Who had the upper hand, Mace or Palpatine?

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Who had the upper hand?

  • Mace, he would have destroyed the Sith if not for Anakin

    Votes: 74 58.7%
  • Palpatine, giving the illusion of losing was all part of his plan

    Votes: 52 41.3%

  • Total voters
    126
It's kind of like boxing. You need to take a couple of hits to get in under the defenses. Palpatine wasn't disarmed until Anakin was about to enter. He needed to see a completely defenseless old man being bourn down upon by a great menacing Jedi.

And keep in mind, Palpatine did have another lightsaber tucked up under there. I wonder if he knows how to dual wield...



he didnt seem like a defenseless old man when he let out sith lightning(which didnt work) while laying on the ground. Fact was Mace won the fight(IMO) but he wasnt the chosen one so we coudnt be the one to destroy the sith. Although in Mace's thought he could cause the jedi speculatd the prophecy about the chosen destroying the sith may have beeen misread. Either way the fight was ok in the movie but very good in the novel.
 
No, he outsmarted Mace. Like everyone else is saying he used all his weapons to beat Mace.



So your saying the guy that was laying on the groung frying outsmarted the guy standing over him with a sword...:rotfl good one :rotfl
 
Here is something else. Palpatine brought the galaxy under sith rule again, for the first time in over 2000 years. Not becuase he was stronger, not becuase he was a better swordsman, not becuase he was more powerful, but becuase he was Brilliant. He manipulated every single angle so that in the end, there was no way he could not win. He won becuase he was like Batman, Yagami Light, Or Tzneech, He planned 18 steps ahead of everyone else, and covered all the angles. In the end, he's the one that gets to say, "just as planned".
 
Here is something else. Palpatine brought the galaxy under sith rule again, for the first time in over 2000 years. Not becuase he was stronger, not becuase he was a better swordsman, not becuase he was more powerful, but becuase he was Brilliant. He manipulated every single angle so that in the end, there was no way he could not win. He won becuase he was like Batman, Yagami Light, Or Tzneech, He planned 18 steps ahead of everyone else, and covered all the angles. In the end, he's the one that gets to say, "just as planned".



Yea Sidous was a master manipulater.
 
So your saying the guy that was laying on the groung frying outsmarted the guy standing over him with a sword...:rotfl good one :rotfl


Becuase he chose to put himself in that position. Lets reverce the scenario. lets say that Palpatine takes mace down, and in walks anakin, Palpatine holding him at the tip of his saber, about to administer the killing blow. what would of happened then?

I'll say he outsmarted mace. Which one of them walked away from the fight alive?
He NEEDED mace to be in a stronger position when anakin came in inorder to have Anakin choose to side with him.
 
So your saying the guy that was laying on the groung frying outsmarted the guy standing over him with a sword...:rotfl good one :rotfl

Yeah, he baited the Jedi who came in and killed 3 of them quickly. He fought with the one who lived long enough to get the chosen one to kill Mace, and in the book even used the fight to help get people to go against the Jedi. Yeah, I'd say that's outsmarting him. :rolleyes:
 
Yeah, he baited the Jedi who came in and killed 3 of them quickly. He fought with the one who lived long enough to get the chosen one to kill Mace, and in the book even used the fight to help get people to go against the Jedi. Yeah, I'd say that's outsmarting him. :rolleyes:



Actually Sidous killed Mace not Anakin(didnt you see the movie or read the book...:confused:), but back to the point the 3 other Jedis that deid were taken out quick so we could have the showdown between Mace and Sidous. As for Sidous using the recording that was later played before the senate...:lol thats has nothing to to with him in your words "out smarting mace".:rolleyes:



I guess next your gonna tell be Sidous beat yoda and in all his wisdom he(sidous) foresaw Vader would turn on him and throw him down over the ledge :lol
 
Becuase he chose to put himself in that position. Lets reverce the scenario. lets say that Palpatine takes mace down, and in walks anakin, Palpatine holding him at the tip of his saber, about to administer the killing blow. what would of happened then?

I'll say he outsmarted mace. Which one of them walked away from the fight alive?
He NEEDED mace to be in a stronger position when anakin came in inorder to have Anakin choose to side with him.




Anakin probably says go ahead kill him(Mace). They never really got along and Anakin thought about killing(in not so many words) Mace when he was told he wont be granted the rank of master.
 
Actually Sidous killed Mace not Anakin(didnt you see the movie or read the book...:confused:), but back to the point the 3 other Jedis that deid were taken out quick so we could have the showdown between Mace and Sidous. As for Sidous using the recording that was later played before the senate...:lol thats has nothing to to with him in your words "out smarting mace".:rolleyes:
I guess next your gonna tell be Sidous beat yoda and in all his wisdom he(sidous) foresaw Vader would turn on him and throw him down over the ledge :lol

Ya know there's no point in continuing this. Your gonna be right and everyone else will be wrong. I'm just gonna end it here because conversing with you is like doing such with a brick wall. Doing both are pretty pointless. :rolleyes:
 
Ya know there's no point in continuing this. Your gonna be right and everyone else will be wrong. I'm just gonna end it here because conversing with you is like doing such with a brick wall. Doing both are pretty pointless. :rolleyes:



I'm only right cause you cant prove me wrong. :D


And all this proves is some cant look past there hard on for Sidous and see the truth.
 
