The Avengers: The Motion Picture Discussion Thread- Open SPOILERS -enter at own risk!

[ExMem-LarjaThwei]

I disagree with this. They clearly seemed to give Stark more attention than the other to my eyes. Obviously, they tried to spread the focus around a bit, but Stark seemed to get more lines and better lines, he was smarter, funnier, and more clever than all the other guys, he got to be the real hero at the very end, etc. It makes sense though, because he's the most popular character in that movie-verse.

I think this is a case of Stark just being Stark.

I think he naturally catches everyone's attention more because of his character's personality..but I don't think he was treated any more important than the other characters, minus the nuclear bomb scene.

 

[karamazov80]

They could have made Banner smarter than Stark when it came to some of the gamma radiation stuff, but Stark appeared to be even smarter than Banner. They could have had Hawkeye or Cap give Stark a real zinger that just shut him up, but instead Stark always seemed to have the last word, and was never wrong about anything. He was giving Banner advice on how to overcome his psychological issues. He had to teach Cap about not trusting Fury. He was figuring everything out. He was the hero at the end.

Yeah, other guys had their moments--like Cap leading the team, somehow breaking up the Iron Man/Thor fight (though I'm not sure why the fight ended the way it did exactly) and figuring out about the weapons using his instincts and stealth instead of hacking into computers. Or Widow outsmarting Loki. Or Hulk being awesome. But Stark's positives were all over the place and overwhelmed the contributions and abilities of the other team members.

 

[jye4ever]

They could have made Banner smarter than Stark when it came to some of the gamma radiation stuff, but Stark appeared to be even smarter than Banner. They could have had Hawkeye or Cap give Stark a real zinger that just shut him up, but instead Stark always seemed to have the last word, and was never wrong about anything. He was giving Banner advice on how to overcome his psychological issues. He had to teach Cap about not trusting Fury. He was figuring everything out. He was the hero at the end.

Yeah, other guys had their moments--like Cap leading the team, somehow breaking up the Iron Man/Thor fight (though I'm not sure why the fight ended the way it did exactly) and figuring out about the weapons using his instincts and stealth instead of hacking into computers. Or Widow outsmarting Loki. Or Hulk being awesome. But Stark's positives were all over the place and overwhelmed the contributions and abilities of the other team members.

You forgot that he was the only Avenger who truly stopped the invasion by self sacrifice into space, annnnnnnd, he was the last Avenger to be seen before the credits.

IM3 was a great movie wasn't it.

 

[plasmid303]

Remember that argument between Cap and Tony? Tony had the 'oh snap!' line: "Everything that you are came from a bottle." -- Or something to that effect.

I wish Cap had a better come back. He just says "put on the suit."

edit: Yeah, I agree with Kara, Tony certainly had the lion's share of scenes in this movie. Undeniable.

 

[jye4ever]

Remember that argument between Cap and Tony? Tony had the "oh snap" line: "Everything that you are came from a bottle." -- Or something to that effect.

I wish Cap had a better come back. He just says "put on the suit."

edit: Yeah, I agree with Kara, Tony certainly had the lion's share of scenes in this movie. Undeniable.

But not the best.

Hulk wins that hands down.

 

[plasmid303]

Now that I think about it, I wish Cap would'nt have instigated a fistfight between himself and Tony. You'd think he wouldn't have been so easy to be pushed over the edge like that, being the leader and whatnot.

But not the best.

Hulk wins that hands down.

That goes without saying! I'm still convinced the best scene in the entire movie, and the best for the Banner character in any movie was "I'm always angry".

 

[jye4ever]

Now that I think about it, I wish Cap would'nt have instigated a fistfight between himself and Tony. You'd think he wouldn't have been so easy to be pushed over the edge like that, being the leader and whatnot.



That goes without saying! I'm still convinced the best scene in the entire movie, and the best for the Banner character in any movie was "I'm always angry".

That was second for me, well....first if Banner
moment.

Hulk smashing Loki is first for Hulk moment.

 

[Darkseed]

The first viewing I was in awe, Avengers on the screen. The second viewing, I got more into the story / character development. The third viewing things got deep

I love the point in the film when Cap goes into the bank to rescue hostages from the Chitauri. In the end an explosion occurs blowing Cap out the window onto the roof of a car. A tired, battered Cap struggles to get up in the end to continue the fight.

A little deep for hero flick (I know) but I found so much symbolism in that piece. Every viewing brings so much win for this film

 

[tomandshell]

As far as balance between the characters, Whedon probably did the best job possible when you consider all that he had to juggle--however, I felt that Thor was the least well served by the script. He didn't show up for almost an hour and most of his good scenes were with Loki. You can look at the development of the Stark/Rogers relationship or Black Widow/Hawkeye or Stark/Banner or Rogers/Coulson or Banner/Black Widow or Rogers/Fury or Stark/Coulson, but Thor had very little in the way of memorable interaction with the other heroes (apart from being Hulk's punching bag).

Of all the characters, I think that Thor is the one that Whedon had the weakest grip on. Stark seems to be the closest thing to Whedon's mouthpiece in the film, and he barely spoke a word to Thor after their initial confrontation, leaving him to do the most standing around the helicarrier watching everybody else talk. Thank goodness Loki was the villain--that gave Thor someone to interact with. If Loki is not a key character in Avengers 2, Whedon (or whoever else tackles it) will need to work harder to integrate Thor into the team and give him some more meaningful interaction and relationships with Stark, Banner, etc.

