Media Metal Gear Solid V: The Phantom Pain & Ground Zeroes

[Henry Morgan*]

I don't think it should be closed, maybe a disclaimer should be added saying by entering the thread you will be open to being ganged on or possible 'heated debates'

Hopefully MGSV next year then a huge huge wait for an MGS6, maybe 15 years?

Metal Gear: The Boss

I can hope

 

[Cap'n Cook]

June 2015 at the earliest.

 

[GasparZizou]

It would be nice if this thread can get closed until TPP's release next year. But, I think it's likely that the game will get delayed, because Kojima hardly adheres to his own release schedules.

In the past I would have disagreed with you, but now I'm with you, close it, and close the BvsS thread while they're at it

 

[GasparZizou]

Metal Gear: The Boss

I can hope

If only, no radar, not crazy gadgets, pure stealth.

 

[Jackhepburn]

I thinl exploding Chico would have actually gotten more attention, but because of his age. Then an exploding little girl would be the next step of bad.

 

[GasparZizou]

I thinl exploding Chico would have actually gotten more attention, but because of his age. Then an exploding little girl would be the next step of bad.

I doubt it, so far no one has even mentioned Chico's suffering from having to rape Paz.

 

[Dylan]

If you want we can discuss that topic, I listen.

I don't like Anita Sarkessian view on most things, I largely disagree with her cause she sometimes sees misogyny where there's none, I have agreed with her some times, albeit very rarely, and I disagreed with one of the articles of that IGN girl, I've never read any other of her articles 2 isolated yet related cases, yet you immediately threw claims about me hating women who have opposite opinions to mine, which is far from the truth, in fact one of my favorite if not the favorite reviewer is a girl, CBG19, and I love to see well written female characters, leads or not.

The subject matter remains, that if it was Chico the one that exploded, the issue would have not arose so much attention.

Well my friend I never mentioned you in-particular until you replied and in my very first comment I was repeating what Henry already said so if anyone should have been offended it should have been him. But I dont wish to discus the matter of sexism in this thread. People have died in here for much smaller debates than that.

 

[Henry Morgan*]

We were both talking about it and the least we expected is... an exaggeration like that.. you don't even trully know why we think like that anyway, what we have seen and heard for us to think that way, but anyway its over

I doubt it, so far no one has even mentioned Chico's suffering from having to rape Paz.

Its really all about Paz, Chico can't even walk and no one cares I don't care about any of them but just saying...

 

[ZombieRepublican]

I actually thought it was ashame Paz died. All the characters in Peace Walker annoyed me, but Paz was well written and fleshed out in GroundZeroes via the tapes. As soon as she became interesting they kill her off.

I also agree with Kiva & Dylan, what they did to her was indeed overkill. The beatings and bomb was enough. But Beaten, raped, then tortured and raped by Chico, then a second bob implanted. I mean damn, really though?
But i do get that they are setting the tone for the rest of the game. Maybe it was abit cheap how its implemented here but we gotta wait for TTP to see how tastefully or not its implemented there.

 

[GasparZizou]

Well my friend I never mentioned you in-particular until you replied and in my very first comment I was repeating what Henry already said so if anyone should have been offended it should have been him. But I dont wish to discus the matter of sexism in this thread. People have died in here for much smaller debates than that.

Ok then.

It seems that it was all big misunderstanding, my 1st comment you replied to was not directed at you, we've all at some point said "ugh this thread" and we keep coming back.

Moving one then.

 

[Henry Morgan*]

I actually thought it was ashame Paz died. All the characters in Peace Walker annoyed me, but Paz was well written and fleshed out in GroundZeroes via the tapes. As soon as she became interesting they kill her off.

I also agree with Kiva & Dylan, what they did to her was indeed overkill. The beatings and bomb was enough. But Beaten, raped, then tortured and raped by Chico, then a second bob implanted. I mean damn, really though?
But i do get that they are setting the tone for the rest of the game. Maybe it was abit cheap how its implemented here but we gotta wait for TTP to see how tastefully or not its implemented there.

I think it mostly feels cheap for some people because it was short and not over-elaborated, it was mostly short tapes, imagine if this was a movie...

