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That Goonies scene buried the movie for me. I was waiting for Sloth to show up and where is the Cyndi Lauper song?
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I heard in the Abrams cut when Ben takes off from the Death Star wreckage in the antique TIE the sheriff says "Holy Mary Mother of God..."
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I heard in the Abrams cut when Ben takes off from the Death Star wreckage in the antique TIE the sheriff says "Holy Mary Mother of God..."
Didn't Rey find One Eyed willow in the cave and tame it? She didn't need the dagger for that.
Apparently when Finn and Jannah were swimming out to help Rey there was this big octopus sequence but it got cut, lol.
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Apparently when Finn and Jannah were swimming out to help Rey there was this big octopus sequence but it got cut, lol.
You guys are really running with this... geez...
When I say ?clips? I don?t mean 2 minute things on youtube... I mean I watched it in like 20 minute increments start to finish, skipped ahead at times with stuff I didn?t care about. Eventually went and watched those scenes back (like Reylo, ughhh).
So, it would be great if everyone in this thread could stop saying ?YoU dIdNt SeE iT? or ?no credibility lolz? because I did, just not ?in full? aka one sitting. You guys are sitting here knocking me and I had to explain how scenes went down to you at times (the Han/Ben moment).
Maybe you guys are good intentioned saying I never gave myself a chance to like it, but I?m not you guys. I?m the only one in this thread who actually has read 95% of the old EU novels/comics. That was my Star Wars. I think you all forgot that fact or just didn?t know.
I was never going to like TROS. Went in blind for TFA. Initially enjoyed. More I watched, the more I realized I deluded myself into liking it because Star Wars. Went in blind to TLJ. Hated it. Trilogy was officially killed. There was no redemption for TROS. You guys can say ?well you don?t know that because you never gave yourself the chance? but I do know myself and I did gave myself a chance to enjoy this trilogy with TFA and TLJ.
I can?t like the last movie in a trilogy when I don?t like the first two. I just can?t. It?s not how I think. I?m stubborn. I?m entitled. I?m bitter with what they did. I can?t pick and choose what to like in a trilogy, I view them all as one. I have no interest in Disney?s version. None. I don?t care about Rey. I don?t really care about Kylo, especially now since he is dead. I liked Finn, but they ruined him. And as I said before, they ruined Han/Leia/Luke. How I am a supposed to like a movie, when they ruined characters and killed them off and focused on characters I don?t like and can never fix it?
When I say ?clips? I don?t mean 2 minute things on youtube... I mean I watched it in like 20 minute increments start to finish, skipped ahead at times with stuff I didn?t care about. Eventually went and watched those scenes back (like Reylo, ughhh).
So, it would be great if everyone in this thread could stop saying ?YoU dIdNt SeE iT? or ?no credibility lolz? because I did, just not ?in full? aka one sitting. You guys are sitting here knocking me and I had to explain how scenes went down to you at times (the Han/Ben moment).
Maybe you guys are good intentioned saying I never gave myself a chance to like it, but I?m not you guys. I?m the only one in this thread who actually has read 95% of the old EU novels/comics. That was my Star Wars. I think you all forgot that fact or just didn?t know.
I was never going to like TROS. Went in blind for TFA. Initially enjoyed. More I watched, the more I realized I deluded myself into liking it because Star Wars. Went in blind to TLJ. Hated it. Trilogy was officially killed. There was no redemption for TROS. You guys can say ?well you don?t know that because you never gave yourself the chance? but I do know myself and I did gave myself a chance to enjoy this trilogy with TFA and TLJ.
I can?t like the last movie in a trilogy when I don?t like the first two. I just can?t. It?s not how I think. I?m stubborn. I?m entitled. I?m bitter with what they did. I can?t pick and choose what to like in a trilogy, I view them all as one. I have no interest in Disney?s version. None. I don?t care about Rey. I don?t really care about Kylo, especially now since he is dead. I liked Finn, but they ruined him. And as I said before, they ruined Han/Leia/Luke. How I am a supposed to like a movie, when they ruined characters and killed them off and focused on characters I don?t like and can never fix it?
