Why is your 1:2 Iron man so thin???

[Superman]

I'm chill! If its possible to fix the current molds, then its probably a reasonable expectation to fix future casts. But as I said I can't see them making new molds.

I wonder if this is a blessing or curse that this is one of the only items they offer on a "as ordered" basis.

It is a blessing as this was a highly anticipated piece. If it was free from these breakages, Sideshow would have made a huge profit at the $2,000 price range when the cost to make it is a fraction of the cost. Since there is no edition limit yet, they have time to fix the problem and start a campaign to get us all excited again by marketing the "New and Improved" statue and starting over. If Sideshow does nothing to the statue, then they can be prepared to have a much fewer amount of people buying it and then they would be forced to limit the edition size more quickly and retire the piece. If they choose that route, I will be waiting for a new mold for an IM and praying it is thicker making it stronger.. That is all I can hope for.

 

[Atheris]

Do you see what you have created sideshow?...instead of making a sound solid statue you make a paper mache cut out. Which has resulted in me creating this thread...and in doing that I have to deal with hammerhead individuals that can only see in a single direction. If you had created a piece to start with worthy of being called a "grail" we would all be so fortunate. Instead you took the shallow route and opted to created a large ticket item and produce it as cheap a possible. You want my personal opinion....whoever is callling the shots at SS should be fired. He/she isnt helping the companies image or direction. With the latest product releases featureing sub-par quality control its obivous the direction your taking. Cut your losses now and give customers what they want. By that I mean what you use to offer customers......quality. This tangent you have went of in does not help your company. You appear greedy and deceiving to your customers. How long do you think you will be able to keep that up?
Address the issue.....every choice has its consequences.

Chris

 

[Superman]

Do you see what you have created sideshow?...instead of making a sound solid statue you make a paper mache cut out. Which has resulted in me creating this thread...and in doing that I have to deal with hammerhead individuals that can only see in a single direction. If you had created a piece to start with worthy of being called a "grail" we would all be so fortunate. Instead you took the shallow route and opted to created a large ticket item and produce it as cheap a possible. You want my personal opinion....whoever is callling the shots at SS should be fired. He/she isnt helping the companies image or direction. With the latest product releases featureing sub-par quality control its obivous the direction your taking. Cut your losses now and give customers what they want. By that I mean what you use to offer customers......quality. This tangent you have went of in does not help your company. You appear greedy and deceiving to your customers. How long do you think you will be able to keep that up?
Address the issue.....every choice has its consequences.

Chris

As far as calling out the Sideshow rep that OK'd this IM to be this thin to maximize profits to be fired is going a little too far. However if that representative does nothing to correct the problems and correct the issue's with this piece, then I would have to agree with you on the firing part. Since hiring a new team that looks at the customers first is the one that will create the best of the best collectibles and continue in a path of excellence deserving of our praise.

 

[tnaig001]

guys, for criticism to be accepted, it has to be given constructively and objectively.

Name calling or assigning blame does not help bring about positive change or vibes.

What needs to be said has been said, "we would be grateful to have a statue with a thicker cast as the current casting seems to thin."

Let's leave it at that and leave SS some room to maneuver. No company wants to be told what to do, or be threatened into action.

The door swings both ways. Insisting on something can sometimes backfire on the intended purpose.

best wishes to all,
James.

 

[devilof76]

Do you see what you have created sideshow?...instead of making a sound solid statue you make a paper mache cut out. Which has resulted in me creating this thread...and in doing that I have to deal with hammerhead individuals that can only see in a single direction. If you had created a piece to start with worthy of being called a "grail" we would all be so fortunate. Instead you took the shallow route and opted to created a large ticket item and produce it as cheap a possible. You want my personal opinion....whoever is callling the shots at SS should be fired. He/she isnt helping the companies image or direction. With the latest product releases featureing sub-par quality control its obivous the direction your taking. Cut your losses now and give customers what they want. By that I mean what you use to offer customers......quality. This tangent you have went of in does not help your company. You appear greedy and deceiving to your customers. How long do you think you will be able to keep that up?
Address the issue.....every choice has its consequences.

