Official 1/6th Darth Vader Thread

[Amanaman]

SW '77 (before it was called ANH) was a standalone movie. Ben wasn't a liar, and Darth and Luke's father were different people. Ben's awkward explanation in ROTJ was a necessary retcon to support the "I am your father" twist in ESB. So, even back then, the story could have gone in any direction! GL never had some grand, unchanging vision.

 

[Broccoli Shrapnel]

I guess I'll weigh in on the derailment:

I'm for people viewing SW as they want: ANH as stand alone, the OT as a complete work, or the PT + OT as a complete work (+EU if you like).

Though Anakin's conversion is a bit abrupt, it does make sense if you look at the context (which is what Lucas should have focused on). Here's this "hero" who needs to make life-affecting decisions everyday on the battle lines. You can imagine a hypothetical general having to deal with the moral issue of whether to save the schoolhouse and risk sacrificing the whole town. Lucas' ROTS Anakin is too streamlined to give him an adequate context. We see him upset about Padme, next swearing allegiance to Palpatine, next killing younglings. What Lucas needed to do was set this up better in Episode II. If a "hero" constantly must quantify life and view saving planets as "objectives," then the kind of moral relativism that Anakin falls into makes perfect sense when it results in him believing in an all-powerful dictator. If all your "heroics" still don't save people who can't save themselves, one would feel compelled to act selfishly in only caring about his/her spouse. Anakin's war-time experiences push him into a place where the only things that make sense are fighting for the things (Padme, their child) he cares about and an absolute power to end suffering. I think the ROTS novelization gets at this a lot better. It's a shame that Lucas makes Anakin's conversion so abrupt. But, symbolically, he does retain the overall point that good people can become evil for all the seemingly right reasons.

*returns to lurking*

 

[lerath666]

I guess I'll weigh in on the derailment:

I'm for people viewing SW as they want: ANH as stand alone, the OT as a complete work, or the PT + OT as a complete work (+EU if you like).

Though Anakin's conversion is a bit abrupt, it does make sense if you look at the context (which is what Lucas should have focused on). Here's this "hero" who needs to make life-affecting decisions everyday on the battle lines. You can imagine a hypothetical general having to deal with the moral issue of whether to save the schoolhouse and risk sacrificing the whole town. Lucas' ROTS Anakin is too streamlined to give him an adequate context. We see him upset about Padme, next swearing allegiance to Palpatine, next killing younglings. What Lucas needed to do was set this up better in Episode II. If a "hero" constantly must quantify life and view saving planets as "objectives," then the kind of moral relativism that Anakin falls into makes perfect sense when it results in him believing in an all-powerful dictator. If all your "heroics" still don't save people who can't save themselves, one would feel compelled to act selfishly in only caring about his/her spouse. Anakin's war-time experiences push him into a place where the only things that make sense are fighting for the things (Padme, their child) he cares about and an absolute power to end suffering. I think the ROTS novelization gets at this a lot better. It's a shame that Lucas makes Anakin's conversion so abrupt. But, symbolically, he does retain the overall point that good people can become evil for all the seemingly right reasons.

*returns to lurking*

Someone else gets it.
another thing that should probobly be considered is the fact thatAnakins conversion happens in stages. He's manipulated by Palpatine, pushed and prodded by events he feels are out of his controll. He dosn't go over to the darkside for a chick, Padme is simply the straw that breaks the Camels back.

 

[jedibear]

Okay folks....time to get this thread sorta back on track....

It's been an interesting conversation on Lord Lucas er, Vader, but let's get back to the figure we all hope makes it's appearance soon...

 

[jkno]

Vader needs an Interrogator droid. I have the Hasbro 12" one but I'd like SS to make a better one.

 

[lerath666]

i'll admit, i'm more than a little suprised that sideshow did not do one for vader.

 

[jedibear]

Indeed. For this ANH version. I was hoping that would have been the exclusive.

 

[lerath666]

I'd rather it have been a regular acessory, i think they picked the exclusive just fine.

 

[Puay]

i'll admit, i'm more than a little suprised that sideshow did not do one for vader.

Together with the Mouse Droid, Sideshow could release a Death Star Droids expansion pack.

 

[jkno]

Together with the Mouse Droid, Sideshow could release a Death Star Droids expansion pack.

Oh yeah!!

 

[Fives]

Together with the Mouse Droid, Sideshow could release a Death Star Droids expansion pack.

thats a pretty cool idea, hope sideshow thinks about an expansion pack for Vader.

 

[JustinLuck]

I hope his feet will be able to lie flat on the ground. From the pics, he looks straight ankled.

 

[MANDO]

I hope his feet will be able to lie flat on the ground. From the pics, he looks straight ankled.

I see what you're talking about. In wide leg standces his boots come off the ground.

 

[Fia2k9]

When or if they do a TESB version, woudn't it be cool if the display base looks like the the spot outside his meditation chamber that he kneels on when he communicates to Palpatine.......

:emperor

 

[MaulFan]

What would be really cool, and isn't very likely to happen, is if SSC took their Palpatine 1:1 bust, sculpted a hood too it, cast it translucent blue, put a big LED light in the center, and had Vader's holo pad coming off it, similar to the Hasbro setup.

 

[Hydeous]

Glenn still hasn't gotten back to me yet. I guess I just have to live with this one

Bummer.

 

[JustinLuck]

I submitted this question yesterday to Sideshow's Q&A. Hopefully we can get an answer.

Question: The stormtroopers have a known problem of black paint rubbing off their gloved hands, revealing white underneath. Will Darth Vader's gloves be cast in a black material similar to Jedi Luke's so that this problem is prevented?

 

[onethousandmasks]

Now its a 3rd Quarter release.

 

[SwedishHeat]

Now its a 3rd Quarter release.

That's quite a slip. July at the earliest?? Wonder what happened. . .

 

[Entropy]

I submitted this question yesterday to Sideshow's Q&A. Hopefully we can get an answer.

Question: The stormtroopers have a known problem of black paint rubbing off their gloved hands, revealing white underneath. Will Darth Vader's gloves be cast in a black material similar to Jedi Luke's so that this problem is prevented?

I don't think you have to worry about this one. There would be absolutely no reason for them to cast them in a different color and then pay to paint them as they are not two toned like the ST gloves.