Rogue One: A Star Wars Story (12/16/16) *SPOILERS*

[DiFabio]

No but I know a lot of people did write off the OT on account of those dreadful "things" Lucas released from 1999-2005.

Nobody did. Being a Star Wars fan is like being in an abusive relationship, you keep going back for more. Anyone that wrote off the OT weren't fans of Star Wars in the first place. Certainly not like you or I.

 

[DiFabio]

Ok ok ok....

Lets make believe I have a gun to my head.

RO v Logan

Choose jye!

As much as I loved Logan for its intensity, gore and the sadness I felt watching his demise it's really no contest.

RO wins!

It's quality SW contained to the OT, it hits all the nostalgia buttons perfectly, has a great 3rd act and Vader Vader Vader!!!

Logan is a great Wolverine movie that would've been excellent had he worn his costume on his final assault and then died in his costume for Laura because she loved and cherished her daddy from the comic book that kept her dreams alive.

He would've embraced her Wolverine for his daughter on his final mission.

In other words Logan missed having his Vader-Rebel fleet arrival moment in his own movie.

Sorry DiFabio, but i'm off to Khev's house to watch RO!

Eh, you'll be back on my side when the Logan blu ray comes out in a couple of months. No worries.


I will say this, by your logic, all Logan needed was a Battlefront II action scene where we watch someone else hammer down the R1 and R2 button to spam Vader's hack and force attacks on some rebels on the DLC Tantive IV map pack. Technically you already experienced that with the Wolverine Origins game, but instead of simply watching it like Rogue One, you got to actually play it.


Also, Cholos vs Logan > Vader vs Rebels


Search your feelings my son, you know this to be true.

 

[jye4ever]

Must....resist......bad ass....Logan vs Cholos....super awesome....scene.

 

[DiFabio]

Bro, Wolverine's claws can slice through anything. Lightsabers can't (unless you consider the Phantom Menace canon, checkmate Khev ).

 

[Matt S]

Well, Rogue One is 'out there' in the Net-land....I am going to buy a legit copy, but DAMN! Want to watch now....

The villains in the new Star Wars movies have more personality than the heroes. Well except Snoke, he's lame.

Agreed, as of now. hopefully that is corrected in the next movie.

I know many here hated the CGI Tarkin, but I loved it. The actor that played the part did an amazing job, even the voice was spot on for me, and I suspect the wonky look to the FX of the re-creation will look less weird on a smaller tv.

And by smaller, I mean 65" baby!!

 

[Khev]

I think DiFabio is somehow able to reject a genuinely great SW film like RO because he's "over" SW in general or at the very least burned out the way I am with cbm's at the moment. It's the only explanation that makes sense to me. RO is exactly the kind of sequel/prequel I would expect any fan of the OT to have been pining for however many years now. *Especially* for those folks like myself who don't mind a healthy dose of 80's Jim Cameron cross-polonization.

I get why some people reject TFA ("Rey flew muh Millennium Falcon, hurrrr!") but RO is the legit shizzle.

 

[ZaCHw117]

logan is the shizzle too tho khev!

 

[jye4ever]

I don't believe that this movie will be easily forgotten even in our accelerated consumption age.

Here's why.

It's SW

It was good enough that we accept the events leading up to SW, unlike the PT where we tried to forget.

The story is embedded in the opening crawl of SW so everytime we watch SW we will think of RO.

The title RO immediately evokes good SW so the movie is already winning just by association.

Nostalia elements worked wonderfully.

Vader's modernization was a resounding success.





Yup, Rogue One is here to stay.

 

[Darth Snoopy]

I have my Rogue One blu-ray on PO and I can't wait to watch it again.

Oh and while I loved watching Logan... RO > Logan in my book. Your mileage may vary.

 

[Khev]

logan is the shizzle too tho khev!

Oh I agree it was good and actually am happy for everyone who genuinely loved it, including jye, DiFabio, SNIKT, and everyone who teared up at the end. Though for it to truly be "the new TDK" then I think it would have needed to have avoided things like evil twins and homicidal grass. Those are major elements of the movie that are just too lacking to truly allow it to be mentioned in hushed breaths alongside Shane, Unforgiven, NCFOM, and yes, even TDK. All IMO of course.

I don't believe that this movie will be easily forgotten even in our accelerated consumption age.

Here's why.

It's SW

It was good enough that we accept the events leading up to SW, unlike the PT were we tried to forget.

The story is embedded in the opening crawl of SW so everytime we watch SW we will think of RO.

The title RO immediately evokes good SW so the movie is already winning just by association.

Nostalia elements worked wonderfully.

Vader's modernization was a resounding success.





Yup, Rogue One is here to stay.

