Side by side comparison thread!

[chubbyman]

Why doesnt the conversation bring anything good to the table? Is it because your only interested in acquiring the sculpt? Staying quiet only serves your purpose. Simple question: If Anonymous were to pull the plug on this and decide not to offer the sculpt, would you use that as a reason to blame me?

If Anon decides to pull the plug, I would be skeptical. There are many reasons he/she could pull the plug, guilt from "copying"? Maybe. Offended by some comments here? Maybe. Even if this sculpt isn't offered, I will purchase Rainman's during his next sculpt offering. It does not bother me one single bit. I just think this type of attitude will deter many new talents from joining the forums and offering stuff if people are blatantly acusing one's artistic efforts to be a copy without solid evidence. So to answer your question: No, I would not blame you, I recognize your efforts but I just feel that you took an approach that was a bit too much to the point where it feels like your attacking the sculpt/sculptor.

 

[marlindesign]

If you are so passionate about your argument, Why are you even on the list for the sculpt Turbo?
Isn't it just a copy?

 

[elar]

Well, discussion, which should be tribute to artists, which captured likeness change to discussion about it, that two artist which try make ONE exactly face nailed it so good, that these sculpts look similar? Really? And I don't know, why one can't use method, which work (with moustache). Mainly, when this method is only one, which will work with lower constraints =D In this hobby every steal ideas of other (here mainly from Elvis =D), so what is matter?

 

[axecutioner18]

How is this any different than Axe comparing a Hottoys Joker to his Anonymous friends joker sculpt? He's taken pictures of it as a side by side comparison for goodness sake. He's trying to show that's it's an improvement or better by doing so. I'm doing the exact same, only difference is the Anonymous Bill no where even near touching Rainmans sculpt in terms of detail or likeness or design. I'm wrong for expressing my opinion on that?

OK turbo I concede. I will convey this to the artist that he better not do sculpts of characters that people in the forum use as stock market shares in their minds. Because if he does the investors will go ape**** and call his issuances as fraudulent ones...

 

[turbo.VS.ozone]

If you are so passionate about your argument, Why are you even on the list for the sculpt Turbo?
Isn't it just a copy?

Because I'm not a hater, Marlin. It's a fantastic sculpt, but I have my reservations about it. The thing about the custom art 1/6 community is it's always searching for the next best thing, and by doing so sometimes the older work gets disregarded. The first thing we absorb is the likeness, but what about the design, the technique, the method....the IDEA. This is what's important if 1/6 is ever going to be taken seriously as a legit artform.

Rainmans Bill is the TRUTH.
It's origins define everything true about originality, tecnique, and method.

The logistics of it's design involved sketchpad notes for Heavens Sake! It can be replicated or copied or even used as a form of inspiration. But it must be respected and acknowledged for what it is.....ORIGINAL.


Rainman sketch design; Method and Technique
(This is how great work is curated)

 

[elvis1976]

Ok it stops now Turbo. I think everybody got your point.
I sincerely advise you to stop now.

 

[axecutioner18]

So tell me like you which member has been on a tirade to disregard or vilify or downplay or disrespect Rainman's offering or not acknowledge its quality?
You have been on and on about the sculpt. Everyone expressed their interest in it without mentioning rainman with any disrespect, everyone tool it simply for what it is. A sculpt of a character.

You took it as a personal crusade to 'prove' this sculpt is inferior. Whereas no one has bothered to compare it and have taken it simply for what it is. One expressed their opinion. But you have gone beyond that. The sheer effort you have taken to keep this up seems like a campaign.

 

[turbo.VS.ozone]

OK turbo I concede. I will convey this to the artist that he better not do sculpts of characters that people in the forum use as stock market shares in their minds. Because if he does the investors will go ape**** and call his issuances as fraudulent ones...

That's a personal attack Axe. I have never sold a Bill or made a profit from one. In fact I'm desperetly looking for one right now. If your going to make that accusation then point the fingers at those who have traded or sold this particular figure. Either way it's legit man, its value to 1/6 holds weight. Nothing can hurt this figure or it's controversial value or uncanny likeness to DDL.

Anymous shouldn't be detered by that, he should try and make his mark to.

So tell me like you which member has been on a tirade to disregard or vilify or downplay or disrespect Rainman's offering or not acknowledge its quality?
You have been on and on about the sculpt. Everyone expressed their interest in it without mentioning rainman with any disrespect, everyone tool it simply for what it is. A sculpt of a character.

You took it as a personal crusade to 'prove' this sculpt is inferior. Whereas no one has bothered to compare it and have taken it simply for what it is. One expressed their opinion. But you have gone beyond that. The sheer effort you have taken to keep this up seems like a campaign.

If I remember correctly it was you who decided to take this personal. All my first initial comment contained was my interest in the sculpt and my feelings that it looked like a copy. Did you want me to choose a gentler word than copy to describe my sentiment? The personal crusade or campaign you claim I'm on were only responses to you when you decided to quote me and engage in that topic. You felt my responses were inappropriate because you didn't agree with them and as a result you had them and other members opinions deleted as well. You dont get to disregard another mans thoughts and disrespect his words by having them deleted and not expect the consequences of that. This is off topic but again I'm only answering your question.