Ok, After that comment, I must ask you, what on earth are you smoking? And where did you get it, and did you check to see if it was laced with lawn clippings?

Anakin Would NOT have gone along with that. Darth Vader MIGHT have, most likely he would have, BUT, anakin was not yet Darth Vader. Remeber what Anakin says after Palpatine Kills mace.

"Oh no, what have I done?!" And he's allmost in tears. He KNOWS he just made a mistake, but thinks that now it's too late. this is further perpetuated by Palpatine telling him " the jedi will soon move to kill both of us" or someting to that effect.


IF Anakin had walked in and seen Sidious in his full sith Glory, Lording over a fallen, beaten, and early dead mace, he would have at once been the hero he so badly wanted to be. He ALLMOST Cut down Palpatine when Palpatine reveals himself to him, but instead decides to take the moral high road, and get the other jedi. Palpatine RELIED on their friendship to keep anakin from killing him then, and he Relied on that friendship to help him when he put himself at Mace's mercy.

In a duel to the death, the person who dies is generaly considered the loser mate. Mace LOST. And he Lost becuase Palpatine cheated by manipulating the fight to his advantge even before the fight began. He knew the jedi were comming, and he was ready for them. He kills thre of them INSTANTLY at the start, and lets the fight with mace draw out till he's ready.

He could of Killed Mace at any time with but a thought, If you Read the novels, you know he's done it before, And could have killed mace whenever he needed too. the problem is he has a flair for the grandiose. and wanted to do it with style. And at the same time, Have anakin Turn to the dark side.

Everything proceded exactly as he planned.

The fight with Yoda, no contest, Palpatine KNEW he could not win. So again, he cheated. He started throwing the senate at Yoda, LITERALY. When he saw that would not work, he called for backup. Yes, he won that battle too, but not becuase of any skill he possessed, but becuase he was ready. he had Several of his shocktroopers nearby so he could call if he needed them.

He won, and he won becuase he manipulates, twists, and Cheats.
 
Besides, we can't prove you wrong, becuase it's your opinion, and you're allowed to have it. The only way we could posibly end this discusson one way or the other definitely, would be to have TMRFE step in and explane what is going on.
Which, unless my meory is foggy, he actualy does on the dvd in the commtary during the fight, i need to put it in a dlisten to it again when i go home.
 
Ok, After that comment, I must ask you, what on earth are you smoking? And where did you get it, and did you check to see if it was laced with lawn clippings?

Anakin Would NOT have gone along with that. Darth Vader MIGHT have, most likely he would have, BUT, anakin was not yet Darth Vader. Remeber what Anakin says after Palpatine Kills mace.

"Oh no, what have I done?!" And he's allmost in tears. He KNOWS he just made a mistake, but thinks that now it's too late. this is further perpetuated by Palpatine telling him " the jedi will soon move to kill both of us" or someting to that effect.


IF Anakin had walked in and seen Sidious in his full sith Glory, Lording over a fallen, beaten, and early dead mace, he would have at once been the hero he so badly wanted to be. He ALLMOST Cut down Palpatine when Palpatine reveals himself to him, but instead decides to take the moral high road, and get the other jedi. Palpatine RELIED on their friendship to keep anakin from killing him then, and he Relied on that friendship to help him when he put himself at Mace's mercy.

In a duel to the death, the person who dies is generaly considered the loser mate. Mace LOST. And he Lost becuase Palpatine cheated by manipulating the fight to his advantge even before the fight began. He knew the jedi were comming, and he was ready for them. He kills thre of them INSTANTLY at the start, and lets the fight with mace draw out till he's ready.

He could of Killed Mace at any time with but a thought, If you Read the novels, you know he's done it before, And could have killed mace whenever he needed too. the problem is he has a flair for the grandiose. and wanted to do it with style. And at the same time, Have anakin Turn to the dark side.

Everything proceded exactly as he planned.


The fight with Yoda, no contest, Palpatine KNEW he could not win. So again, he cheated. He started throwing the senate at Yoda, LITERALY. When he saw that would not work, he called for backup. Yes, he won that battle too, but not becuase of any skill he possessed, but becuase he was ready. he had Several of his shocktroopers nearby so he could call if he needed them.

He won, and he won becuase he manipulates, twists, and Cheats.



Does that include Vader turning on him and killing him :rolleyes:
 
Does that include Vader turning on him and killing him :rolleyes:

Not talking about ROTJ, only ROTS.
By EPVI Palpatine is SOOO sure of himself, and soo certina of his plans, that he makes less plans. he got careless. the same thing that happens to Yagmi Light it Deathnote. He forgets to account for the wildcard. A father's Love for his son.
 
Ya know there's no point in continuing this. Your gonna be right and everyone else will be wrong. I'm just gonna end it here because conversing with you is like doing such with a brick wall. Doing both are pretty pointless. :rolleyes:




Judging by the poll results at this point I am right :D
 
:lol True :D



I just think mace wonthe fight. We can agree to disagree

I'll say this, if the fight is considered to have been over when Anakin entered, then Yes, Mace won.

But can't you see that Mace wining was most likely part of His plan?

Besides, mace does not get to savor this voctory, as he dies moments later :D
 
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