Vice Presidential Debate Tonight - Biden vs. Palin.... DING, DING, DING

[Kuzeh]

I was in the Navy, was an AM (Aircraft Mechanic) on F-14's... stationed in Atsugi, Japan with VF-154 "The Black Knights". When 9/11 happened, I was very much ready for payback and our squadron eventually was deployed to fight the War on Terror.

We did our part and never questioned our mission, but later once Iraq started to become a hot button issue.. we'd all watch the news and wait to see what was going to happen.

Even then, we had theories about why we were being sent over there. What with Iraq's economy in ruins, their military strength dimmed, and the lack of evidence for WMD's... it didn't seem like something that was going to become a reality.

But, it happened. And we got to hear from our Admirals the gaggle of half truths and shady phrases that were being used by the Bush administration to sell the country on invading Iraq. It seemed genuine, but the men were confused. Some of us felt that we were being misdirected, that our National pain was about to be aimed at someone else... The President using our bruised pride for his own ends.

So we fought, and we took the country in mere days. Fake Wars last longer, it was a joke. And when Bush went on TV and gave his "Mission Accomplished" speech, we all rolled our eyes because we knew we'd still be out there for another 7 months or so... maybe longer.

I guess I saw it more clearly because I was in the system, because I was spoon fed the crap. It just never sat right with me, I felt used. And the subsequent years of soldiers dying, and endless cruises for Sailors in Iraq... it's just rubbed salt in the wounds.

I didn't know that I was indeed a Liberal, even then... I just knew I had passionate beliefs that weren't shared by all of my shipmates or friends. I know now though, and I will never forget why I chose that path.

One of the best posts on this political threads!
Hats off!!
Some people don't seem to realize that no matter how you put it, the INVASION of Iraq is WRONG, and should've never happened... and seems they also believe that even though we know it's wrong, keep doing it regardless of everything that has happened...

 

[LChinoz]

VOMIT.

Maybe you should buy this lady one of the Obama as Superman shirts.

It's this kind of stuff that actually turns me off of Obama more than anything (well, that and the fact that he clearly has radical leftist ideas).

Can you feel the love?

 

[DarkArtist81]

Not crazy at all, what I'm trying to drive at is finding whether people are cheering on Obama because he's the democrat on the ticket or cheering on Obama because he's Obama.

If anyone is really voting for Obama because he's Obama, I want to know who they think Obama is. Maybe I'm not traveling in the right circles to know what he's ever done in government. What bills he's proposed, etc. Right now he just seems like all glitter to me.

He's fought for the lower class in the Senate, worked with law enforcement officials to require the videotaping of interrogations and confessions in all capital cases, he passed a law that helped rebuild trust in government by allowing every American to go online and see how and where every dime of their tax dollars is spent, he's fought for Veteran's rights and benefits...

He's also NOT going to allow the further decimation of our environment that would be caused by drilling (that wouldn't even give us the oil we need for another decade), or pipelines through reserves. And he is going to do his best to push development of alternative fuels...

I can go on...

 

[LChinoz]

Reposting. Only till 2007:

 

[The Josh]

Ah so it is a vote against the Repubs not a vote for Obama!

Come on Scott. You're better than that.

VOMIT.

Maybe you should buy this lady one of the Obama as Superman shirts.

It's this kind of stuff that actually turns me off of Obama more than anything (well, that and the fact that he clearly has radical leftist ideas).

I think Obama has the chance to be that kind of impactful President.

Care to provide proof of your last statement?

 

[IrishJedi]

Pseudo on-topic... Has anyone else read Michelle Obama's Princeton Thesis? I don't think it's much of a leap to assume she dislikes white folks.

Edit. Here's a link: https://www.politico.com/news/stories/0208/8642.html

 

[LChinoz]

I think there is some "glitter" to Obama, but anyone who followed his senate career knows he is not at all "empty." I think to categorize out votes as "anything not Republican" is a mistake.

 

[The Josh]

He's fought for the lower class in the Senate, worked with law enforcement officials to require the videotaping of interrogations and confessions in all capital cases, he passed a law that helped rebuild trust in government by allowing every American to go online and see how and where every dime of their tax dollars is spent, he's fought for Veteran's rights and benefits...

He's also NOT going to allow the further decimation of our environment that would be caused by drilling (that wouldn't even give us the oil we need for another decade), or pipelines through reserves. And he is going to do his best to push development of alternative fuels...

I can go on...

Quoted for truth!

The guy has shown he cares about the MC, Veterans, Education, the enviroment, keeping jobs in the US, etc. These are the things thare are important to me. When he talks about them and his plans for them I think man thats what I'd like to see.

