Official 1/6th Darth Vader Thread

[abake]

I've been having a similar discussion over at the MovieManiacs boards, and I'll repeat it here.
The PT has better story lines and much more complex themes than anything in the OT.
The people who keep glorifying the OT and dismissing the PT just don't want to step out of their hallowed childhood bubble IMHO.
But... whatever.

 

[pixletwin]

Here is your continuity.

Vader original ROTS suit was beat to hell in hunting down Jedi and fighting the Rebel Alliance. As time went on the Empire's resources became less and less and the Emperor had to enact cost cutting measures. Vader's upgrades were included as a cost cutting measure.

There you go. Continuity solved with a little imagination.

 

[Spartan Rex]

Here is your continuity.

Vader original ROTS suit was beat to hell in hunting down Jedi and fighting the Rebel Alliance. As time went on the Empire's resources became less and less and the Emperor had to enact cost cutting measures. Vader's upgrades were included as a cost cutting measure.

There you go. Continuity solved with a little imagination.

Actually all the credits were going to the Hutt run unions building the Death Star.

David Lynch RotJ trailers
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J9JAJq1m8qU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sg3nSFNZY9Y&feature=related

 

[MaulFan]

One thing I don't understand is why ROTJ gets dumped on so much, that one always baffles me.

 

[pixletwin]

Me too. ROTJ is #1 in my book.

 

[Darthrazz]

One thing I don't understand is why ROTJ gets dumped on so much, that one always baffles me.

Agreed, or AOTC, I actually enjoy watching that one.

 

[Spartan Rex]

One thing I don't understand is why ROTJ gets dumped on so much, that one always baffles me.

Because teddy bears beating the "Empires best troops" is wrong.
Wookies wouldve been better.
Boba being beaten by a blind guy, flailing around is wrong.
Luke beating him outright wouldve been better.
Then showing a grappling hook coming out of the pitt as the skiff was moving away.
The biggest budget cant make Lucas a better writer.

 

[IrishJedi]

 

[MaulFan]

Me too. ROTJ is #1 in my book.

Same here, to me it really made the trilogy feel like it was a story about a world much different from our own. ANH and ESB had alien elements, but for the most part were heavily human-centric.

Agreed, or AOTC, I actually enjoy watching that one.

Yeah, I'll take AOTC over TPM from start to finish, though I'll take the Duel of the Fates over the quickie with Dooku any day I know people diss AOTC for the romance stuff, some parts are head scratchers, some of it is cheesy but I like that side of dating relationships so it didn't bother me, but I can see it getting to some folks.

 

[The Josh]

I'll take TPM over AOTC. Not to say AOTC is awful but its my least fave of the six.

I don't care what order they put the Vaders out from here on really. Just make all four cause they need to be made.

 

[pixletwin]

I want ROTS because it would be a reveal. So ROTS is essential.

 

[The Mike]

I've been having a similar discussion over at the MovieManiacs boards, and I'll repeat it here. The PT has better story lines and much more complex themes than anything in the OT. The people who keep glorifying the OT and dismissing the PT just don't want to step out of their hallowed childhood bubble IMHO. But... whatever.

As far as the posts before yours go, no one said anything about the PT not being complex or lesser than the OT, just that the execution of them wasn't handled poorly. I thought the basis behind AOTC and ROTS, even TPM were well thought out but Lucas himself became his own worst enemy in executing these ideas. I like the PT and the OT, to me is just ALL Star Wars but I won't deny that AOTC and ROTS would have been better films had someone else helmed them under Lucas' guidance.

Here is your continuity. Vader original ROTS suit was beat to hell in hunting down Jedi and fighting the Rebel Alliance. As time went on the Empire's resources became less and less and the Emperor had to enact cost cutting measures. Vader's upgrades were included as a cost cutting measure. There you go. Continuity solved with a little imagination.

