Rogue One: A Star Wars Story (12/16/16) *SPOILERS*

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Eh, the Force is what makes Star Wars stand out. Remove it, and you're left with just another sci-fi universe with likeable characters that fit the basic archetypes. Then there's no distinction between it, Star Trek, Mass Effect and the like. SW is built on the dichotomy between faith and a hyper technologically advanced universe, and frankly, it's what makes it interesting. Take out the "space wizards" and all the mythos, and it stops being a unique case, but rather a fairly average space flick.

The Prequels just went ahead and destroyed that by introducing the midichlorians. The Force doesn't need a scientifc answer. Hell, not everything needs a scientific answer for it to be enjoyable, or even logical. The Force is a mystical energy that some people are able to manipulate. That's it, that's enough. I don't need to know whether it comes from bodily cells, how big their genome is, whether it's the whole cell or just the gene that does the work, I don't need all that. For all we know, the Force is semi-sentient. Or it just "picks" people at random and gifts them with this abillity.

The point is, Star Wars is at its best when it blends magic and science together. That's all the fun, and that's where most of its philosophy comes from. Star Trek deals with issues of morality and more down to Earth topics, whereas SW is all about the metaphysical. I can see how someone would prefer fewer numbers when it comes to Force users, but the concept in general is necessary. The power creeping doesn't bother me, as long as it's not sudden like with Rey, the OPest Mary Sue in years.
 
I'm just saying, each subsequent movie besides Rogue One ruins the allure of the Force, Jedi and Sith. There's also this stupid notion in all 8 movies that after a mere 20-30 years pass, Force users or believers are considered ancient or mythical despite there being blatant proof of their existence.
 
I wonder if SW will ever introduce social media.

Like will the Empire have stormtroopers posting on facebook or snapchat?

Will an epic battle take place between Luke and Snoke on a comments section.

I want more realism dammit.
 
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I'm just saying, each subsequent movie besides Rogue One ruins the allure of the Force.
Hearing "may the Force be with you" said by non Force users 100 times didn't ruin the allure of the Force for you?
*not countin' the Chinese characters because they were good and had at least some Jedi related background
 
I'm just saying, each subsequent movie besides Rogue One ruins the allure of the Force, Jedi and Sith. There's also this stupid notion in all 8 movies that after a mere 20-30 years pass, Force users or believers are considered ancient or mythical despite there being blatant proof of their existence.

Oh, I ain't disagreeing on that. I don't have a problem with them being more visible or in bigger numbers, it's just the way the Prequels went that made it pretty darn stupid. In the EU comics and whatnot, you had eras where the Jedis numbered in thousands and more, but they were presented more like a "Church" than a peace-keeping force that was employed by the reigning government. By going that route, the PT made them seem less interesting and much more "common". Plus, it was just the whole "bright CGI feel" of the flicks.

Compare the PT Jedis:

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To the TOR era Jedis:

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The latter ones look more regal and mysterious. And if you do a simple Google Search, you'll see that the aesthetic in general is much different. The Temples and whatnot look like Space-Churches in their prime. They blend sci-fi and "ancient ruins" together and he result is great. Meanwhile, the Prequels went for the usual "bright white lights" and ruined the mysterious aura of the Sith and Jedi.
 
Hearing "may the Force be with you" said by non Force users 100 times didn't ruin the allure of the Force for you?
*not countin' the Chinese characters because they were good and had at least some Jedi related background



Only the dumb Rebels do that.

Only good thing about the Jedi/Sith are their lightsabers. Only cool thing about the Rebels are their star fighters (except the B-Wing, that thing is ass).
 
Ok that's where DiFabio loses me...B wings with their wings rotating around their cockpit were bad ass.

I mean sure they did squat but whatever lol.

D wings are still my favorite though especially when they fly in formation with three X wings.

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I'm glad that we got a straight military flick with no Jedi to speak of. SW is at it's best when the Force is kept to a minimum.

I've long been of the opinion that Star Wars is at its best when every element is restrained and minimal. It focuses you on the characters and human elements, while maintaining a mysterious scope and depth to a lonely, often dangerous and mostly unseen galaxy.

At its very best, it tells a story within a narrow historical scope that leaves room for a story that mixes tropes from different genres and gives us something greater than its individual parts.

It's not impossible to create on a larger canvas within that universe, but as we've seen, far more difficult.

Was it someone here that said Star Wars is quite limited? If you want that OT magic, I agree.

If you're going to step outside of those boundaries, you may still get fun stories, but they won't be the same animal.
 
I've long been of the opinion that Star Wars is at its best when every element is restrained and minimal. It focuses you on the characters and human elements, while maintaining a mysterious scope and depth to a lonely, often dangerous and mostly unseen galaxy.

At its very best, it tells a story within a narrow historical scope that leaves room for a story that mixes tropes from different genres and gives us something greater than its individual parts.

It's not impossible to create on a larger canvas within that universe, but as we've seen, far more difficult.

Was it someone here that said Star Wars is quite limited? If you want that OT magic, I agree.

If you're going to step outside of those boundaries, you may still get fun stories, but they won't be the same animal.

Yep, minimal, but critical use of the force is best.

Yoda exhausting himself moving an x-wing
Not Anakin moving fruit for his girlfirend.

I missed the idea that using the force was a scaled thing...the more intense the "use" the more difficult and taxing it would be.

Where only the most skilled Jedi could move huge things and not become totally exausted....

One of the reasons I HATED PT! It was like Jedi used the force to wipe their ass and it was no big deal. We Definetly do not get that with OT.
I feel like TFA was also trying to follow the OT model, which is why Rey beats Kylo, Kylo was exhausting himself using the force to "juice himself" after that crossbow blot.

Couldn't disagree more. Could not.

Me. Neither.

Lets have....

LOTR without rings of power
TDK without gadgets and Bat transportation
Back to the Future without the Delorean
Indiana Jones without mystical elements
And Star Wars with out the force.





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To be fair Anakin did say that if Obi-Wan saw him moving the fruit, he'd be pissed. :lol
 
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Me. Neither.

Lets have....

LOTR without rings of power
TDK without gadgets and Bat transportation
Back to the Future without the Delorean
Indiana Jones without mystical elements
And Star Wars with out the force.

Don't be silly, I never said I wanted the Force gone from Star Wars. That's DiFabio, but don't be fooled, he ain't a fan. Probably just pretends to like SW and ESB. His Batman movies failed him so he wanders in and out of SW threads, aimless, leaderless, divided.
 
To be fair Anakin did say that if Obi-Wan saw him moving the fruit, he'd be pissed. :lol

If you just remove the words Obi-Wan and Jedi from PT and replace them with "audience" then suddenly the whole trilogy makes perfect sense.

"If the audience saw me doing this they'd be very grumpy."

"Uh oh, not again, the audience is gonna kill me."

"From my point of view the audience is evil!"

"At last, the audience is no more."

See, it all fits.
 
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