I'm perhaps a bit more indifferent at this point because I've been accustomed to not liking new Star Wars films since the early 2000s - it's no longer a big deal to me when another crap one comes along but - I basically agree with this paragraph. After writing off TFA and TLJ it was always unlikely I'd embrace TROS - I saw it in full - and sure enough I didn't care for it. I don't feel like I set myself up to not like it - the prior 2 movies set me up to not like it
Then by your own admission you still have no credibility with regard to any commentary on TROS. You just stated that you're literally incapable of recognizing whether it was a good movie or not. Hell apparently it could have been better than ESB but since you hated the first two you'd be too blindly "stubborn" and "entitled" to ever acknowledge it.
For whatever it's worth this isn't actually new information for me, I've been well aware of your perspective for quite some time. I'm just glad you're able to come out and say it.
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I'm perhaps a bit more indifferent at this point because I've been accustomed to not liking new Star Wars films since the early 2000s - it's no longer a big deal to me when another crap one comes along but - I basically agree with this paragraph. After writing off TFA and TLJ it was always unlikely I'd embrace TROS - I saw it in full - and sure enough I didn't care for it. I don't feel like I set myself up to not like it - the prior 2 movies set me up to not like it
My exact thoughts as well. I gave myself a real chance to like this trilogy, I really did, but the other 2 movies failed me from doing so.
I think it is a insulting line of saying I have no credibility. It doesn?t stop flaws from existing in that movie that anybody can see. It?s like you are saying ?you have no credibility la la la la can?t hear the legitimate points you?ve made la la la la.?
I was very capable of recognizing if TROS would be a good film or not, just so happens TFA/TLJ did it for me.
To pretend anyone in this thread isn?t stubborn or bitter is funny.
Like... geezus christ we are in here arguing about the PT/OT/ST years and months later still . We are all bitter or at least were to one trilogy. We certainly are stubborn. Everyday we act like our word is fact Has anyone in this thread relented more than one point or drastically swayed someone to the other side or even a neutral side? I think you are viewing TROS as a separate entity. You are acting as if it can stand on it?s own. It can?t, at least for me. Every thing in TROS is influenced by the past 2 movies, everything. And thus it is impacted by those events and impacts the quality of the movie.
If you can somehow view TROS as disconnected from TFA/TLJ, good for you. I can?t.
I haven’t seen that yet. Thanks for posting it.
Park/Witwer is the perfect Maul combo. I’d love to see a live action version of that Maul again beyond a cameo.
Why only 20 min at a time? Were you just pirating 20 min at a time?
I don't doubt that you would end up unhappy about this film. But you never gave that film on its own merits a chance and then proceeded to complain about it. You decided you would hate it. You then read everything about it and then you proceeded to watch it pirated 20 min at a time.. Why even watch it on D+ just watch the version you have?
Sorry that your EU got destroyed. I can somewhat relate because my Vader was ruined for me after the PT. Ruined how much i enjoyed the OT until RO came along and helped make Vader cool again.
I can also relate because I hated TFA and TLJ... No good will from me with TFA. I know a bad Star Wars movie when i see it.. I had already lived through 3 of them. TLJ was basically mostly crap. I was done with SW.
Its too bad you couldn't let go of you your bias and just give the film a chance. I loved the film. Its far from perfect. Its nowhere near as good as ANH or ESB but it was the most Star Warsy movie since ROTJ and best of all it seemed to know that TFA and TROS were misguided.
You may have still hated it but at least you would have done it the right way.
I'm perhaps a bit more indifferent at this point because I've been accustomed to not liking new Star Wars films since the early 2000s - it's no longer a big deal to me when another crap one comes along but - I basically agree with this paragraph. After writing off TFA and TLJ it was always unlikely I'd embrace TROS - I saw it in full - and sure enough I didn't care for it. I don't feel like I set myself up to not like it - the prior 2 movies set me up to not like it
I get that.
But you also didn't go out of your way to make sure you knew everything about the film and watch it in 20 min sections. Perhaps in or perhaps out of order (who knows)
Or maybe you did.. In that case shame on you
I get this too.
*reads Khev's response to same paragraph I had responded to*
''Der is one more credibility chip'' *points to own head* ''.....and it must be destroyed also....''
Has anyone in this thread relented more than one point or drastically swayed someone to the other side or even a neutral side?
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I have...
I have repeatedly stated that I get the dislike for the ST. I also stated I can understand why TROS might fix the ST for some.
