Official Enterbay-Hot Toys Bruce Lee Line General Thread

[Lejuan]

I won't get really excited about what EB are doing in regards to anything unless and until they can resolve their QC issues for the GoD September batch, and convince me that the same debacle won't happen again with future releases.

It seems that most people on the EB GoD thread are so delighted by the positives with that set that they happily accept the negatives. But the negatives for me are deal-breakers at this price-point.

I am more looking forward to seeing what HT brings out next in the BL line to be honest.

 

[Y4NK33 PL4N3T]

I won't get really excited about what EB are doing in regards to anything unless and until they can resolve their QC issues for the GoD September batch, and convince me that the same debacle won't happen again with future releases.

It seems that most people on the EB GoD thread are so delighted by the positives with that set that they happily accept the negatives. But the negatives for me are deal-breakers at this price-point.

I am more looking forward to seeing what HT brings out next in the BL line to be honest.

People giving HT a pass for their QC issues and mediocrity but willing to rag on EB for literally any reason b/c the figure cost 75 bucks more is so yesterday LJ.

 

[Lejuan]

People giving HT a pass for their QC issues and mediocrity but willing to rag on EB for literally any reason b/c the figure cost 75 bucks more is so yesterday LJ.

You should spend some more time in the DX04 thread Yankee, I can't recall more than a single QC issue. Apart from a couple of issues of minor staining, which hardly qualify for QC issues IMO because of the materials used, the only QC instance I can specifically remember is one of the diorama components not aligning as they should. As for mediocrity, well it's just not my opinion that the DX04 is mediocre, so I can't really contest that point.

The GoD figure would cost an extra $75 over the equivalent ETD figure, that's true. Unless you have to return your figure - highly likely - in which case you'll be up for a return shipping charge (unless you're lucky enough to have EB waive this, but it's not their policy to). And if you want another body to flesh out the set, that's another $75.

So in actual fact, with the number and frequency of QC issues that have been talked about on a very EB-friendly SSF thread, it is a pretty good chance that a perfect 2x figure EB GoD set will set the collector back an extra $180 above the cost of a 2x figure HT ETD set.

Now if EB hadn't stuffed up their BD HS, and the GoD set was actually 2 x genuine sculpts rather than a brilliant one and a godawful one, that money would be looking a lot better spent. But as it is, the EB set is riddled with shortcomings that I personally can't forgive just because they did a good job on the smiling sculpt.

Rag on EB for "literally any reason"? Literally ANY reason? Yankee I thought you were a Bruce Lee fanboy, not an EB fanboy

 

[Y4NK33 PL4N3T]

You should spend some more time in the DX04 thread Yankee, I can't recall more than a single QC issue. Apart from a couple of issues of minor staining, which hardly qualify for QC issues IMO because of the materials used, the only QC instance I can specifically remember is one of the diorama components not aligning as they should.

I wasn't referring to just the HT Dx04 release LJ, I'm referring to all HT's releases in general. MANY of the new releases have QC issues (IM Mark VI, Thor), many are mediocre sculpts (Thor, Kevin Flynn, both Sucker Punch girls), and others are just poorly done in general (Tron Kevin Flynn). I'm just pointing out HT has just as many problems as EB yet they seem to get pass way more often than EB does.

The figure would cost an extra $75, that's true. Unless you have to return one of your figures, in which case you'll be up for a return shipping charge (unless you're lucky enough to have EB waive this, but it's not their policy to). And if you want another body to flesh out the set, that's another $75.

Assuming you got this from EB direct yes that's correct. If you go through other avenues than it's likely your retailer covers this as we've discussed previously.

So in actual fact, with the number and frequency of QC issues that have been talked about on a very EB-friendly SSF thread, it is a pretty good chance that a perfect 2x figure EB GoD set will set the collector back an extra $180 above the cost of a 2x figure HT ETD set.

If I got a defect head how does that cost me $180 to send it to my dealer for a replacement?

Now if EB hadn't stuffed up their BD HS, and the GoD set was actually 2 x genuine sculpts rather than a brilliant one and a godawful one, that money would be looking a lot better spent. But as it is, the EB set is riddled with shortcomings that I personally can't forgive just because they did a good job on the smiling sculpt.