Chris

 

[Atheris]

A true advocate you are...what would a "question to SS thread" be without its inevitable parasites. Let me get the pesticide...

Chris

 

[devilof76]

That's funny because by the level of color you failed to keep out of your posts, I was thinking, "Damn. This guy is using the issue just to grandstand about how much he hates Sidshow. What a cockroach."

So be careful where you aim that.

 

[robomorph]

Just three things to throw into the mix:

1) It's possible Sideshow themselves weren't initially aware how little resin was being poured into the Rotocast machine. Making the statue so thin might not have been a conscious decision. They don't have have an onsite representative at the HK factory so they wouldn't necessarily know precisely what volume of resin was being poured. Just a thought.

2) If they do instruct more resin to be introduced to thicken up the cast from this point on, it's unlikely they'd announce it anyway. Why? Because it would very publicly call their entire process of manufacture into question, and encourage everybody who has so far received one to demand a replacement. That they don't need. The problem so far is a perceived one; once it becomes an officially accepted one there's no going back from that PR-wise.

3) If the rest of the run rolls out without any breakages (including to international customers), then they will consider their responsibility successfully discharged, no matter how thin the cast is or isn't. So the issue would then be settled so far as they are concerned.

Personally I believe they'll take whatever measures are necessary to ensure the safe delivery of future statues - whether that is slightly thicker casts, more shipping protection, or a combination of the two - but I don't believe they'll make public exactly what measures they put in place to do that. And the only way anybody will ever know for sure is if they get a later statue and crack it open to find out.

I totally get why people are disappointed in the thin cast issue, and I'm sympathetic to that, but at the same time I doubt that particular line of enquiry is going to end with any kind of satisfactory closure. Frustrating no doubt, but there it is.

 

[tnaig001]

Just three things to throw into the mix:

1) It's possible Sideshow themselves weren't initially aware how little resin was being poured into the Rotocast machine. Making the statue so thin might not have been a conscious decision. They don't have have an onsite representative at the HK factory so they wouldn't necessarily know precisely what volume of resin was being poured. Just a thought.

2) If they do instruct more resin to be introduced to thicken up the cast from this point on, it's unlikely they'd announce it anyway. Why? Because it would very publicly call their entire process of manufacture into question, and encourage everybody who has so far received one to demand a replacement. That they don't need. The problem so far is a perceived one; once it becomes an officially accepted one there's no going back from that PR-wise.

3) If the rest of the run rolls out without any breakages (including to International Customers), then they will consider their responsibility successfully discharged, no matter how thin the cast is or isn't. So the issue would then be settled so far as they are concerned.

Personally I believe they'll take whatever measures are necessary to ensure the safe delivery of future statues - whether that is slightly thicker casts, more shipping protection, or a combination of the two - but I don't believe they'll make public exactly what measures they put in place to do that. And the only way anybody will ever know for sure is if they get a later statue and crack one open to find out.

I totally get why people are disappointed in the thin cast issue, and I'm sympathetic to that, but at the same time I doubt that particular line of enquiry is going to end with any kind of satisfactory closure. Frustrating no doubt, but there it is.

good and valid points

thanks :chew

 

[ozzfan84]

The thing is, because of the bust mishap, they knew people would be on high alert.

 

[Darth Snoopy]

guys, for criticism to be accepted, it has to be given constructively and objectively.

Name calling or assigning blame does not help bring about positive change or vibes.

What needs to be said has been said, "we would be grateful to have a statue with a thicker cast as the current casting seems to thin."

Let's leave it at that and leave SS some room to maneuver. No company wants to be told what to do, or be threatened into action.

The door swings both ways. Insisting on something can sometimes backfire on the intended purpose.

best wishes to all,
James.

QFT

Best post in this thread, IMO.

 

[Superman]

Just three things to throw into the mix:

1) It's possible Sideshow themselves weren't initially aware how little resin was being poured into the Rotocast machine. Making the statue so thin might not have been a conscious decision. They don't have have an onsite representative at the HK factory so they wouldn't necessarily know precisely what volume of resin was being poured. Just a thought.

