Where's the customizers have been

[Deckard]

What about adding a section under Customs for Show your Customs?
I really would not want to see Custom works mixed in with all the show your shelves threads...that would make it even more difficult to find custom threads, imo.

I for one, do not do customs - I paint some kits and stuff but I don't have the talent for small scale like 1/6. I do however very much enjoy looking at the custom work of others on this board and appreciating them as art and seeing all the hard work/creativity that went into making them. I would love to have these types of threads be all in one area and judging by the voting, it seems like I am not the only one.

I don't see anything wrong with having the business side of customs being separated from those wanting to show off work and sharing tips and ideas to others wanting to try their hand at making their own figure.

You complain that people are basically lazy and can't be bothered to scroll through several pages to find what they are looking for...but why can't you be bothered to click on a separate forum to see sales/interest threads or showcase threads?



I can't remember how long ago it was tried. But the customs section (especially commissions and interest threads) has really exploded and I don't see the problem with trying to make things a bit more organized. If it doesn't work no reason it can't be put back the way it was.

Firstly the stuff for sale on commission is still custom work you can look at and enjoy without buying,

Why can't you go into Rainman's Dude thread and look at all the pics the same as any other, because it also has a link to his website where you can buy it if your interested? Stupidest thing I've heard in a looong time, sorry Rainman, your selling your incredible work, so were going to put you over here deeper in a sub section instead.

Let me explain what your going to do ok? Your going to take the Dude thread and move it into the commerce section and that Dude thread will still be there. Now in the cutoms section people are going wheres the Dude thread, so they start a new one to show off the custom Dude they bought and since its not for sale, its ok. Then everyone else is like I'll show my Dude in here and in the for sale thread. So now you have two Dude threads and two sections cluttered instead of one. It will make it far more confusing I assure you.

 

[Moe]

I do Both...Customs for my personal Collection, not to mention customs from the likes of One's Custom, Elvis, and more which I collect and love to show off...

I also do Interest Work as well...Whichever you Guys feel is best fit is fine by me...I Love the interest thread thing because not only does it help others get the stuff they need to make there very own Custom figure, but also helps fellow customizers for there commisioned work.

My Superman Suit was very successful here, and I thank Sideshow Freaks boards for that! And voting for Elvis for Mod is ok by me as well...Seperating the customs from Interest is ok by me, but in the same sense, it never really bothered me.

 

[Artoo]

I can only speak as for myself, but the reason I haven't been updating my own thread regularly is that I am so backlogged.

I have about 20 figures that are customs from head to outfit finished literally just waiting for bodies.

But I have to keep spending that body money on securing the next head before x date so I can at least come back and make that figure as well.

Eventually I will have a giagantic update when I just buy a case of bodies.

I used to make about 3-4 bashes a year, but I have not finished a fig in over 3 years due to this exact thing. I start buying parts for other figs before I can finish 1 and get completly backlogged. I think I have about 20 unfinished figs myself.
I know I check in here so often that I get nothing done on my stuff, then there are so many new posts that I flip through and just look but never post a comment. If it's something that blows me away or I feel I need to comment I will, but there are so many posts in so many subsections that it gets mindboggling. Then if it's not a fig that's HT quality not many people post a response and the poster gets flustered and doesn't post again. I've seen quite a few threads with a handfull of comments get burried under an avalanche of new threads.

 

[Cheungkinmen]

I used to make about 3-4 bashes a year, but I have not finished a fig in over 3 years due to this exact thing. I start buying parts for other figs before I can finish 1 and get completly backlogged. I think I have about 20 unfinished figs myself.
I know I check in here so often that I get nothing done on my stuff, then there are so many new posts that I flip through and just look but never post a comment. If it's something that blows me away or I feel I need to comment I will, but there are so many posts in so many subsections that it gets mindboggling. Then if it's not a fig that's HT quality not many people post a response and the poster gets flustered and doesn't post again. I've seen quite a few threads with a handfull of comments get burried under an avalanche of new threads.

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[Jen]

Why can't you go into Rainman's Dude thread and look at all the pics the same as any other, because it also has a link to his website where you can buy it if your interested? Stupidest thing I've heard in a looong time, sorry Rainman, your selling your incredible work, so were going to put you over here deeper in a sub section instead.

Let me explain what your going to do ok? Your going to take the Dude thread and move it into the commerce section and that Dude thread will still be there. Now in the cutoms section people are going wheres the Dude thread, so they start a new one to show off the custom Dude they bought and since its not for sale, its ok. Then everyone else is like I'll show my Dude in here and in the for sale thread. So now you have two Dude threads and two sections cluttered instead of one. It will make it far more confusing I assure you.