I still don't think I can ever enjoy TLJ fully. Just too much to dislike. But the way TROS is filmed I could almost skip it.. Not that I am a fan of TFA.
I have agreed with peoples issues about TROS and stated my issues with it.
I even watched the PT again and gave it props where it was deserved. Hell I was a defender of the PT when TFA came out because I didn't think it was as good as those films.
I can even understand you not being able to separate TROS from the other two. But dude you have to give it a chance or just dnt watch it at all. For the record Khev and Jye have pretty much liked them all, though Khev did start to turn on TLJ.
I was the one who felt the ST was saved with TROS because issues that I had with the other two films were fixed by TROS. Maybe they would not have been if I went with my initial feeling that it was going to suck and then i read everything about it before watching it in pieces
Oh well.
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I agree with ducky that there is no way you can suddenly like the third installment and final of a franchise after you didn?t like the first two. By the second movie you should be invested in the characters and lore. I can?t understand how this movie fixes problems for some. It was a rushed mess that anybody could see. The trailers showed it and leaks aswell.
That?s like me hating on Harry Potter but I watch the very last movie and suddenly it all clicks for me and I love it. I?m sorry that doesn?t make sense. If I?m not invested by the second film then nothing will get me to change my mind. Especially if it?s poorly written and thrown together. It has to be a complete overhaul or a change up in the story .
That?s why I feel like some just kinda convince themselves they liked this movie cause it can?t get any better than what they got.
That?s like me hating on Harry Potter but I watch the very last movie and suddenly it all clicks for me and I love it. I?m sorry that doesn?t make sense. If I?m not invested by the second film then nothing will get me to change my mind. Especially if it?s poorly written and thrown together. It has to be a complete overhaul or a change up in the story .
That?s why I feel like some just kinda convince themselves they liked this movie cause it can?t get any better than what they got.
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I have...
I have repeatedly stated that I get the dislike for the ST. I also stated I can understand why TROS might fix the ST for some.
I still don't think I can ever enjoy TLJ fully. Just too much to dislike. But the way TROS is filmed I could almost skip it.. Not that I am a fan of TFA.
I have agreed with peoples issues about TROS and stated my issues with it.
I even watched the PT again and gave it props where it was deserved. Hell I was a defender of the PT when TFA came out because I didn't think it was as good as those films.
I can even understand you not being able to separate TROS from the other two. But dude you have to give it a chance or just dnt watch it at all. For the record Khev and Jye have pretty much liked them all, though Khev did start to turn on TLJ.
I was the one who felt the ST was saved with TROS because issues that I had with the other two films were fixed by TROS. Maybe they would not have been if I went with my initial feeling that it was going to suck and then i read everything about it before watching it in pieces
Oh well.
See I don?t understand this at all. TROS didn?t fix anything it just made it worse . I could see from a mile away the lazy thrown together story and how they didn?t have a plan. I don?t understand how you weren?t invested at first but this movie just brings it together. It baffles me. Nothing feels earned or explained.
Tros has the best lightsaber duel of all time enough said. Everyone who hates the st, pt and ot zealots included, have to admit this. I love the ot but the lightsaber duels left much to be desired in terms of fight choreography.
In new hope, obi wan and vader looked like they were barely fighting, the sabers barely clashed and when they did it didn't seem like there was any force behind it. It looked more like they were swordfighting with their cocks then lightsabers. All their attacks were slow, deliberate, and gentle. More importantly it lacked any kind of urgency or raw emotion outside of those emotions conveyed thru Luke when his master died. Hell they barely even moved the whole fight.
The Empire duel was much better than a new hope, it was more aggressive. Luke was attacking like a wild man, whinging his saber with force from side to side like a true untrained derranged barbarian. Vader toyed with him for most of the fight using simple countering techniques and when needed provided equally powerful swings. The problem with this duel is it looked like 2 untrained swordsmen trying to kill each other once they both truely engaged, it was pure brute force, no real fluidity or elegance in their attacks- nothing that would impress you or say damn that dude knows how to handle a saber. Ive actually seen more sophisticated duels with fake sabers on youtube. Granted you could feel lukes emotion as he contronts vader so it had more emotional weight then the new hope duel, but it still lacked the sense of urgency, which is most likely due to vader not fully committing to the fight. They did no look like skilled, elegant fighters instead they relied on what looked like raw wild emotion.