2) If they do instruct more resin to be introduced to thicken up the cast from this point on, it's unlikely they'd announce it anyway. Why? Because it would very publicly call their entire process of manufacture into question, and encourage everybody who has so far received one to demand a replacement. That they don't need. The problem so far is a perceived one; once it becomes an officially accepted one there's no going back from that PR-wise.

3) If the rest of the run rolls out without any breakages (including to international customers), then they will consider their responsibility successfully discharged, no matter how thin the cast is or isn't. So the issue would then be settled so far as they are concerned.

Personally I believe they'll take whatever measures are necessary to ensure the safe delivery of future statues - whether that is slightly thicker casts, more shipping protection, or a combination of the two - but I don't believe they'll make public exactly what measures they put in place to do that. And the only way anybody will ever know for sure is if they get a later statue and crack it open to find out.

I totally get why people are disappointed in the thin cast issue, and I'm sympathetic to that, but at the same time I doubt that particular line of enquiry is going to end with any kind of satisfactory closure. Frustrating no doubt, but there it is.

I swear, sometimes people don't think before they post.. Let me educate you. All someone needs to do to find out if there is a thicker cast, is weigh the statue and compare it to the original's weight which we all know what it is.. No need to crack one open..lol..

Just three things to throw into the mix:

1) It's possible Sideshow themselves weren't initially aware how little resin was being poured into the Rotocast machine. Making the statue so thin might not have been a conscious decision. They don't have have an onsite representative at the HK factory so they wouldn't necessarily know precisely what volume of resin was being poured. Just a thought.

2) If they do instruct more resin to be introduced to thicken up the cast from this point on, it's unlikely they'd announce it anyway. Why? Because it would very publicly call their entire process of manufacture into question, and encourage everybody who has so far received one to demand a replacement. That they don't need. The problem so far is a perceived one; once it becomes an officially accepted one there's no going back from that PR-wise.

3) If the rest of the run rolls out without any breakages (including to international customers), then they will consider their responsibility successfully discharged, no matter how thin the cast is or isn't. So the issue would then be settled so far as they are concerned.

Personally I believe they'll take whatever measures are necessary to ensure the safe delivery of future statues - whether that is slightly thicker casts, more shipping protection, or a combination of the two - but I don't believe they'll make public exactly what measures they put in place to do that. And the only way anybody will ever know for sure is if they get a later statue and crack it open to find out.

I totally get why people are disappointed in the thin cast issue, and I'm sympathetic to that, but at the same time I doubt that particular line of enquiry is going to end with any kind of satisfactory closure. Frustrating no doubt, but there it is.

If they don't announce they are adding more resin to the roto-machine making the piece thicker..then I will not buy one.. Simple as that.. If they do announce it, I will feel 100% more comfortable in spending $2000 on this IM.

guys, for criticism to be accepted, it has to be given constructively and objectively.

Name calling or assigning blame does not help bring about positive change or vibes.

What needs to be said has been said, "we would be grateful to have a statue with a thicker cast as the current casting seems to thin."

Let's leave it at that and leave SS some room to maneuver. No company wants to be told what to do, or be threatened into action.

The door swings both ways. Insisting on something can sometimes backfire on the intended purpose.

best wishes to all,
James.

Are you saying I and others are threatening Sideshow somehow by us saying we will not buy this piece unless they announce to us that they are making it thicker? How is saying or implying that threatening Sideshow? However they should be concerned that I may not be the only one not buying this piece because of the thin cast. Furthermore the way Sideshow handles this IM's current situation will domino to every other piece this large with this price point they create. I certainly will question every piece from now on and be more skeptical before placing an order as I should be.

 

[Wanderer]

Jeez... If you're going to multi quote LEARN HOW TO DO IT PROPERLY

 

[robomorph]

I swear, sometimes people don't think before they post.. Let me educate you. All someone needs to do to find out if there is a thicker cast, is weigh the statue and compare it to the original's weight which we all know what it is.. No need to crack one open..lol..

Much as I hate to dispute this with someone who has X-Ray vision, I have to tell you that I did consider this in light of the fact that I've owned several identical statues with wildly varying weights. The only way you'd know for sure that the structurally weak parts have been specifically thickened would be to get the hammer out. Or in your case blow on it.