 

[DarkArtist81]

Pseudo on-topic... Has anyone else read Michelle Obama's Princeton Thesis? I don't think it's much of a leap to assume she dislikes white folks.

It's ok if she did... African Americans deserve to harbor some ill feelings towards their oppressors. The way they were treated for the entire span of American history prior to 1970, was ATROCIOUS and embarrassing. And even after that point, they were still treated as second class citizens and in some areas of the country...still ARE.

I went to school in South Carolina, Racism and Jim Crow-ish pseudo laws are very much alive there. Darlington, the city I lived in, was still semi segregated until I was 2 years into High School. And that was only the schools that were forcibly desegregated. The town is still split entirely in two.

 

[LChinoz]

Pseudo on-topic... Has anyone else read Michelle Obama's Princeton Thesis? I don't think it's much of a leap to assume she dislikes white folks.

She wrote a thesis about racial divide 23 years ago?

 

[wofford29]

It's ok if she did... African Americans deserve to harbor some ill feelings towards their oppressors. The way they were treated for the entire span of American history prior to 1970, was ATROCIOUS and embarrassing. And even after that point, they were still treated as second class citizens and in some areas of the country...still ARE.

I went to school in South Carolina, Racism and Jim Crow-ish pseudo laws are very much alive there. Darlington, the city I lived in, was still semi segregated until I was 2 years into High School. And that was only the schools that were forcibly desegregated. The town is still split entirely in two.

So then if you're a christian you deserve to have ill feelings about jews?

 

[IrishJedi]

It's ok if she did... African Americans deserve to harbor some ill feelings towards their oppressors. The way they were treated for the entire span of American history prior to 1970, was ATROCIOUS and embarrassing. And even after that point, they were still treated as second class citizens and in some areas of the country...still ARE.

I went to school in South Carolina, Racism and Jim Crow-ish pseudo laws are very much alive there. Darlington, the city I lived in, was still semi segregated until I was 2 years into High School. And that was only the schools that were forcibly desegregated. The town is still split entirely in two.

Come to Atlanta... you'll experience plenty of racist bull^^^^ from BOTH sides.

 

[The Josh]

Pseudo on-topic... Has anyone else read Michelle Obama's Princeton Thesis? I don't think it's much of a leap to assume she dislikes white folks.

Edit. Here's a link: https://www.politico.com/news/stories/0208/8642.html

I don't think so. I think a lot of what she says was true in 1985 when she wrote that and is true now. Carl you're a white guy who can easily move within our culture. Neither of us would begin to understand any kind of difficulty she may have had back then or people do now that aren't white. I cannot blame minorities if they don't care for white people all that much as we've not exactly been real nice to them over the years and still aren't to this day.

 

[wofford29]

Come to Atlanta... you'll experience plenty of racist bull^^^^ from BOTH sides.

Ain't that the truth.

 

[CelticPredator]

So then if you're a christian you deserve to have ill feelings about Romans?

Fixed.

 

[IrishJedi]

So then if you're a christian you deserve to have ill feelings about jews?

Also, using that frame of mind, if you're Hebrew you deserve to have ill feelings toward Egyptians? And that ^^^^ actually lasted a lot longer than 400 years.

 

[The Josh]

It's ok if she did... African Americans deserve to harbor some ill feelings towards their oppressors. The way they were treated for the entire span of American history prior to 1970, was ATROCIOUS and embarrassing. And even after that point, they were still treated as second class citizens and in some areas of the country...still ARE.

I went to school in South Carolina, Racism and Jim Crow-ish pseudo laws are very much alive there. Darlington, the city I lived in, was still semi segregated until I was 2 years into High School. And that was only the schools that were forcibly desegregated. The town is still split entirely in two.

Its that way here in Missouri too even to this day. I can remember in HS which wasn't that long ago a girl who had a black bf had him come to lunch and the white rednecks ran him out of the building basically. This was 1998-99 so ya know I just don't blame some of the ill feelings they have.

 

[LChinoz]

Oh and bringing up a paper Michelle wrote when she was a college student studying at Princeton as an example of her outlook on whites has no relevance in Obama v. McCain. Can we assume since McCain voted to deny MLK day a national holiday an example of his opinion of black leaders or blacks in general? I don't think so, but it seems more relevant than Obama's wife's college thesis. Just sayin.

 

[Bannister]

So then if you're a christian you deserve to have ill feelings about jews?

Hell yes. They killed Jesus. Just ask Mel Gibson.

 

[The Josh]

Also, using that frame of mind, if you're Hebrew you deserve to have ill feelings toward Egyptians? And that ^^^^ actually lasted a lot longer than 400 years.

Now, we're just getting silly and trying to mock a point being made. Guess thats what some do when they can't show actual proof of statements they make.