Side by side comparison thread!

[marlindesign]

Picasso's portraits = interpretation = google it....
I don't want no Picasso Bill thank you!!!

 

[turbo.VS.ozone]

Turbo you seem generally upset about this Bill sculpt, I think you are over exaggerating nobody here is insinuating this will replace Rain Man current masterpiece. We here at SSF might have just acquired another amazing sculptor we should be ecstatic over it, and encouraging him or her to stay. I missed out on Rainmans Bill the butcher and wish I had the money to buy it, or somebody would even give me the opportunity to buy one. So for some of us this is just a second chance that we are excited about, and like I said earlier this is just the head sculpt even if I buy this I now have to track someone down to make an outfit, knife kit and a coat, which at this time is impossible!

Believe me, I support your efforts completely. My comments are geared more towards wanting to see some newer stuff, different expressions, advances and techniques with regard to sculpting, 1/6 clothing design etc. It gets pretty boring when you see the same old stuff hashed up over and over again. I just don't get why a sculptor would want to do somthing that's already been done. Having amazing talent but doing replica work? Those Jokers, Bill....it's all been done before and done well.

I'm not a sculptor though and it's not appropriate to suggest that a sculptor do anything other than what they want to do. I'm just saying if it's been done over and over again then there's nothing else left to do but critique it and compare it

 

[marlindesign]

This is true. But I don't think there have been any other Bills like this but VM's.... New stuff would be great though.... One will always be the best and wanted by everyone, but different versions and outfits would mean not much room for comparing so closely, yes...

 

[axecutioner18]

Replica work? You really area connoisseur if there ever was one...

1) Mustache stems are not a signature style. In any sculpt with hair or parts that are fragile and jut out suspended have to be sculpted/casted as a separate piece. Hence the tips of the handlebar moustache have been casted separately. Same reason the falling hair on the sides of Joker has to be casted as a separate piece. Its not some groundbreaking innovation brought by Rainman in a sculpt. Its common sense.

And yeah use some better sized pics. If you see the face shape and details like the nose,and compare it to Rainman's from different angles you will see its quite different.

And really quit with the copy/replica thing. In your logic when it comes to Bale sculpts Ko Jun must have copied from Adam, who must have copied from Yulli, same with Arnie and his Bruce Lees with YJ Park etc etc. Pretty ridiculous if you ask me. Why would a talented sculptor choose to do what he does? Why would he want to do a character someone else has done? Maybe you should ask all the sculptors in the forum because I dont think they have been immune from the desire to sculpt a character which others havent allready. There is something called personal desire. Its not all about pleasing the 'critics'

 

[chubbyman]

god ****ing dammit. So you're saying if Anon sculpted a Bill first, and then RM followed with a release of Bill V1, Rainman would be copying Anon?

 

[marlindesign]

I think everybody knows Turbo is a massive RM supporter, and will argue the point past any true logic.

 

[K.bowen]

the sculpts are completely different, same expression does not mean they are the same, I personally like the one done by the "anonymous" it seems to be very textured, but its estimated at $100-$110 plus another $22 postage, if that ends up being the final price,then no unpainted head is worth that much,

 

[turbo.VS.ozone]

Replica work? You really area connoisseur if there ever was one...

1) Mustache stems are not a signature style. In any sculpt with hair or parts that are fragile and jut out suspended have to be sculpted/casted as a separate piece. Hence the tips of the handlebar moustache have been casted separately. Same reason the falling hair on the sides of Joker has to be casted as a separate piece. Its not some groundbreaking innovation brought by Rainman in a sculpt. Its common sense.

And yeah use some better sized pics. If you see the face shape and details like the nose,and compare it to Rainman's from different angles you will see its quite different.

And really quit with the copy/replica thing. In your logic when it comes to Bale sculpts Ko Jun must have copied from Adam, who must have copied from Yulli, same with Arnie and his Bruce Lees with YJ Park etc etc. Pretty ridiculous if you ask me. Why would a talented sculptor choose to do what he does? Why would he want to do a character someone else has done? Maybe you should ask all the sculptors in the forum because I dont think they have been immune from the desire to sculpt a character which others havent allready. There is something called personal desire. Its not all about pleasing the 'critics'

Axe, stop the Charade man. It's a COPY of Rainmans design/detail...POINT BLANK. You act like that sculpt from your Anonmous sculpter was just something he whipped up using his common sense? Let me guess, he never even knew Rainmans Bill sculpt existed or he's never even seen it right?..... The only common sense he applied was taking cues from Rainmans sculpt and applying it's methods to his attempt at Bill The Butcher. FACT: No one attempted the separation of the Mustache from the actual sculpt until Rainman introduced it first, That's a fact. Your sculptor did it but he did so years after the fact! If this were trademarked or licensed you would have no other option but to operate your business how your operating it now.....underground and anonymous because you'd be Sued for attempting to claim that this particular detail isnt unique to Rainman's sculpt, especially when he did it first! Do your research Expert. Oh and let's stay ON TOPIC we're talking about these 2 particular sculpts, but if you want to briefly discuss the joker...then let's. Based on your "expert" opinion are you willing to also stand by the claim that Yulli wasn't influenced by Adam's laughing joker sculpt? That Adams sculpt and how well it was received wasn't the source of their inspiration for trying it again?*

And axe, the nose is different on the Anonymous sculpt because the likeness is off.