 

[GasparZizou]

I actually thought it was ashame Paz died. All the characters in Peace Walker annoyed me, but Paz was well written and fleshed out in GroundZeroes via the tapes. As soon as she became interesting they kill her off.
.

Yeah, she was a good character, double spy, resourceful at a young age, and she was about to be redeemed, it's indeed a shame now that I think about it.

I didn't care much for Chico in PW, he was a pain in the butt, but I kinda like him now, he's not as annoying, and the voice acting helps a lot.

 

[Solidus]

I think it mostly feels cheap for some people because it was short and not over-elaborated, it was mostly short tapes, imagine if this was a movie...

I think because of the subject matter with rape and torture, it can't be added into a movie. Kojima would never be able to get away with that - from the censors or even his fans.

But, I did feel like GZ was too short of an experience. I would have welcomed a few more cut-scenes - perhaps one with Big Boss and Kaz walking around Mother Base and discussing the mission parameters (like a calm before the storm).

 

[GasparZizou]

But, I did feel like GZ was too short of an experience. I would have welcomed a few more cut-scenes - perhaps one with Big Boss and Kaz walking around Mother Base and discussing the mission parameters (like a calm before the storm).

Walking through the barracks, the hangars, maybe a shot where they show a bit of some Zeke's leg or other MG blueprint or something, after all, that's what they were trying to hide, that would have been good.

The story was kind of rushed, I mean, it's a prologue, and as a prologue it's ok, but it doesn't feel like Kojima went the extra mile as far as how much story he could have added to this.

 

[Henry Morgan*]

I think because of the subject matter with rape and torture, it can't be added into a movie. Kojima would never be able to get away with that - from the censors or even his fans.

But, I did feel like GZ was too short of an experience. I would have welcomed a few more cut-scenes - perhaps one with Big Boss and Kaz walking around Mother Base and discussing the mission parameters (like a calm before the storm).

I assume you never watched "Precious" don't watch it its gross and pointless.

It will make people talk yes, but that doesn't mean its going to ruin the experiecne of the game imho. I bet that cutscene would be there if GZ was planned from the start

Walking through the barracks, the hangars, maybe a shot where they show a bit of some Zeke's leg or other MG blueprint or something, after all, that's what they were trying to hide, that would have been good.

The story was kind of rushed, I mean, it's a prologue, and as a prologue it's ok, but it doesn't feel like Kojima went the extra mile as far as how much story he could have added to this.

Thats one of the things that I'm really looking forward to in TPP walking around the Outer Heaven like a boss

 

[Solidus]

Walking through the barracks, the hangars, maybe a shot where they show a bit of some Zeke's leg or other MG blueprint or something, after all, that's what they were trying to hide, that would have been good.

The story was kind of rushed, I mean, it's a prologue, and as a prologue it's ok, but it doesn't feel like Kojima went the extra mile as far as how much story he could have added to this.

Agreed. And do you remember that MSF soldier who got shot in the face near the chopper? They could have shown him in a cut-scene, given him a name, and have him help out Big Boss and Kaz with something. It would have really added more to the ending. I guess it goes back to my point in how I felt that Mother Base was practically an afterthought in this game compared to other themes. Kojima could have done so much more, by just going an extra mile to flesh things out just a bit more.

 

[Dylan]

Can I just say that it bothers me that next to none of the guns in GZ are accurate and most are not even real guns. Its usually not that big of a deal in games but after how amazing MGS4 was about that its sort of disappointing to me.

 

[Henry Morgan*]

I know... they look like weapons from the time, the names aren't real either they don't ring a bell with me

 

[Dylan]

I have no idea what an AM Rifle type 69 is but the Marine Corps has never used it or had it as their standard issue rifle.

 

[Solidus]

Can I just say that it bothers me that next to none of the guns in GZ are accurate and most are not even real guns. Its usually not that big of a deal in games but after how amazing MGS4 was about that its sort of disappointing to me.

I never even realized that there were fantasy guns in this game. MGS 4 did have a few (like the Solar Gun), but it was more for novelty than anything else.