More pertinently, unless you break one to check you will never be certain whether SS thickened the cast or not - you can only assume it from weight - and from Sidehow's point of view you'll have no grounds for complaint on the basis of a mere assumption.

The relevant points here are 1) they are unlikely to thicken the cast 2) if they do they won't tell you.

And that's where the story ends. Anything after that is just headbutting.

(And btw, way to go for lashing out against somebody sympathetic to your point of view - good job there )

 

[Superman]

Much as I hate to dispute this with someone who has X-Ray vision, I have to tell you that I did consider this in light of the fact that I've owned several identical statues with wildly varying weights. The only way you'd know for sure that the structurally weak parts have been specifically thickened would be to get the hammer out. Or in your case blow on it.

More pertinently, unless you break one to check you will never be certain whether SS thickened the cast or not - you can only assume it from weight - and from Sidehow's point of view you'll have no grounds for complaint on the basis of a mere assumption.

The relevant points here are 1) they are unlikely to thicken the cast 2) if they do they won't tell you.

And that's where the story ends. Anything after that is just headbutting.

(And btw, way to go for lashing out against somebody sympathetic to your point of view - good job there )

In the last post, you were saying we were threatening Sideshow and then went on to list reasons why Sideshow will do nothing about this. How is that being sympathetic? Like I said, we know the average weight of this IM. If the average weight increases by 10-15 pounds or more in a few months when some more of these get delivered and they post pictures, we will know they thickened the cast or added some other plastic material for re-reinforcement within the statue. If the weight stays around the same, then we would know little to nothing was done in the re-reinforcement area. Either way we will know and or find out one way or another. also, making the cast thicker wouldn't mean it isn't break proof either. We have measurements of two different joint area's in the shoulder and the knee that have broken off. It is 1mm in thickness at the smallest point and 3mm at the most. It wouldn't be that hard to take a ruler if one of those joints breaks again. If Sideshow produces a hundred of these and sends them out to forum members throughout this year, I'm sure we will get lots more info. At the moment, we have SideshowDusty telling us something will be done to enhance the shipping container so that alone should lessen the breakage possibility. However that alone would not be enough for me to take the risk in spending $2,000 on this.

(And btw, I did not mean to lash out at you. My comment was meant for everyone in this forum and not directed at you. So many people write and give info as if they know everything and that their vision of how things are is the end all and be all to everything and my word is the final word. Your post's all had that type of vibe to them so I pointed out a flaw in your thinking. Polystone is heavy, so believe me when I tell you that if they make the cast thicker, just by picking the statue up you would be able to tell it has gained weight..lol.. I have no doubt there are varying weights between all of them (1 or two pounds at the most) but that is minuscule in comparison to making the whole cast thicker By adding just 1mm of polystone to the entire cast, it should weigh around 30%-40% more depending on what percentage is 1mm vs 3mm in the entire statue.. Do you dispute that fact? )

 

[robomorph]

Do you dispute that fact?

No I don't Superman. But I will say that it's still a moot one, because I don't believe that SS will change the thickness of the cast anyway.

But I'm certainly sympathetic to the argument that the cast should be thicker for the money - absolutely. And neither am I attempting to be an apologist for Sideshow (I never said anybody was 'threatening them' btw - think you might mixed me up with somebody else there). But at the same time, I've been through this kind of issue before with another product type and a different (larger) company, so I know how this will end - and it's always the private customer pressuring for disclosure and satisfaction who comes away feeling bruised, aggravated and upset, not the company. You're saying you won't buy the statue if they don't increase the thickness and I can dig that - I'm doing the same right now. (In fact I remember reading your original posts on the quality of the paint app and admiring that you took a stand on quality.) But all you're going to do here is to get embroiled in more and more online arguments (even with people that agree with you like me) and end up reiterating the same statement you made clear originally: 'I'm not going to buy that quality of statue for $2k'. So you can keep on fighting the good fight by all means, as long as you understand and appreciate that SS won't admit to fault on the casting and most likely won't change it. 'S all I'm saying.

And that -- seeing as how I don't presently intend to buy this piece -- is all I intend to say on it.