Return of the jedi duel was pretty much the same as empire, except luke spent more time hiding which led to a shorter duel. Once vader triggers him he goes compeltely ape****, using the same barbaric wild forceful attack style he used previously, just with a bit more hate fueling his wild attacks..Vaders head wasnt fully in the game and he reaponds with an even weaker attempt to defend himself, almost reminded me of untrained finn fighting kylo in tfa. Both the empire and rotj duals lacked the elegance and skill with a saber you would expect from a trained lightsaber wielder, especially one as skilled as Vader at this point.
While the OT had two little fight choreography the PT went way overboard. The phantom menace duel was the best one of the pt, it had the same level of emotion and intensity as the Best OT fights but much better fight choreography. The fighters (all three of them) actually looked like experts in their craft. They fought with power when needed, but also with a refined elegance you?d expect from one who has honed their skills and mastered a fighting technique.
Attack of the clones duels weren't vey memorable at all, most of the jedi fights in the arena ended so fast barely anything happened long enough to resonate, it was a swing here or blaster to the chest there. The anakin dooku fight was terrible, for some dumb reason they decided to shoot the whole duel with closeup face shots, so all we got was a blue and red light show on the actors faces then anakin falling to the ground with his hand apparently chopped off. The dooku yoda saber fight could have been good but we will never know cause it lasted like 2 seconds.
Revenge of the dancing sith. George compeletely lost it with these fights, they may be cool to watch the first time sround but upon second vewing youll notice the flaws and how utterly unbelievable thenfighting (dancing) is. Anakin and dooku part 2 started off ok, you could feel the emotional weight behind thier clashes, anakin used some very advanced saber techniques, but it ended too fast. I would argue this is probably the best duel in rots (followed by yoda and palptine and mace vs palpatine.. The obi vs grevious duel was too many close ups again so you cant really see the action. Obi swings a few times then it immediately cuts to close up of grevious hand being magically chopped off, this hapoens what 3 more time and then grevious runs from the fight. The duel between anakin and obi wan- is where george really lost his mind. There is alot of wonderful lightsaber techniques on display but it looked like they were more concerned with pulling off these amazing moves then actually trying to kill each other. Twirling blades around behind thier backs, thier heads while the other is doing the same ****ing thing- leaving each other completely open and vulnerable to an easy stab right in the gut (that never happens and there were many opportunities in that 25 min dance off). There was no real sense of urgency or emotion until the very end when the fighting stopped for like 2 seconds before obi chops his legs off. The majority of that fight was a lightsaber dance off. Mace vs palpatine started off bad when palps easily killed the other jedi in a blink of an eye, but the fight itself reminded me of the OT fights, except with a bit more urgency as both wanted to kill each others. They mainly relied on raw powerful swings to take down thier foe. Palptaine mixed in a few of his trademark stab moves. You could feel the urgency and emotion in this fight. Yoda vs palpatine is a tuff one. Its a guilty pleasure for me, Ii know its dumb as hell seeing yoda twirling around like that and palpatine cackling and hissing and doing is dumb little stabs but its also good mindless fun, i cannot objectively rate this fight
Sequel trilogy. Tfa had a very ot reminiscent saber fight between ray and kylo. Kylo used a few cool saber techniques when he made quick work of finn. The rey vs kylo fight part was almost exactly like the luke vs vader fights. You could feel the intensity and power and emotion in her wild swings and stabs while kylo was toying with her (much like vader did luke). When she let the force in she finally busted out some pretty cool saber moves. Didnt take much or last long once that happened
Tlj- there is no lightsaber duel in this movie, the only of the 9 skywalker films not to feature one-fail
Rise of skywalker- the duel on the wreckage is by far the most intense and emotionally raw fight in the whole saga.you could tell they both wanted to kill each other, neither was holding back, the camera angle was perfect (no crazy close ups) allowed the viewer to take it in, in all its glory. This fight had it all; wild powerful swings, spectacular counters and a level of saber/swordsmanship mastery not seen any other star wars film. There was no lightsaber dancing, every attack had the intent to maim and or kill. It was fast paced, it was brutal its was perfectly choreographed. It also lasted the perfect amount of time, it wasn't too short like some of the other better duals and it wasnt a ****ing 24 minute epic dancing with the “lightsaber” stars competition like obi & anakin
In new hope, obi wan and vader looked like they were barely fighting, the sabers barely clashed and when they did it didn't seem like there was any force behind it. It looked more like they were swordfighting with their cocks then lightsabers. All their attacks were slow, deliberate, and gentle. More importantly it lacked any kind of urgency or raw emotion outside of those emotions conveyed thru Luke when his master died. Hell they barely even moved the whole fight.
