Not surprised considering your love of the prequels. To each his own.
Rogue One: A Star Wars Story (12/16/16) *SPOILERS*
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Not surprised considering your love of the prequels. To each his own.
The Jedi are best when they're like the sith. Only 2 of them. Luke and Ben, Luke and Yoda.
Yeah. ROTS was at it's most interesting when it was finally down to just Yoda and Obi-Wan. Not that Jedi are bad characters, I just like it when the films are mostly military campaigns with only one or two of them. Kind of like wizards in LOTR.
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Numbers are not in yet because of the sky wizard holiday but RO beat out 6 NEW RELEASES to retain the # 1 spot, while it mght be trailing TFA 42% it still had heavier competition than TFA for the 2nd weekend in release.
If Carrie Fisher dies this thing will beat Avatar.
If Carrie Fisher dies this thing will beat Avatar.
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Honestly, I don't like the Jedi, the Sith or the Force. It got whackier with each new movie.
Tl;dr
Rogue One just took it back to the basics and we just had blind man annoyingly repeating his Force prayer. Thankfully they didn't do anything weird wth that crystal around her neck . . . unless a sequel says that Jyn and Captain Cassia Andor survived the blast because of the necklace and Force crystal, hnnnnng.
In Star Wars it's fine. Obi-Wan's explanation is simple and to the point. There's nothing really crazy or absurd about it. The powers weren't too crazy, it almost seemed telekinetic and we only saw Obi-Wan tricking people and Vader choking fools. The Force was quaint and the Jedi were just knights. Only weird thing is how Obi-Wan disappears with no corpse when he gets struck down.
Then in Empire it gets weirder. Obi-Wan is a literal Force ghost. Luke can call his lightsaber to his hand, Yoda can lift X-Wings and Vader can throw things at Luke while Luke tries to dodge, badly. The worst though is telepathy. I only got one problem with Empire Strikes Back, just one. It's my only nitpick with it. It's that damn telepathy. I hate how Vader calls Luke son right off the bat and Luke responds "father" like he just accepts it. He didn't even go into denial.
Jedi it's whacked. Luke can do super jumps and backflips. You got mind reading now, ****ing Vader can just read thoughts out of the blue ("u have a twin sista"). Palpatine can shoot friggin' lightning from his finger tips. Obi-Wan and Yoda's motivations suck, Obi-Wan is a lying bastard and he can sit on ****ing rocks as a ghost. Vader and Palpatine have no convincing argument why Luke should join the dark side. There isn't even a temptation, just them ****ing with him. It's biggest offense is implying that only "special", stronger people can use the force and be Jedi. It's implied that the Sywalker family is stronger with it which unfortunately led to . . .
The Phantom Menace, midicichlorians. You can only use the force and be a Jedi if you're special and have a high count in your blood stream. "Jedi reflexes". Not only are the jumps and flips heightened , but now there's "Force run", like Lucas saw Dark Forces II: Jedi Knight and copied down those achievement abilities (then again, he probably approved the game). The Jedi turn out to be a bunch of weirdo space monks and the Sith aren't much better with their "rule of two" BS. There's also Anakin's virgin birth which is just insulting.
Attack of the Clones has Yoda do crazy things. Children are called younglings and they ****ing practice with lil' lightsabers and replicas of Han's helmet that Luke uses with the blast shelf down. The Jedi order is weird and there is that creepy librarian. Despite being Knights, they claim to just be keepers of the peace . . . only to then get involved in a war. Also, if midichlorians are a measure of one's Force abilities and connection to it, why not clone a Jedi with a high count in their blood stream? Why not clone multiple Anakin's for your nefarious scheme. You can give them executive orders and make them hunt down all the jedi with ease.
Revenge of the Sith has Palpatine do crazy things. He's got that scream flip that's actually a move the Emperor has in the Battlefront game.
Palpatine says that the Force can create life and it's assumed he created Anakin. You can also prevent death, which Anakin foolishly believes and doesn't even get mad when he realizes he's been duped by Palps (seriously, why didn't Anakin kill him after he lied. Mace Windu is a hypocrite that tries to kill Palpatine. Obi-Wan claims only Sith deal in absolutes which is just hypocritical. Qui-Gon somehow can communicate to Yoda and Obi-Wan from the Force netherworld to help them become ghosts.
