Who had the upper hand, Mace or Palpatine?

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Who had the upper hand?

  • Mace, he would have destroyed the Sith if not for Anakin

    Votes: 74 58.7%
  • Palpatine, giving the illusion of losing was all part of his plan

    Votes: 52 41.3%

  • Total voters
    126
What kills me about all of this is that many are going by the EU, when all of that is speculative when comapred to the movies and the fact that Lucas says that nothing is definite if it is not in the movies.

Some stuff is taken to be part of the Canon, not just what is in the movies. KOTOR for instance is taken as part of the canon. And while right now the stuff after ROTJ is taken as canon, it could easily change if they ever decided to make movies about that time.
 
What kills me about all of this is that many are going by the EU, when all of that is speculative when comapred to the movies and the fact that Lucas says that nothing is definite if it is not in the movies.

That's the thing. The movies can be misintrepeted, the EU books are pretty hard to misread, seeing as though it's all spelled out for you in the book.
 
Basically a Jedi follows the "will of the Living Force".

A Sith bends the force to their own will.

That is the difference. (though by ROTS both Jedi and Sith were bending the force to their own will. Thats why Anakin needed to bring balance back to the force). Thats why by TPM Qui-Gon was a maverick. He followed the will of the living force while most others did not.
 
There is no dark or light side of the force, there's only the dark or light side of the person who uses the Force.


Of course there is a dark and light side of the force, haven't you been paying attention to any of the movies? Palpatine says it in episode 3, Obi-wan says it in episode 4, and so does Yoda in episode 5. The dark side is always there and if one gives into it, then they'll become an agent of evil.
 
That's the thing. The movies can be misintrepeted, the EU books are pretty hard to misread, seeing as though it's all spelled out for you in the book.

How can you misinterpret the movies it's all right there. The EU books are just tales that are told by people who like what Lucas has created, sort of like "wouldn't it be cool if . . ." Just about every author of the EU books thanks George for letting them play around in his universe.
 
Most of the Jedi followed Yoda's example of following the 'unifying Force' not the 'Living Force' as Qui Gon did.

Thats why QG was the greatest Jedi (Plus he's from the planet I'Re-Lande). He had it right, everyone else was wrong.
 
How can you misinterpret the movies it's all right there. The EU books are just tales that are told by people who like what Lucas has created, sort of like "wouldn't it be cool if . . ." Just about every author of the EU books thanks George for letting them play around in his universe.

How can you misintrepret the movies? That's the points of this thread, and people still believe that mace or palpy had the upper hand.
 
Most of the Jedi followed Yoda's example of following the 'unifying Force' not the 'Living Force' as Qui Gon did.

Thats why QG was the greatest Jedi (Plus he's from the planet I'Re-Lande). He had it right, everyone else was wrong.

Yup. Though Obi-Wan's homeworld of S'ko T'lan D helped him out some too. :rock
 
Absolutely, and lets not forget their greatest contribution to the galaxy, S'ko T'lan Dish single malt wis-kee.
 
perhaps Lucas's biggest success with the PT is raising the ageless debate... faith versus science. Star Wars is about myth... prophecies are a part of the myth... midichlorians are his "science"... was Anakin a self fulfilling prophecy? was he created by the Sith to play on the Jedi's weakness of embracing fairly tales? perhaps this is why Lucas kept Anakin's origin vague... so we can all contribute a part of ourselves to the saga.
 
There is no dark or light side of the force, there's only the dark or light side of the person who uses the Force.


Of course there is a dark and light side of the force, haven't you been paying attention to any of the movies? Palpatine says it in episode 3, Obi-wan says it in episode 4, and so does Yoda in episode 5. The dark side is always there and if one gives into it, then they'll become an agent of evil.

The dark side isn't an issue with the force. In Traitor, Jacen found a fountain of the Force on Coruscant, he thought it was a great amount of the Dark Side, but in actually it was just a great amount of the Force. In the place where the fountain of the force was where they had originally had the Jedi Temple. The dark side is only what is in the person, the idea of there being two sides of the Force is an illusion.
 
I need to catch upon my EU, looks like reading Dark Empire and the Thrawn trilogy ain't enough.


I kind of thought that both were evenly matched and that whoever got anakin on there side wound win. Maybe im wrong but i always like how Palpatine said "you must choose".

Always like the idea that Qui-gon, ANH Obi-wan , ESB Yoda and Luke listen to the living force instead of the unifying.
 
It wasn't so much a fountain as it was a sphincter that expelled Force energy.

I thought (per Yoda and Qui-Gon) that the force was in all living things. It isn't like some ethereal power or substance like slime or a gas. Its in every living thing.
 
Back on Topic..... Palps all the way, he simply portayed himself as weaker to lure Anakin in, remember the Darth Plagious sp? story the only one he couldn't save was himself...... cough.....Palps wiped out 3 other Masters in a couple of seconds and drew out the fight until Anakin arrived. IMO... the change was deliberate as in Palps could have upt the voltage and got out of the situation though he let it distort him for effect LOL IMHO.:emperor:monkey1
 
All that proves is that they weren't as good as swordsmen as Mace. Not to take anything away from Palpatine, he was the consummate risk taker. He controlled as much as he could but when he had to take a chance he didn't hesitate.
 
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