The Empire duel was much better than a new hope, it was more aggressive. Luke was attacking like a wild man, whinging his saber with force from side to side like a true untrained derranged barbarian. Vader toyed with him for most of the fight using simple countering techniques and when needed provided equally powerful swings. The problem with this duel is it looked like 2 untrained swordsmen trying to kill each other once they both truely engaged, it was pure brute force, no real fluidity or elegance in their attacks- nothing that would impress you or say damn that dude knows how to handle a saber. Ive actually seen more sophisticated duels with fake sabers on youtube. Granted you could feel lukes emotion as he contronts vader so it had more emotional weight then the new hope duel, but it still lacked the sense of urgency, which is most likely due to vader not fully committing to the fight. They did no look like skilled, elegant fighters instead they relied on what looked like raw wild emotion.
Return of the jedi duel was pretty much the same as empire, except luke spent more time hiding which led to a shorter duel. Once vader triggers him he goes compeltely ape****, using the same barbaric wild forceful attack style he used previously, just with a bit more hate fueling his wild attacks..Vaders head wasnt fully in the game and he reaponds with an even weaker attempt to defend himself, almost reminded me of untrained finn fighting kylo in tfa. Both the empire and rotj duals lacked the elegance and skill with a saber you would expect from a trained lightsaber wielder, especially one as skilled as Vader at this point.
While the OT had two little fight choreography the PT went way overboard. The phantom menace duel was the best one of the pt, it had the same level of emotion and intensity as the Best OT fights but much better fight choreography. The fighters (all three of them) actually looked like experts in their craft. They fought with power when needed, but also with a refined elegance you?d expect from one who has honed their skills and mastered a fighting technique.
Attack of the clones duels weren't vey memorable at all, most of the jedi fights in the arena ended so fast barely anything happened long enough to resonate, it was a swing here or blaster to the chest there. The anakin dooku fight was terrible, for some dumb reason they decided to shoot the whole duel with closeup face shots, so all we got was a blue and red light show on the actors faces then anakin falling to the ground with his hand apparently chopped off. The dooku yoda saber fight could have been good but we will never know cause it lasted like 2 seconds.
Revenge of the dancing sith. George compeletely lost it with these fights, they may be cool to watch the first time sround but upon second vewing youll notice the flaws and how utterly unbelievable thenfighting (dancing) is. Anakin and dooku part 2 started off ok, you could feel the emotional weight behind thier clashes, anakin used some very advanced saber techniques, but it ended too fast. I would argue this is probably the best duel in rots (followed by yoda and palptine and mace vs palpatine.. The obi vs grevious duel was too many close ups again so you cant really see the action. Obi swings a few times then it immediately cuts to close up of grevious hand being magically chopped off, this hapoens what 3 more time and then grevious runs from the fight. The duel between anakin and obi wan- is where george really lost his mind. There is alot of wonderful lightsaber techniques on display but it looked like they were more concerned with pulling off these amazing moves then actually trying to kill each other. Twirling blades around behind thier backs, thier heads while the other is doing the same ****ing thing- leaving each other completely open and vulnerable to an easy stab right in the gut (that never happens and there were many opportunities in that 25 min dance off). There was no real sense of urgency or emotion until the very end when the fighting stopped for like 2 seconds before obi chops his legs off. The majority of that fight was a lightsaber dance off. Mace vs palpatine started off bad when palps easily killed the other jedi in a blink of an eye, but the fight itself reminded me of the OT fights, except with a bit more urgency as both wanted to kill each others. They mainly relied on raw powerful swings to take down thier foe. Palptaine mixed in a few of his trademark stab moves. You could feel the urgency and emotion in this fight. Yoda vs palpatine is a tuff one. Its a guilty pleasure for me, Ii know its dumb as hell seeing yoda twirling around like that and palpatine cackling and hissing and doing is dumb little stabs but its also good mindless fun, i cannot objectively rate this fight