 

[ExMem-LarjaThwei]

As far as balance between the characters, Whedon probably did the best job possible when you consider all that he had to juggle--however, I felt that Thor was the least well served by the script. He didn't show up for almost an hour and most of his good scenes were with Loki. You can look at the development of the Stark/Rogers relationship or Black Widow/Hawkeye or Stark/Banner or Rogers/Coulson or Banner/Black Widow or Rogers/Fury or Stark/Coulson, but Thor had very little in the way of memorable interaction with the other heroes (apart from being Hulk's punching bag).

Of all the characters, I think that Thor is the one that Whedon had the weakest grip on. Stark seems to be the closest thing to Whedon's mouthpiece in the film, and he barely spoke a word to Thor after their initial confrontation, leaving him to do the most standing around the helicarrier watching everybody else talk. Thank goodness Loki was the villain--that gave Thor someone to interact with. If Loki is not a key character in Avengers 2, Whedon (or whoever else tackles it) will need to work harder to integrate Thor into the team and give him some more meaningful interaction and relationships with Stark, Banner, etc.

But Thor was only there to stop Loki, right? I didn't think he knew/cared about the Avengers until later..

 

[tomandshell]

In this movie, that was his mission. It will be interesting to see how they handle him in Avengers 2.

 

[jye4ever]

Thor's role might've been diminished, but he still wacked Hulk with his Hammer!

And he was in one of the funniest scenes of the movie, when Hulk sucker punched him.

 

[karamazov80]

Yeah, I agree about Thor. I was trying to think of an example for my earlier post where I could say that Thor really shined, but apart from doing stuff showing he was really powerful, there really wasn't much else that he did to distinguish himself in the movie. Maybe it's because Whedon was trying so hard to give everyone else their moment (and of course, to give Stark his 15 or 20 moments ) that he couldn't find the time to fit one in for Thor.

Now that I think about it, I wish Cap would'nt have instigated a fistfight between himself and Tony. You'd think he wouldn't have been so easy to be pushed over the edge like that, being the leader and whatnot.

I felt the same way, but figured that it was explained by Loki somehow manipulating their emotions with the power of the Cube in his staff. They didn't fully explain if that was what was going on, but I think someone figured out that Loki was manipulating them, which was right before their big argument and Banner holding the staff thing in his hand. If so, it was a kind of nod to the JLA/Avengers limited series, where those guys' emotions were manipulated at one point, and Superman and Cap were making similar insults against one another that went against their usual personalities.

 

[jye4ever]

You know you have a winner of a movie on your hands when the complaints about it are so minor.

 

[ZaCHw117]

Funny you say that Kara. I've seen the flick 4 times now and I'm always waiting and anxious for Thor to show up. He's one of my favorite parts of the film.

Loved the fight between him and Tony. Oh, and the slow-mo hammer shot to Hulk's face was pretty ____ing epic!

(Yes, this is coming from a "nolancompoop" with a Bane sig and Inception avy.)

 

[jye4ever]

Funny you say that Kara. I've seen the flick 4 times now and I'm always waiting and anxious for Thor to show up. He's one of my favorite parts of the film.

Loved the fight between him and Tony. Oh, and the slow-mo hammer shot to Hulk's face was pretty ____ing epic!

Did you just use the word epic about the Avengers movie.

This was your 3rd favorite superhero coming into the summer wasn't it.

 

[The Josh]

I would have liked Thor to get more time in this movie just because to me his movie was just that good. That would be my only complaint but I expect in the sequel he will get more and maybe less of BW/Hawkeye.

 

[karamazov80]

You know you have a winner of a movie on your hands when the complaints about it are so minor.

No doubt. And I think the movie seems better to me now than it did right after I first saw it.

Funny you say that Kara. I've seen the flick 4 times now and I'm always waiting and anxious for Thor to show up. He's one of my favorite parts of the film.

Loved the fight between him and Tony. Oh, and the slow-mo hammer shot to Hulk's face was pretty ____ing epic!

(Yes, this is coming from a "nolancompoop" with a Bane sig and Inception avy.)

His scenes with Loki were pretty good, and I did enjoy the Hulk/Thor fight. I just don't think Thor got the love that others did.

 

[ZaCHw117]

Did you just use the word epic about the Avengers movie.

This was your 3rd favorite superhero coming into the summer wasn't it.

It actually was, VERY close however to ASM.

The thing about me, is that I don't get myself over-hyped for a movie. And compare movies that haven't came out to others (i.e. "Avengers won't be as good as the first Iron Man" etc.) Yeah, I knew Avengers was gonna be ____ing epic, but I wasn't expecting it to be anything mind blowing (like the Nolan bat's films for me.)

So in a cray cray way I think that's what made me enjoy this movie more than I thought I would.

Hope that made sense.

His scenes with Loki were pretty good, and I did enjoy the Hulk/Thor fight. I just don't think Thor got the love that others did.

I can see that, he doesn't show up 'till the end of the first act.

 

[Josette]

I think this is a case of Stark just being Stark.

I think he naturally catches everyone's attention more because of his character's personality..but I don't think he was treated any more important than the other characters, minus the nuclear bomb scene.

Pretty much this. I think he was slightly elevated, but nothing remotely close to "Ironman 3" or even "Ironman and the Avengers". His kind of personality is one you just take notice of, and he can naturally overshadow other characters - but the strength of this movie for me was that all of the characters shined in their own ways.

Though now that others have mentioned it, I do think Thor got less material when it came to the group - but he did have strong scenes with Loki, and given that it's Loki that brought him to Earth and that he didn't initially intend to join the Avengers, I think it's fitting in this film. Avengers 2 will be more telling with Thor and his dynamic in the team.

Thor is without a doubt my favorite of the individual "avenger" movies (the first Ironman coming in second), and I was happy that Thor and Loki had powerful scenes together in Avengers.