 

[axecutioner18]

If I remember correctly it was you who decided to take this personal. All my first initial comment contained was my interest in the sculpt and my feelings that it looked like a copy. Did you want me to choose a gentler word than copy to describe my sentiment? The personal crusade or campaign you claim I'm on were only responses to you when you decided to quote me and engage in that topic. You felt my responses were inappropriate because you didn't agree with them and as a result you had them and other members opinions deleted as well. You dont get to disregard another mans thoughts and disrespect his words by having them deleted and not expect the consequences of that. This is off topic but again I'm only answering your question.

I didn't get specific posts deleted. Get that fact right. I asked the mods the clean the thread which was derailing the intent and delete whatever they deem fit.
They deleted what they felt was best.

Don't mention what you dont have any factual knowledge about. Yes I did take offence at copy. Any sane man would.

 

[turbo.VS.ozone]

I didn't get specific posts deleted. Get that fact right. I asked the mods the clean the thread which was derailing the intent and delete whatever they deem fit.
They deleted what they felt was best.

Don't mention what you dont have any factual knowledge about. Yes I did take offence at copy. Any sane man would.

Ok so if it isn't a copy what is it......original? How would you describe it.....inspired? You haven't answered that question but you love do side by side comparisons. So which do you think is more accurate? Be honest remember honest.

Whatever man, to me it looks a copy of an original.
Don't try and fight me on this Axe....Deal with it, otherwise we can keep debating it and you already know how I get down...

 

[elar]

Both are copy...

 

[turbo.VS.ozone]

Ok it stops now Turbo. I think everybody got your point.
I sincerely advise you to stop now.

I agree. It stops now. Just please respect my thought and my words. Nothing contained in this conversation has disrespected the boundaries of The Forum Guidlines. Conversation over as you request.

 

[axecutioner18]

Ok so if it isn't a copy what is it......original? How would you describe it.....inspired? You haven't answered that question but you love do side by side comparisons. So which do you think is more accurate? Be honest remember honest.

Whatever man, to me it looks a copy of an original.
Don't try and fight me on this Axe....Deal with it.

Hahaha fight you? Lol the only one 'fighting' for something is you. So much that even mods have to tell you to shut up.

You could have posted your opinion once... But you went on and on and on moving it to another thread with your supposed motive being only to educate people since you have been entrusted that responsibility by the powers that be.

 

[Leon 911]

Seriously people are discussing imitation of an artists work... An unlicensed work...
Can anyone point me the thread where this sculpt list is on. I want in on it...

 

[Leon 911]

I agree. It stops now. Just please respect my thought and my words. Nothing contained in this conversation has disrespected the boundaries of The Forum Guidlines. Conversation over as you request.

Might be a good time, you use your youtube skills and post that "hate clip" for your self... ... Dont worry along with 10 others you will have me liking it too ...

 

[turbo.VS.ozone]

Price (Estimated based on previous project)
Unpainted ($100-110)
Painted ($280)
Shipping $22 via Expedited/Express Mail Service (EMS with tracking)

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$280 dollars for that sculpt.....How dare you insult us like that Take me off that list.....immediately. Thanks but im good, I'll stick with Rainmans.

 

[Leon 911]

Huh? My YouTube skills? What? way off topic. We're comparing sculpts which looks more accurate to you Leon?

On topic.... You dont want a DDL sculpt to look like something else wld u... Also, personally, whoever is investing on these as stocks and bonds need to understand that there are no rights to an unlicensed product. If someone does a good job at a sculpt, another person has a right to make another version or a Similar version, it's not a copy period. If someone bought a license may be it wld be a different case.
I have a simple theory in life, stay away from lawyers as they tend to get very sleazy... But even a 50 dollar lawyer will laugh if you call or tag this as a copy...
To me it looks like a pretty good sculpt and yes not a copy.

 

[turbo.VS.ozone]

Hahahahaha!! What? Dude what are you talking about stocks and bonds? we're talking about comparing the likeness of two sculpts and if one looks like a copy of an original. Besides you just supported my point that if Rainmans were patented or licensed for private use, than that anonymous sculpt could very well be considered a copy, so thanks for supporting that point I already made some pages ago...hahahahaha!

On topic.... You dont want a DDL sculpt to look like something else wld u... Also, personally, whoever is investing on these as stocks and bonds need to understand that there are no rights to an unlicensed product. If someone does a good job at a sculpt, another person has a right to make another version or a Similar version, it's not a copy period. If someone bought a license may be it wld be a different case.
I have a simple theory in life, stay away from lawyers as they tend to get very sleazy... But even a 50 dollar lawyer will laugh if you call or tag this as a copy...
To me it looks like a pretty good sculpt and yes not a copy.

 

[Leon 911]

Looks like copy of original? ... So you wanted a Rambo sculpt as bill the butcher? ... Or may be the artist should have cut his mustache short for you to make it not look like a copy...
Its a very good sculpt and not a copy... Period... Expensive but not a copy. Respect to the artist. In fact if someone is doing a clothing set run, i dont mind getting on the list...

Hahahahaha!! What? Dude what are talking about stocks and bonds, we're talking about comparing the likeness of two sculpts and if one looks like a copy of an original. Besides you just supported my point that if Rainmans were patented or licensed for private use, than that anonymous sculpt could very well be considered a copy, so thanks for supporting that point I already made some pages ago...hahahahaha!

 

[turbo.VS.ozone]

This is the definition of the word:

And this is what we're debating:

If your attempting to artistically create something EXACTLY like something that already exists how else would you define it? I don't understand why some of y'all refuse to admit this. It's not philosophical..it's defined in black and white!