Wow jye, that's what I was eluding to when I said that it will be forever linked to the OT but you said it so much better. And you're absolutely right, I'll forever smile when I read the opening crawl for ANH now (in ways that I didn't before,) Tarkin's death will forever be even more satisfying than before, Vader will also seem even more badass when he steps through the door of Leia's ship. The fun continues when the snowspeeder pilot looking for Han on Hoth identifies himself as "Rogue Two" and so on.

Every moment in the OT that now retro-actively references RO makes the films just that much more enjoyable. You're totally right, regardless of what happens from here on out RO is forever.

 

[DiFabio]

I don't even hate Rogue One or think it's bad or anything, it's just all dull and unimaginative to me. Each year the Star Wars movies become more and more uneventful, repeating the same old beats and scenarios I've seen a dozen times already from the OT to the PT to the games and books. It's like most of the Marvel movies in that regard where I'm in the theater and find them decently enjoyable for the most part, but afterwards, the good memories of it are already fleeting from my brain. It's just all lacking in originality and there's nothing really innovative about Star Wars anymore, especially when there's a new movie every year. It certainly doesn't help when pretty much every prequel ever to exist is just an exhausting chore to see how Wolverine got his jacket, or how the Death Star plans were stolen, or what Anakin was like as a kid or how Bilbo found the ring. For me, it's a Star Wars overload of average, run of the mill movies. They're not great, they're not bad, they have a couple of good scenes, a couple of bad scenes, a couple of goofy scenes and that's about it.


Atleast with Logan I felt like I was seeing an interpretation I hadn't really seen before as far as it's genre. The way it was executed was memorable and done really, really well. It takes a lot to impress me, and Logan did. Now, if Fox and Mangold came out with another rehashed Wolverine movie next year that covered all the same BS I've seen the character experience in the past 9 movies he's been featured in, I'd probably be a little more cynical. Everything needs an ending, especially fairy tale stories like Star Wars. Star Wars needs one the most but I don't think it will ever get one as long as there's $$$ to be milked out of it. Even though I'm not a huge fan of Return of the Jedi or Revenge of the Sith, atleast they ended their chapters in a conclusive way with a nice little bow on top. We're already going into the third movie of the third year of Nu-Star Wars with two more still on the way, and it's just tiring. I don't see how anyone could fall head over heels in love with this new Star Wars stuff, especially if you're like me and grew up with the OT as a kid. It's just like the Marvel movies which have been stretched out over the span of a decade in the form of "phases". I'm sure Infinity Wars won't even have a definitive end. There will always be something else.

 

[jye4ever]

Oh I agree it was good and actually am happy for everyone who genuinely loved it, including jye, DiFabio, SNIKT, and everyone who teared up at the end. Though for it to truly be "the new TDK" then I think it would have needed to have avoided things like evil twins and homicidal grass. Those are major elements of the movie that are just too lacking to truly allow it to be mentioned in hushed breaths alongside Shane, Unforgiven, NCFOM, and yes, even TDK. All IMO of course.



Wow jye, that's what I was eluding to when I said that it will be forever linked to the OT but you said it so much better. And you're absolutely right, I'll forever smile when I read the opening crawl for ANH now (in ways that I didn't before,) Tarkin's death will forever be even more satisfying than before, Vader will also seem even more badass when he steps through the door of Leia's ship. The fun continues when the snowspeeder pilot looking for Han on Hoth identifies himself as "Rogue Two" and so on.

Every moment in the OT that now retro-actively references RO makes the films just that much more enjoyable. You're totally right, regardless of what happens from here on out RO is forever.

It definately has longevity insurance built right in.

Especially since it literally leads right into SW!

Which means that 7/8/9 also does because of the OT cast even with the 32 year gap.

Not for nothing but new SW stresses me out lol.

 

[jye4ever]

I don't even hate Rogue One or think it's bad or anything, it's just all dull and unimaginative to me. Each year the Star Wars movies become more and more uneventful, repeating the same old beats and scenarios I've seen a dozen times already from the OT to the PT to the games and books. It's like most of the Marvel movies in that regard where I'm in the theater and find them decently enjoyable for the most part, but afterwards, the good memories of it are already fleeting from my brain. It's just all lacking in originality and there's nothing really innovative about Star Wars anymore, especially when there's a new movie every year. It certainly doesn't help when pretty much every prequel ever to exist is just an exhausting chore to see how Wolverine got his jacket, or how the Death Star plans were stolen, or what Anakin was like as a kid or how Bilbo found the ring. For me, it's a Star Wars overload of average, run of the mill movies. They're not great, they're not bad, they have a couple of good scenes, a couple of bad scenes, a couple of goofy scenes and that's about it.