In the Force Awakens, you get literal visions if you touch Luke's lightsaber. In all the other movies, a lightsaber is just a lightsaber. Yet this chick touches it and it literally sends her to Empire Strikes Back. She isn't taught **** from a force user (her only "mentor" is Han) and yet gets all the abilities that we've seen takes training to achieve. Kylo Ren can stop ****ing laser bolts. The busted up Vader helmet talks to Ben Solo who has no real motivation to go to the dark side and supposedly struggles to be good and finds it hard to kill his dad. Well no duh. It's like the opposite of Palpatine and Vader's nonsense in ROTJ if Luke had "turned" despite nothing to gain from doing it.
Then in Empire it gets weirder. Obi-Wan is a literal Force ghost. Luke can call his lightsaber to his hand, Yoda can lift X-Wings and Vader can throw things at Luke while Luke tries to dodge, badly. The worst though is telepathy. I only got one problem with Empire Strikes Back, just one. It's my only nitpick with it. It's that damn telepathy. I hate how Vader calls Luke son right off the bat and Luke responds "father" like he just accepts it. He didn't even go into denial.
Jedi it's whacked. Luke can do super jumps and backflips. You got mind reading now, ****ing Vader can just read thoughts out of the blue ("u have a twin sista"). Palpatine can shoot friggin' lightning from his finger tips. Obi-Wan and Yoda's motivations suck, Obi-Wan is a lying bastard and he can sit on ****ing rocks as a ghost. Vader and Palpatine have no convincing argument why Luke should join the dark side. There isn't even a temptation, just them ****ing with him. It's biggest offense is implying that only "special", stronger people can use the force and be Jedi. It's implied that the Sywalker family is stronger with it which unfortunately led to . . .
The Phantom Menace, midicichlorians. You can only use the force and be a Jedi if you're special and have a high count in your blood stream. "Jedi reflexes". Not only are the jumps and flips heightened , but now there's "Force run", like Lucas saw Dark Forces II: Jedi Knight and copied down those achievement abilities (then again, he probably approved the game). The Jedi turn out to be a bunch of weirdo space monks and the Sith aren't much better with their "rule of two" BS. There's also Anakin's virgin birth which is just insulting.
Attack of the Clones has Yoda do crazy things. Children are called younglings and they ****ing practice with lil' lightsabers and replicas of Han's helmet that Luke uses with the blast shelf down. The Jedi order is weird and there is that creepy librarian. Despite being Knights, they claim to just be keepers of the peace . . . only to then get involved in a war. Also, if midichlorians are a measure of one's Force abilities and connection to it, why not clone a Jedi with a high count in their blood stream? Why not clone multiple Anakin's for your nefarious scheme. You can give them executive orders and make them hunt down all the jedi with ease.
Revenge of the Sith has Palpatine do crazy things. He's got that scream flip that's actually a move the Emperor has in the Battlefront game.
Palpatine says that the Force can create life and it's assumed he created Anakin. You can also prevent death, which Anakin foolishly believes and doesn't even get mad when he realizes he's been duped by Palps (seriously, why didn't Anakin kill him after he lied. Mace Windu is a hypocrite that tries to kill Palpatine. Obi-Wan claims only Sith deal in absolutes which is just hypocritical. Qui-Gon somehow can communicate to Yoda and Obi-Wan from the Force netherworld to help them become ghosts.In the Force Awakens, you get literal visions if you touch Luke's lightsaber. In all the other movies, a lightsaber is just a lightsaber. Yet this chick touches it and it literally sends her to Empire Strikes Back. She isn't taught **** from a force user (her only "mentor" is Han) and yet gets all the abilities that we've seen takes training to achieve. Kylo Ren can stop ****ing laser bolts. The busted up Vader helmet talks to Ben Solo who has no real motivation to go to the dark side and supposedly struggles to be good and finds it hard to kill his dad. Well no duh. It's like the opposite of Palpatine and Vader's nonsense in ROTJ if Luke had "turned" despite nothing to gain from doing it.