No I am saying to keep it all in customs and not move it over to commerce. I had originally voted that way - but upon further reflection of the post count/time requirements I felt that perhaps it would be better to keep it all in customs.

I am suggesting starting a Show your customs/kitbash section UNDER the customs forum where people can showcase their work and have it be more of a community of other customizer/kitbashers sharing ideas and helping each other out. The interest/custom for sale threads would all stay where they are.

I'm just throwing out ideas here and trying to think of ways to help organize this section better - because which you seem to be having a hard time understanding is that there have been a lot of comments about this from a lot of different individuals.

The only ideas you are throwing out are to keep it the same and anyone who thinks otherwise is basically lazy, wanting attention or they are stupid.

 

[toylion]

No I am saying to keep it all in customs and not move it over to commerce.

I am suggesting starting a Show your customs/kitbash section UNDER the customs forum where people can showcase their work and have it be more of a community of other customizer/kitbashers sharing ideas and helping each other out. The interest/custom for sale threads would all stay where they are.

Perfect! And with elvis as Mod!

 

[Deckard]

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Thats the evolution of the hobby folks. Nothing to do with sales threads. If we take them out, more people aren't going to comment on stuff they don't care for. The people making sick full figures are always going to get more praise then those just starting.

Alot of people have stated that it was there first try at sculpting ever, and then they get critiques and have a mental breakdown because people tryed to help them. Like they were going to produce a quality head that people who've been sculpting for 20 years put out and they don't but they still expect the same kind of praise. Sorry but theres a differance between people who want to learn and should expect feedback vs people throwing a tantrum.

Taking the "HT quality" stuff for sale and moving it over isn't going to make people forget it exists and go, I'll just start telling the less experianced people their the best ever since their in this more convienant to find section.

 

[Deckard]

The only ideas you are throwing out are to keep it the same and anyone who thinks otherwise is basically lazy, wanting attention or they are stupid.

Exactly. THis is exactly what I'm saying. I get what your suggesting with a subsection and that is my exact response to such a thing.

In 24 hours one page in this section gets filled with new thread posts, it takes ten secs to scroll down click the 2 for Pg.2 and thats it. You look at those 2 pages of new posts, find 2-3 threads you want the end. Under a minute is not cluttered to the point we need a subsection, so yes if you can't do that your lazy or stupid.

 

[Jen]

Exactly. THis is exactly what I'm saying. I get what your suggesting with a subsection and that is my exact response to such a thing.

In 24 hours one page in this section gets filled with new thread posts, it takes ten secs to scroll down click the 2 for Pg.2 and thats it. You look at those 2 pages of new posts, find 2-3 threads you want the end. Under a minute is not cluttered to the point we need a subsection, so yes if you can't do that your lazy or stupid.

I suppose I could say the same about you if you can't be bothered to click on a subsection.

 

[Deckard]

I suppose I could say the same about you if you can't be bothered to click on a subsection.

Jen lets add a second car door so you have to open two sets to get in your car.

Are you stupid because you don't want to open two sets of doors or are two sets of doors stupid?

The customs section doesn't need an airlock.

 

[meth head]

Firstly the stuff for sale on commission is still custom work you can look at and enjoy without buying, get it?
Second, don't try to be a ____ and insult me, Seb and I are friends and have done alot of work on projects and still are currently, I'm not looking to attack him, my point is one person complained and it caught Dave's attention, my surpise comes from these threads being made daily in the announcments section calling for similar change that are often scoffed at.

And third alot of what elvis himself shows is work he did on commission.

If Rainman makes 20 figures that is enough for me to say that is a hand made custom piece rather than a mass produced factory piece

You can still look and enjoy and marvel at the spectacle of these figures like you would Seb's thread, just because it is for sale doesnt detract from the fact it is still a custom piece and belongs in this section

 

[Jen]

You know what Deckard I'm not going to argue with you about this. As I said before, splitting up the customs section has been an idea tossed around by many. If Dave did not think that perhaps it might be a good idea - I doubt he would have started a poll asking people their opinions on it. Let the voters decide what they want..and ultimately the decision will be up to Dave.

But I think labeling people as lazy or stupid because they might prefer to have things a bit more organized is just making you look like all you want to do is a pick a fight rather than having a respectful discussion on how we could make this section better...whether that means changing it or keeping it the same.

 

[Cheungkinmen]

Thats the evolution of the hobby folks. Nothing to do with sales threads. If we take them out, more people aren't going to comment on stuff they don't care for. The people making sick full figures are always going to get more praise then those just starting.

