after as a courtesy so people don't have to leave the threads.

So this becomes our safe haven in case he just want talk about the game but not get anything ruined for us.

That's a suggestion I offer.

This place isn't safe man. Remember that fake account troll? Who when they'll return of what they'll post.

And yeah, what am I still doing here? :slap

See you.. ALL of you.
 
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