Personally, I like the smiling head sculpt much better too. That being said, there were many who preferred the BD sculpt and will argue it's better. So, not going to touch this one

Rag on EB for "literally any reason"? Literally ANY reason? Yankee I thought you were a Bruce Lee fanboy, not an EB fanboy

 

[Lejuan]

I wasn't referring to just the HT Dx04 release LJ, I'm referring to all HT's releases in general. MANY of the new releases have QC issues (IM Mark VI, Thor), many are mediocre sculpts (Thor, Kevin Flynn, both Sucker Punch girls), and others are just poorly done in general (Tron Kevin Flynn). I'm just pointing out HT has just as many problems as EB yet they seem to get pass way more often than EB does.

Luckily I don't touch those lines Seriously, maybe that's why a lot of HT QC issues seem to get buried a bit, because they have so many releases out. EB don't have as many releases out so QC issues will be amplified. Having said that, the GoD seems to be riddled with QC issues, and I suspect it is mostly to do with the new materials and technology they employed in making the body.

Assuming you got this from EB direct yes that's correct. If you go through other avenues than it's likely your retailer covers this as we've discussed previously.

True that

If I got a defect head how does that cost me $180 to send it to my dealer for a replacement?

I was adding on the cost of an extra body and the cost of return shipping for a replacement to the cost of the set But considering your point above, subtract the cost of return shipping. So a 2x figure ETD = $220, a 2x figure GoD = $365

Personally, I like the smiling head sculpt much better too. That being said, there were many who preferred the BD sculpt and will argue it's better. So, not going to touch this one

If EB can get the pupils fixed, which it appears they will do, then this will go a long way to bringing the BD HS up to par. An updated paint app would be welcomed too.

Don't forget I'm still on the fence on this one, so I do appreciate this set's finer qualities. I'm just ranting about the qualities that are not so fine and that raise doubts about my purchase

 

[Y4NK33 PL4N3T]

Luckily I don't touch those lines Seriously, maybe that's why a lot of HT QC issues seem to get buried a bit, because they have so many releases out. EB don't have as many releases out so QC issues will be amplified. Having said that, the GoD seems to be riddled with QC issues, and I suspect it is mostly to do with the new materials and technology they employed in making the body.

I was adding on the cost of an extra body and the cost of return shipping for a replacement to the cost of the set But considering your point above, subtract the cost of return shipping. So a 2x figure ETD = $220, a 2x figure GoD = $365

If EB can get the pupils fixed, which it appears they will do, then this will go a long way to bringing the BD HS up to par. An updated paint app would be welcomed too.

Agreed

Don't forget I'm still on the fence on this one, so I do appreciate this set's finer qualities. I'm just ranting about the qualities that are not so fine and that raise doubts about my purchase

Understood. For $300+ I don't blame you for the scrutiny, that's a lot of bank for a 1/6 and EB should have implemented a better way to QC the sculpts and bodies if they want to set the price tag so high.

 

[SAB]

Quality of sculpts is subjective but you can't really argue both companies are having the same level of QC problems.

The new EB GoD seems to be in a league of its own there, even comparing to the HT IM VI.

But to me QC problems aren't acceptable from either company at the price points they are charging.

 

[Monger]

Quality of sculpts is subjective but you can't really argue both companies are having the same level of QC problems.

The new EB GoD seems to be in a league of its own there, even comparing to the HT IM VI.

But to me QC problems aren't acceptable from either company at the price points they are charging.

But at least this wasn't a flawed product to begin with. Enterbay attempted a lot of things and did not deliver in all ways as promised, but look at something like Hot Toys Kevin. What makes him a Tron character? His outfit. Did Hot Toys accurately do his outfit? No. Did they try to? No. Did they apologize for it? No. What did they do? Cancel the line and take all the profits from Sam and Kevin and then run behind their other licenses. I commend Enterbay for trying their best and pulling through even during the problematic stages of release.

 

[SAB]

But at least this wasn't a flawed product to begin with. Enterbay attempted a lot of things and did not deliver in all ways as promised, but look at something like Hot Toys Kevin. What makes him a Tron character? His outfit. Did Hot Toys accurately do his outfit? No. Did they try to? No. Did they apologize for it? No. What did they do? Cancel the line and take all the profits from Sam and Kevin and then run behind their other licenses. I commend Enterbay for trying their best and pulling through even during the problematic stages of release.

 

[Lejuan]

But at least this wasn't a flawed product to begin with. Enterbay attempted a lot of things and did not deliver in all ways as promised, but look at something like Hot Toys Kevin. What makes him a Tron character? His outfit. Did Hot Toys accurately do his outfit? No. Did they try to? No. Did they apologize for it? No. What did they do? Cancel the line and take all the profits from Sam and Kevin and then run behind their other licenses. I commend Enterbay for trying their best and pulling through even during the problematic stages of release.