Atleast with Logan I felt like I was seeing an interpretation I hadn't really seen before as far as it's genre. The way it was executed was memorable and done really, really well. It takes a lot to impress me, and Logan did. Now, if Fox and Mangold came out with another rehashed Wolverine movie next year that covered all the same BS I've seen the character experience in the past 9 movies he's been featured in, I'd probably be a little more cynical. Everything needs an ending, especially fairy tale stories like Star Wars. Star Wars needs one the most but I don't think it will ever get one as long as there's $$$ to be milked out of it. Even though I'm not a huge fan of Return of the Jedi or Revenge of the Sith, atleast they ended their chapters in a conclusive way with a nice little bow on top. We're already going into the third movie of the third year of Nu-Star Wars with two more still on the way, and it's just tiring. I don't see how anyone could fall head over heels in love with this new Star Wars stuff, especially if you're like me and grew up with the OT as a kid. It's just like the Marvel movies which have been stretched out over the span of a decade in the form of "phases". I'm sure Infinity Wars won't even have a definitive end. There will always be something else.

I 100% agree but i'm just stopping myself short of crossing over into the burned out rinse repeat overload territory that you find yourself in.

Why?

Because my father was a serious grown up who only watched the news and discussed politics and finances.

He was not into the arts and entertainment.

It was so very cold.

I want to be the complete opposite of that for my son plus I just love being a man child anyways.

I welcome the overload with open arms.

But man after IW i'm chilling out with the MCU lol.

 

[Khev]

I 100% agree but i'm just stopping myself short of crossing over into the burned out rinse repeat overload territory that you find yourself in.

Why?

Because my father was a serious grown up who only watched the news and discussed politics and finances.

He was not into the arts and entertainment.

It was so very cold.

I want to be the complete opposite of that for my son plus I just love being a man child anyways.

I welcome the overload with open arms.

But man after IW i'm chilling out with the MCU lol.

Yep, obviously I'm with you there. Like you I agree with DiFabio's sentiments about the over-saturation of pop culture franchises but then with films like TWS, RO, and others it becomes a complete baby/bath water situation. Do I think that studios are milking the hell out of their properties, way too much in fact? A resounding yes. But then do I reject a brilliant movie like RO on the principle that it shouldn't have come out so soon after TFA? I cannot.

So I accept the fact that there are "too many" of these damn things and have decided that it's just up to me to not be a slave to what every studio puts out. Dr. Strange showed me that I can withdraw from the MCU when I think enough is enough. Will I be able to do that with SW? We'll see. As DiFabio said I'm probably in for the long haul "abusive relationship" style. But once LFL starts spitting out two or three SW films a year I'm sure I'll finally hit a breaking point sooner or later. Regardless though unless TLJ and Episode IX are beyond spectacular I'm just going to say that OT + RO is "my" Star Wars and it's done for me and that feels good. As far as I'm concerned there's nothing else the films need to say, nothing else visually that I need to experience, and so forth.

The OT was nice because it was three films; a beginning, middle, and end that came out three years apart. Each film got to breathe and entrench itself in popular culture before the next one arrived. But if I had to choose between the PT approach (a three part story released three years apart like the OT) or the Disney approach (a good or great flick every single year) I'll by far choose the latter. I can always ignore what I don't like but having exactly what I *do* like is a hell of an awesome thing.

 

[jye4ever]

Well said!

The only reason I go to every MCU movie is because i'm in 101% until IW puts a soft cap on it.

A soft cap will be good enough for me.

At least I get my psuedo Planet Hulk and Black Panther in before IW.

But yes I much rather ignore than miss out on a RO.

 

[mrdbios]

I picked up Rogue One digitally today, and can't wait to settle in either tonight or tomorrow to watch it again.

 

[guyver1]

I picked up Rogue One digitally today, and can't wait to settle in either tonight or tomorrow to watch it again.

Kinda of bummed that it looks like no Deleted or extended scenes in the extras

Will that be the same with the blu ray?

 

[Prime Clone]

Each year the Star Wars movies become more and more uneventful, repeating the same old beats and scenarios I've seen a dozen times already from the OT to the PT to the games and books.

Yes, Disney have played it safe so far with the fan service of TFA and RO. But I expect TLJ to be prequel-like in its redefinition of SW (which won't go over well with Simon Pegg or many of the folks here...)

 

[spindrift]

SW films are eye-candy nostalgia trips for us and fun time films for the kids. Harmless fluff- but Ep VIII better be good..

 

[spindrift]

Yes, Disney have played it safe so far with the fan service of TFA and RO. But I expect TLJ to be prequel-like in its redefinition of SW (which won't go over well with Simon Pegg or many of the folks here...)

i sincerely hope not...............