Sequel trilogy. Tfa had a very ot reminiscent saber fight between ray and kylo. Kylo used a few cool saber techniques when he made quick work of finn. The rey vs kylo fight part was almost exactly like the luke vs vader fights. You could feel the intensity and power and emotion in her wild swings and stabs while kylo was toying with her (much like vader did luke). When she let the force in she finally busted out some pretty cool saber moves. Didnt take much or last long once that happened
Tlj- there is no lightsaber duel in this movie, the only of the 9 skywalker films not to feature one-fail
Rise of skywalker- the duel on the wreckage is by far the most intense and emotionally raw fight in the whole saga.you could tell they both wanted to kill each other, neither was holding back, the camera angle was perfect (no crazy close ups) allowed the viewer to take it in, in all its glory. This fight had it all; wild powerful swings, spectacular counters and a level of saber/swordsmanship mastery not seen any other star wars film. There was no lightsaber dancing, every attack had the intent to maim and or kill. It was fast paced, it was brutal its was perfectly choreographed. It also lasted the perfect amount of time, it wasn't too short like some of the other better duals and it wasnt a ****ing 24 minute epic dancing with the “lightsaber” stars competition like obi & anakin
I ate lunch and watched it. Done with lunch, stopped the movie. Rinse and repeat until I was finished with it. Eating food made it go down easier.
It can't exist on its own merits because it is the continuation of two previous movies.
I can't find it and I rather watch it in my living room on the big TV.
I didn't want to hate the ST. I really didn't. I wish I liked it, but alas...
I think it was BVS where I didn't really care for what I was seeing in the trailers and I went into the theater and walked out liking it far more than I would have imagined. So, I can change my mind and give things a chance... but not this.
Exactly. It's the same for any franchise with me. If I don't like the first movie, why would I watch another? Say I was already invested in the franchise and didn't like two sequels... how does the third fix it?
I can't imagine watching and hating the first few Potter films then come Deathly Hallows (the last one) it suddenly fixing everything.
No, I don't have to admit it. It was the best duel of the ST, I'll admit that, but still near the bottom of all time duels for me. I still go with Duel of the Fates or Kenobi/Anakin. Bunch of TCW and other animated duels I enjoyed too.
I agree with this. Just dub this in... I love this version of the duel.
That was the point of that duel, the emotion behind it. Not every lightsaber duel has to be a masterpiece. The fact that the ESB duel wasn't it what makes it so great to me, because the emotional impact and stakes behind it.
I think Luke should have been more refined as a saber master. I do agree it was another ESB line of tugging on emotions and stakes. I feel like ROTJ duel could have had both the emotion/stakes and a longer more epic duel.
The training for that duel was nuts and Ray Park is awesome. Probably is the best duel of the PT for a majority.
I didn't like the Dooku/Anakin duel either. It was stupid. Hurts my eyes.
I still liked Yoda/Dooku though, even if it was somewhat short.
ROTS duels were all awesome. You got a sense of epic-ness with them all. I think the Mace/Palpatine fight was done in a single day with someone not showing up, so Ian had to do that fight himself... could be wrong here, but it turned out well nonetheless. I ado agree that it had an OT feel to it, more methodical of sorts, slowed down. Like they were both measuring themselves. Plus I think Palpatine was biding his time the whole fight knowing that Anakin would come.
Yoda/Palpatine was even better than Mace/Palpatine. The epic senate duel battle chucking the pods at each other. Only problem I have with it is that it cuts in and out. I wish we got the full Yoda/Palps duel then the full Anakin/Kenobi duel, both continuous.
This is how I initially viewed that fight... guess I still kind of do see it like this still. Only problem I have with it is that Kylo was then being beaten by an untrained Rey. His injury should have gave him strength with the Dark Side. I just don't like the outcome.
I kind of wish they had Luke in it to be begin with and toying with Kylo, then Kylo going full dark side mode and battled Luke off. Put Rey in Finn's position, let her do some blocks or attacks as Kylo toys with her, then slices her down the back.
Yeah, that was a joke. You should watch the breakdown of the Throne Room battle, just terrible choreography and terribly edited.
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