 

[Lejuan]

Trademarked or licensed... irony for the win

 

[turbo.VS.ozone]

Excuse me trademark patent as in patented by Rainman or License as in licensed by another company for it's exclusive use from Rainman. Both parties can show up and sue the **** out of Axe if this were official.

This not being a true scenario however still doesnt mean it isn't a copy, because it is.

 

[elvis1976]

What do you want to prove?
That this sculpt as copied some certains aspect of Rainman sculpt?
Even if certain aspect could look the same at the end of the day who cares!!!

Seriously it's getting boring.

 

[chubbyman]

What do you want to prove?
That this sculpt as copied some certains aspect of Rainman sculpt?
Even if certain aspect could look the same at the ned of the day who cares!!!

Seriously it's getting boring.

Exactly.

 

[turbo.VS.ozone]

What do you want to prove?
That this sculpt as copied some certains aspect of Rainman sculpt?
Even if certain aspect could look the same at the ned of the day who cares!!!

Seriously it's getting boring.

I care. I know you don't care about these things and I know why too. I can forward you the pm if you'd like?

But if your so bored why are you even in the discussion? Your saying it's not worth acknowledging that it doesnt look similar to Rainmans work? That these type of subtle details or designs are not important to the artist as a way to associate themselves with their work and distinguish themselves from the pack?

 

[elvis1976]

To me that sculpt doesn't look similar to the Rainman one. It looks similar becasue it is based on the same charachter and the same expression.

 

[chubbyman]

But at the end of the day, it brings nothing good to the table. NO ONE will be happy that you are raising this issue up, except for maybe yourself. I see you are raising awareness to a possibility scenario that COULD happen, that artists can be "copying" others or sculpt the same character with similar aspects, but you sound agressive and on a personal vendetta to smash this sculpt and subsequently, it's sculptor, to shambles.

 

[elvis1976]

But at the end of the day, it brings nothing good to the table. NO ONE will be happy that you are raising this issue up, except for maybe yourself. I see you are raising awareness to a possibility scenario that COULD happen, that artists can be "copying" others or sculpt the same character with similar aspects, but you sound agressive and on a personal vendetta to smash this sculpt and subsequently, it's sculptor, to shambles.

I agree with this 100%.

 

[Lakhota]

Yeah, I am also pretty much done with this thread. I think if you have some built up energy and frustration I would direct it towards the people stealing from other sculptors by reproducing poor quality molds and then selling them to the general public. I was surprised by the amount of extremely talented sculptors, painters and creators on this site ( Elvis1976, Robbiethepainter, Ski, Rahmier84 etc.) I would hate for them to feel uncomfortable and not creating something due to "worrying" their sculpt might slightly resemble another artist. I am sure the sculptors, painters and creators all talk to one another , I wouldn't be surprised if they had a private group where they discuss their current projects and how it will effect the others. Until the actual creators themselves get upset or post their opinions I wouldn't get too fired up.

get mad at this !!!!!

 

[marlindesign]

To me that sculpt doesn't look similar to the Rainman one. It looks similar becasue it is based on the same charachter and the same expression.

What more can be said???
Discussion over.

 

[turbo.VS.ozone]

But at the end of the day, it brings nothing good to the table. NO ONE will be happy that you are raising this issue up, except for maybe yourself. I see you are raising awareness to a possibility scenario that COULD happen, that artists can be "copying" others or sculpt the same character with similar aspects, but you sound agressive and on a personal vendetta to smash this sculpt and subsequently, it's sculptor, to shambles.

Why doesnt the conversation bring anything good to the table? Is it because your only interested in acquiring the sculpt? Staying quiet only serves your purpose. Simple question: If Anonymous were to pull the plug on this and decide not to offer the sculpt, would you use that as a reason to blame me as well?

Why wasn't he motivated to try a different expression instead? What was his motivation for doing the exact same expression, using similar methods and copying distinct details if it wasn't intended to be competitive in nature to begin with? Rainman opted against doing a smirk for Bickle because his good friend Velvet morning was working on it first? They've done the the same characters but style aside there is something always distinctly unique in it's presentation.

 

[turbo.VS.ozone]

Yeah, I am also pretty much done with this thread. I think if you have some built up energy and frustration I would direct it towards the people stealing from other sculptors by reproducing poor quality molds and then selling them to the general public. I was surprised by the amount of extremely talented sculptors, painters and creators on this site ( Elvis1976, Robbiethepainter, Ski, Rahmier84 etc.) I would hate for them to feel uncomfortable and not creating something due to "worrying" their sculpt might slightly resemble another artist. I am sure the sculptors, painters and creators all talk to one another , I wouldn't be surprised if they had a private group where they discuss their current projects and how it will effect the others. Until the actual creators themselves get upset or post their opinions I wouldn't get too fired up.

get mad at this !!!!!
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Resorting to the recast discussion as as a default point to your argument? How original!

We're not talking about recasting, we're talking about how it's FAIR GAME to compare and critique sculpts if someone is going to attempt to do something that's already been done. How is this any different than Axe comparing a Hottoys Joker to his Anonymous friends joker sculpt? He's taken pictures of it as a side by side comparison for goodness sake. He's trying to show that's it's an improvement or better by doing so. I'm doing the exact same, only difference is the Anonymous Bill no where even near touching Rainmans sculpt in terms of detail or likeness or design. I'm wrong for expressing my opinion on that?