Alot of people have stated that it was there first try at sculpting ever, and then they get critiques and have a mental breakdown because people tryed to help them. Like they were going to produce a quality head that people who've been sculpting for 20 years put out and they don't but they still expect the same kind of praise. Sorry but theres a differance between people who want to learn and should expect feedback vs people throwing a tantrum.

Taking the "HT quality" stuff for sale and moving it over isn't going to make people forget it exists and go, I'll just start telling the less experianced people their the best ever since their in this more convienant to find section.

Well, honestly it all depends on the way it is said, a critique isn't a constructive criticism, like Darklord Dave said, people need manners and I've seen a few long time members who needs it, who are prone to make fun of peoples work.

But I also agree with you, no need to change the forum, it's good as it is.

 

[beeshaw]

If Rainman makes 20 figures that enough for me to say that is a hand made custom piece rather than a mass produced factory piece

You can still look and enjoy and marvel at the spectacle of these figures like you would Seb's thread, just because it is for sale doesnt detract from the fact it is still a custom piece and belongs in this section

For me, if you make 20 complete figures to sell...it's not a custom. Limited Edition work of art, yes, but it's not a 'one-off custom piece'.

Sorry Teddy.
That's just my personal definition. Maybe it's semantics to someone else.

 

[Deckard]

But I think labeling people as lazy or stupid because they might prefer to have things a bit more organized is just making you look like all you want to do is a pick a fight rather than having a respectful discussion on how we could make this section better...whether that means changing it or keeping it the same.

Why? There are alot of stupid people out there. Just because its 2011 doesn't mean theyre just too busy with other things to learn to read. I don't want a fight, I didn't start the thread, I don't want change either though. I'm sick of change when its only purpose is to make things easier for stupid people. That isn't good change and for that I'll stand up and speak up.

I'd rather that person work on there ADD off board so they can handle one page of reading when they come here.

 

[Jen]

Why? There are alot of stupid people out there. Just because its 2011 doesn't mean theyre just too busy with other things to learn to read. I don't want a fight, I didn't start the thread, I don't want change either though. I'm sick of change when its only purpose is to make things easier for stupid people. That isn't good change and for that I'll stand up and speak up.

Well I disagree --- sometimes change is good. People seem to really be enjoying how the SW section got split up. It isn't a huge inconvenience for them to click on a subsection to view custom SW figures. Don't know why it would be here?

As this section continues to grow, I think it's only a matter of time before some changes are implemented to keep it more organized. Maybe that will be next month or next year...who knows. It's not to make it easier for "stupid people" who "need to learn to read"..that's just insulting and again proves my point that you just want to pick a fight.

Perhaps you should check out the voting totals so far....it seems a lot more people think a subsection in customs is a good idea.

 

[Deckard]

Perhaps you should check out the voting totals so far....it seems a lot more people think a subsection in customs is a good idea.

I'm not swayed by popular opinion.

"A person is smart. People are dumb, panicky dangerous animals"

 

[Jen]

I'm not swayed by popular opinion.

"A person is smart. People are dumb, panicky dangerous animals"

Well you may not be swayed by popular opinion... but perhaps Dave will be.

 

[galactiboy]

Exactly. THis is exactly what I'm saying. I get what your suggesting with a subsection and that is my exact response to such a thing.

In 24 hours one page in this section gets filled with new thread posts, it takes ten secs to scroll down click the 2 for Pg.2 and thats it. You look at those 2 pages of new posts, find 2-3 threads you want the end. Under a minute is not cluttered to the point we need a subsection, so yes if you can't do that your lazy or stupid.

Yes, but again 90% of the threads anymore are commissions which tend to generate more interest and get bumped so much that other threads get lost not just to page 2... but much further back. Just look at the Alex DeLarge Rainman thread... just the news that it would happen kept it bumped for a long period of time even though zero work has been done on it.

A separation will make it easier for people to navigate through both types of threads which is what is being discussed. I don't think anyone assumes it will suddenly make customizers of all levels feel more comfortable or make this place free of criques, but it allows people a space to share their work.

And by the same token I would assume that people who have commission threads would also keep a main thread in the custom work section so they are getting exposure in two locations.

And the show your shelves section is for collections, not work... so making custom threads in there would not be a great option IMO.

 

[TheObsoleteMan]

This started out as an interesting discussion, it's a shame it's gotten so bitter with people seemingly taking it personally. Whether the custom section splits or stays the way it is, there's still going to be more than enough commission stuff being offered, so I don't think anyone should be worried about that.