Ugh. The same thing goes if you say "Ben living on Tatooine had to constantly fix his lightsaber due to the harsh conditions, replacing parts and pieces that he found in the wastelands or on the occassional trip to Mos Eisley. Knowing that one day he'd have to give Anakin's lightsaber to Luke, he made adjustments to that lightsaber as well to keep it in working order for the day he'd pass it on. That's why they look different from ROTS to ANH" It doesn't save the fact that its a continuity error that could have easily been avoided and actually causes fanboys to be more so by covering Lucas' own ass by explaining it with imagination and giving him a pass.

One thing I don't understand is why ROTJ gets dumped on so much, that one always baffles me.

I love ROTJ, except the part about the Ewoks but I get the whole symbolism of nature over technology but it would have worked better and been more respected with Wookies. Luke's appearance in ROTJ and his Lightsaber are my favorite within the entire trilogy. Hell I have 3 ROTJ Luke Lightsabers in my collection. Its definitely a difference than ESB but I don't see why it gets nailed as hard as it does either.

Agreed, or AOTC, I actually enjoy watching that one.

I actually enjoy TPM as well. If you separate little Ani's annoying quirks and Jar-Jar (which was a huge missed opportunity looking at the archetype of Chewbacca) its actually a well crafted story. I just think it caters to kids where one of the reason ANH is so beloved is because its a basic fairy tale told seriously which naturally enamors kids. Lucas kind of went the other way with the PT. He told a story that was very layered and serious with tons of parallels and allusions to classic mythology but then added pratfalls and slapstick to keep it kid orientated.

 

[The Josh]

I want ROTS because it would be a reveal. So ROTS is essential.

As with ROTJ I hope its a separate head.

 

[The Mike]

Eh. Separate head, reveal whatever....just means either way I will end up getting two.

 

[pixletwin]

I agree with you on the sabers. Plain error.

But my continuity for Vader is VERY plausible and (I think) interesting.

 

[pixletwin]

As with ROTJ I hope its a separate head.

Thats an old dog josh that we don't need to beat around with.

 

[The Josh]

Thats an old dog josh that we don't need to beat around with.

I know. I know.

 

[IrishJedi]

As far as the posts before yours go, no one said anything about the PT not being complex or lesser than the OT, just that the execution of them wasn't handled poorly. I thought the basis behind AOTC and ROTS, even TPM were well thought out but Lucas himself became his own worst enemy in executing these ideas. I like the PT and the OT, to me is just ALL Star Wars but I won't deny that AOTC and ROTS would have been better films had someone else helmed them under Lucas' guidance.

Ugh. The same thing goes if you say "Ben living on Tatooine had to constantly fix his lightsaber due to the harsh conditions, replacing parts and pieces that he found in the wastelands or on the occassional trip to Mos Eisley. Knowing that one day he'd have to give Anakin's lightsaber to Luke, he made adjustments to that lightsaber as well to keep it in working order for the day he'd pass it on. That's why they look different from ROTS to ANH" It doesn't save the fact that its a continuity error that could have easily been avoided and actually causes fanboys to be more so by covering Lucas' own ass by explaining it with imagination and giving him a pass.

I love ROTJ, except the part about the Ewoks but I get the whole symbolism of nature over technology but it would have worked better and been more respected with Wookies.

Again, agreed. And the only reasons why we had Ewoks instead of wookies is because it was cheaper and easier to dress up a bunch of midgets with teddy bear suits than find 6-7 foot tall dudes and go all-out with wookies... and Lucas also wanted to cash-in on the E.T. "awwww" craze.

I actually enjoy TPM as well. If you separate little Ani's annoying quirks and Jar-Jar (which was a huge missed opportunity looking at the archetype of Chewbacca) its actually a well crafted story.

Hell, remove Jake Lloyd and the Jar Jar/Gungan stuff and TPM is easily the best and most classic SW-ish of the entire PT. The problem is, that stuff (Lloyd, Jar Jar, et al) is pretty damn bad.

 

[Darthrazz]

Then showing a grappling hook coming out of the pitt as the skiff was moving away.

When was this?? Did I miss it??

 

[MaulFan]

I care only as far as the license. I'd like to see ROTJ done and ROTS dead last so if for some reason that figure can never be, then oh well. OT Vaders are key, if ROTS can be worked in great, but it won't bother me if it can't, ROTJ it will, and ESB some.