Not wanting to derail this thread, but can you expand on this? I'm not familiar with exactly what the story was with Kevin, I've only heard vague grumbling. Have they dropped the line altogether or just delayed its release?

 

[Y4NK33 PL4N3T]

Not wanting to derail this thread, but can you expand on this? I'm not familiar with exactly what the story was with Kevin, I've only heard vague grumbling. Have they dropped the line altogether or just delayed its release?

Last I heard is that the line was 'on hold' which many believe translates to 'is dead'.

 

[noisetrigger]

The only HT release this year that has been slightly problematic is the Mark VI. We had to exchange a few. As for other releases, they have been relatively problem free.

What is the QC issue with Thor? This is the first time I have heard of it.

 

[bandito]

The only HT release this year that has been slightly problematic is the Mark VI. We had to exchange a few. As for other releases, they have been relatively problem free.

And Mk. IV too... but that released was mostly late last year.... paint & leg flap issues

 

[noisetrigger]

And Mk. IV too... but that released was mostly late last year.... paint & leg flap issues

Paint? This is the first time I have heard of paint issues with the Mark IV. Most will say it's better made than Mark VI. As for the leg flap, it's user error. Everyone made the mistake off pulling the flap open without extending it out first.

 

[bandito]

Paint? This is the first time I have heard of paint issues with the Mark IV. Most will say it's better made than Mark VI. As for the leg flap, it's user error. Everyone made the mistake off pulling the flap open without extending it out first.

Paint is a big can of worms, many examples, (for which I'm a victim) I'll leave it at that.

Flap is both a combination of user error and design issue that HT corrected with the replacement parts of Mk. IV and Mk. VI. HT made the "rail" thinner so that it not so easily stucked, hence breaking it (as with Mk.4).

And also missing parts for which both Mk.4 & 6 suffers (on WM too).

p.s. I've a combo 7 units of Mk.4 and 6....

 

[OMG]

HT GOD with full rubber body anyone? Let's find out if this is true or not next week @ Ani-com.

 

[ahgnus]

This is all so very interesting guys. I WAS going to chime in on HT VS Enterbay debate, and then I came to my senses and asked myself, "What has happened to this thread?!?! Where is Bruce Lee??? "

I guess there isn't much going on right now in Bruce Lee figure world as all the anticipation and excitement has died down a bit since the release of HT ETD and EB GOD sets. There is kind of a void right now.

Well, worry no more ladies and gentlemen. I am here to razzle and dazzle your hungry eyes. That's right, BL picture bonanza!!! I had just received WOTD outfit set and hair piece. I moded the hair piece to fit on original FOF calm face and angry face, and I am very pleased with the result. Decide for yourselves who wins in the "likeness" department between HT and EB. Arnie Kim is heaven sent for us Bruce Lee collectors. So without further ado, here it is.

 

[Lawrence]

I am here to razzle and dazzle your hungry eyes.

Cool pics

This might look better than the EB WotD statue I have

 

[Lawrence]

 

[Y4NK33 PL4N3T]

The iv had paint issues. The vi was chock full of issues from bad paint, to missing parts for the extra arm, damaged parts and some other things I cannot recall atm.

For Thor, the helmet was a problem and many have modified it already to fit better and not sit so low on the sculpt (Odin has this problem too). The cape was also another issue, the way it attaches makes it fall off very easily. The upper torso armor was reportedly glued directly onto the body in the back, making it very difficult to remove the sleeve armor if you wished to pose Thor with his arms exposed. Thor's hammer is very heavy and others have problems posing him with it since it drags the entire arm down and stresses the shoulder joint. The Thor sculpt is mediocre at best - an expressionless sculpt really hurts Thor imo b/c this character is so animated for almost the entire film. A smile, huge grin, or angry face would have worked wonder for this figure set.

Tron Kevin Flynn is just a poor release imo. The sculpt - another expressionless - is mediocre and that's being kind. What makes the Tron franchise stand out are the fantastic tron outfits, and HT dropped the ball here. Not only are there no light up features, but nothing reflective either like Medicom did with the DP duo. They didn't even try or acknowledge this. Not only that, the black robe included in the set has no hood, which is inaccurate to the film. The only good part of the set is the base, regardless all you get is a guy in a black/white robe and simply put it isn't Tron in any way, shape or form.

/rant back to our regularly scheduled Bruce Lee worship