 

[Superman]

No I don't Superman. But I will say that it's still a moot one, because I don't believe that SS will change the thickness of the cast anyway.

But I'm certainly sympathetic to the argument that the cast should be thicker for the money - absolutely. And neither am I attempting to be an apologist for Sideshow (I never said anybody was 'threatening them' btw - think you might mixed me up with somebody else there). But at the same time, I've been through this kind of issue before with another product type and a different (larger) company, so I know how this will end - and it's always the private customer pressuring for disclosure and satisfaction who comes away feeling bruised, aggravated and upset, not the company. You're saying you won't buy the statue if they don't increase the thickness and I can dig that - I'm doing the same right now. (In fact I remember reading your original posts on the quality of the paint app and admiring that you took a stand on quality.) But all you're going to do here is to get embroiled in more and more online arguments (even with people that agree with you like me) and end up reiterating the same statement you made clear originally: 'I'm not going to buy that quality of statue for $2k'. So you can keep on fighting the good fight by all means, as long as you understand and appreciate that SS won't admit to fault on the casting and most likely won't change it. 'S all I'm saying.

And that -- seeing as how I don't presently intend to buy this piece -- is all I intend to say on it.

I agree with most of what you said except one single point. I do believe Sideshow will come out and admit to fault here in this forum with the thinness because they do want to sell lots of these in the end. They probably won't announce it on their main website, but they lose nothing announcing it in this forum. Hiding how thin they are at this point won't work since we know what they weigh. If they add weights to it, then they will still be thin and probably break in the same manners since a few breaking during shipping is expected regardless if the statue was solid polystone. . And if Sideshow only fixes the shipping box as Dusty has said, then they lose a sale and perhaps many more. My feelings will not be hurt and making the same statements over and over is commonplace in every thread since most people don't go back and read the whole thing. Sorry if I offended u, after re-reading my reply to you it was inappropriate and against my character. Thanks for your part in this thread. Hopefully Sideshow doesn't follow your advice. Peace

 

[915stag51]

Too many letters in this thread, it should be locked....

 

[Superman]

Too many letters in this thread, it should be locked....

No need to lock it. SideshowDusty has posted about our concerns with the thinness. It is only a matter of time that we will know what all the improvements will be to make us all more comfortable with spending $2,000. Plus this is your first post in this thread. Are you interested in buying this IM? If not, then don't come in here wanting a thread you have no vested interest in closed.

 

[tnaig001]

I swear, sometimes people don't think before they post.. Let me educate you. All someone needs to do to find out if there is a thicker cast, is weigh the statue and compare it to the original's weight which we all know what it is.. No need to crack one open..lol..



If they don't announce they are adding more resin to the roto-machine making the piece thicker..then I will not buy one.. Simple as that.. If they do announce it, I will feel 100% more comfortable in spending $2000 on this IM.



Are you saying I and others are threatening Sideshow somehow by us saying we will not buy this piece unless they announce to us that they are making it thicker? How is saying or implying that threatening Sideshow? However they should be concerned that I may not be the only one not buying this piece because of the thin cast. Furthermore the way Sideshow handles this IM's current situation will domino to every other piece this large with this price point they create. I certainly will question every piece from now on and be more skeptical before placing an order as I should be.

hi man. my post wasn't directed at anyone in particular, if i wanted that effect i would have quoted someone.

the words of one person is different from the chorus of many. when too many people start calling for a particular action with others chiming in to add a consequence for failing to comply for what they are calling for (even though it may simply be a cause and effect outcome) it can be perceived as a threat.

Dusty tried to come out and say that the issue was being looked into and the effect that had was for people to insist that things be changed in the way they wanted it to.

I think if I were SS or dusty, I would choose just not to say anything more when faced with a response like that.

Seriously, would anyone be receptive to the tone in which this thread has taken? I'm not directing this last bit at you sups but at all of us, me included.

How do we react if someone were to tell us how to run our business? I mean like many have said, SS isn't forcing anyone of us to buy this statue. they don't owe it to anyone to make this statue any way but the way they choose to.

We do have a choice whether to buy or not and while we can share our concerns because we are potential buyers, the way we do it can have a profound effect on how the seller will choose to react.