Tl;dr
Rogue One just took it back to the basics and we just had blind man annoyingly repeating his Force prayer. Thankfully they didn't do anything weird wth that crystal around her neck . . . unless a sequel says that Jyn and Captain Cassia Andor survived the blast because of the necklace and Force crystal, hnnnnng.
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DiFabio your post is so ******* awesome i've decided to read it twice, but i'll still watch the movies 50 more times lol.
Buy the time I got to Rey visions I was grinning like the Joker.
Buy the time I got to Rey visions I was grinning like the Joker.
From the beginning Vader said that the Death Star was nothing compared to the Force so I don't mind it allowing characters to do amazing things, just as long as those amazing things aren't stupid. Once you start turning accomplished actors into rubbery cartoon characters that's when I check out. Didn't mind any use of the Force in Episodes 4-7. Or Rogue One for that matter with regard to Vader.
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Getting Force visions from touching Anakin's lightsaber and having a little orange CGI Yoda rip off thing tell you about it was cartoony.
What Vader did in Rogue One wasn't that crazy though. He pretty much did that in Episode III. We just never saw him do it in the armor in any of the movies. They were clever not to give Darth Maul or Kylo Ren any restrictive armor.
What Vader did in Rogue One wasn't that crazy though. He pretty much did that in Episode III. We just never saw him do it in the armor in any of the movies. They were clever not to give Darth Maul or Kylo Ren any restrictive armor.
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Force = ESP/TK stuff and all that comes with it.
All is good there.
All is good there.
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You don't believe in the force do you?
Obviously I disagree. Really liked the Force vision. I was happy that RO's aliens were all practical (save the telepathic octopus.)
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Not surprised considering your love of TFA. To each their own.
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DiFabio hates the force, admittedly, but it colors his view of moments--such as ROTJ Vader/Luke/Emperor scene.
But the thing is, he's mostly right. I think part of the problem with the prequels is they made a mess of the force, but if you look at Luke as a singular example of the force you see a spunky young kid in ANH to a sorta reckless Jedi wannabe that you root for in ESB, but who then becomes this boring supercilious master of the force in ROTJ. Above it all, etc. I still like Luke in ROTJ but he's his best in Endor when he's still down to earth to some degree.
Yoda said, "that is why you fail," but really that's what we want to see from our heroes. The force is at odds with good filmmaking.
But the thing is, he's mostly right. I think part of the problem with the prequels is they made a mess of the force, but if you look at Luke as a singular example of the force you see a spunky young kid in ANH to a sorta reckless Jedi wannabe that you root for in ESB, but who then becomes this boring supercilious master of the force in ROTJ. Above it all, etc. I still like Luke in ROTJ but he's his best in Endor when he's still down to earth to some degree.
Yoda said, "that is why you fail," but really that's what we want to see from our heroes. The force is at odds with good filmmaking.
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Yup, exactly.
Too bad Luke is now a weird, hermit, monk dude like Obi-Wan and Yoda. If I were that character, I would have ran into the opposite direction after defeating the Empire in ROTJ, especially after finding out the girl I wanted to bang is my sister. **** the Jedi. Luke did everything he wanted to do, he lived the dream. Shoulda returned home to Tatoonie, cucked Fixer, married Camie and live the rest of his life as a moisture farmer with his family and make his aunt and uncle proud.
What does he do instead, he becomes the worst Jedi Master ever, claims to want to be left alone on an island only to send people a map of where he's at so a future, weird, hermit, monk girl can come bother him.
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I actually really liked Chirrut's relationship with the Force. That was new and cool because it was more like faith in a deity. The audience gets to totally interpret his final scene however they want; whether the Force was moving the blaster bolts away from him, whether it was causing the Death Troopers to fire wide, or if it was simply a Pulp Fiction moment of blind (no pun intended) luck.
I like to think that he simply stepped out at exactly the right moment that battlefield conditions led the troopers to miss on their own and that no overt telekinesis was at play.
I like to think that he simply stepped out at exactly the right moment that battlefield conditions led the troopers to miss on their own and that no overt telekinesis was at play.
Well it might have worked/managed to convey that if not for the fact that the actually fight is horribly coreographed.
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