Why is your 1:2 Iron man so thin???

[Atheris]

I would support your accusation more if you owned one that been damaged. Then i think you know what you are talking about.

Your accusation base one one or two bad one. Name one batch of any products you known of that been perfect through their prodution.

We are not talking about a small blimish in a paint app. We are talking about and overall piece produced to such a low standard of quality that the asking price is an insult. What you are saying above is that the only way to have an opinion about an item is if you own it??...Do you know how ridiculous that sounds.
Dont you form an opinion about an item BEFORE you order it?...or else why the hell would you order it? But im sure you've never done that before. Your the only person on this planet that buys things first and asks questions later.

You clearly have no regard for money, quality or the concept of. That being said....I have a few things I would like to sell you.

Chris

 

[greatwall]

Why do you think Sideshow have a return and refund policy?

 

[ProgMatinee]

RETURN IT! Get your money back and move on.

This is just like any other product.

1)If you like it, buy it.

2)If you don't like, don't buy it (or return it).

What is SSC supposed to do to please you? Recreate the whole frakking mold? That would cost $1000s of dollars and basically destroy any profits they had expected on the item.

SSC offers refunds. Take advantage of that. You're an idiot if you expect SSC to remake the item differently when its all been designed, mold created, casted, painted and shipped...

If SSC wants to make a 1.1 version thats their perogative, but they don't have to tell you if they are or not.

 

[thx217]

RETURN IT! Get your money back and move on.

This is just like any other product.

1)If you like it, buy it.

2)If you don't like, don't buy it (or return it).

What is SSC supposed to do to please you? Recreate the whole frakking mold? That would cost $1000s of dollars and basically destroy any profits they had expected on the item.

SSC offers refunds. Take advantage of that. You're an idiot if you expect SSC to remake the item differently when its all been designed, mold created, casted, painted and shipped...

If SSC wants to make a 1.1 version thats their perogative, but they don't have to tell you if they are or not.

I agree with you. In my case, I like it and on Monday I'll decide whether to keep it or not.

However, not everyone(including you my friend) can see the real issue here. It always easy to come into a thread post stuff that you don't REALLY care about, isn't?

Sideshow advertised "collect like you give a damn". I'd say, produce like you give a damn.

 

[Atheris]

Why do you think Sideshow have a return and refund policy?

The point and purpose of this thread is consistently flying over your head. Thats evident with every post you have replied with so far. Im exhausted trying to explain my points with you and select others who are equally dumbfounded by the issues I've clearly illustrated. This thread and its questions are directed at SS...not "Greatwall". My beef isnt with you or anyone else....just SS. So carry on...

Chris

 

[Sweet Rabbit]

The problem is, this piece is $2k not too many people can afford it, so they use this issue to bash this piece. If this piece is solid, it will not make any difference in sale.

The only people should be complaining or criticizing are the actual owners.

What are the damage percentage compare to non-damage one?

who said people couldn't afford it? maybe people were saving up for it perhaps

 

[Ash Housewares]

RETURN IT! Get your money back and move on.

This is just like any other product.

1)If you like it, buy it.

2)If you don't like, don't buy it (or return it).

What is SSC supposed to do to please you? Recreate the whole frakking mold? That would cost $1000s of dollars and basically destroy any profits they had expected on the item.

SSC offers refunds. Take advantage of that. You're an idiot if you expect SSC to remake the item differently when its all been designed, mold created, casted, painted and shipped...

If SSC wants to make a 1.1 version thats their perogative, but they don't have to tell you if they are or not.

This post is full of ignorance. Some of us really wanted this item. Some of us live outisde the US where it will cost alot of money for shipping and also taxes. Its not as simple as return it. Sideshow SHOULD recall the whole product now that everyone knows their Sham.

Its not a case of not liking it. I think most people will agree its an impressive looking statue, hence why the thinness is such a dissapointment. We wouldn't bother posting here if we didn't like the look of the statue.

We have a right to let sideshow know our frustrations and who are you to say otherwise?

 

[Shai]

The Invincible Paper Man.

 

[Ash Housewares]

Easter is here soon

 

[robomorph]

The debate here is what you are GETTING for this 2k

Nearly $3k in Europe. And a nightmare to reclaim import taxes and duties in the event of a replacement or refund. So it's a much bigger investment all round for EU customers.

 

[ProgMatinee]

This post is full of ignorance. Some of us really wanted this item. Some of us live outisde the US where it will cost alot of money for shipping and also taxes. Its not as simple as return it. Sideshow SHOULD recall the whole product now that everyone knows their Sham.

Its not a case of not liking it. I think most people will agree its an impressive looking statue, hence why the thinness is such a dissapointment. We wouldn't bother posting here if we didn't like the look of the statue.

We have a right to let sideshow know our frustrations and who are you to say otherwise?

So have you tried calling SSC personally and demanding your shipping costs to be refunded in addition to your purchase price? What did they say?

YOU are full of ignorance if you think SSC is going to publicly "recall" a safe product. Does the thinness of the product create a safety concern? Maybe you can play that angle... Did SSC ever tell you how thick the item was? If not, then they didn't lie, did they? Does SSC make a guarantee on the life span of the product? Well do they?

SSC let you down no different than if SSC let down people on the quality of a 1/6th scale paint job. You have the right to return it. I say do it if you are not satisfied. All other talk is puffery on your part.

I feel bad for the foreign buyers, but its your government that collects fees and I guess thats an added risk you chose when you import an item. Maybe one day a company in your country will offer a product worth purchasing.

 

[Superman]

So have you tried calling SSC personally and demanding your shipping costs to be refunded in addition to your purchase price? What did they say?

YOU are full of ignorance if you think SSC is going to publicly "recall" a safe product. Does the thinness of the product create a safety concern? Maybe you can play that angle... Did SSC ever tell you how thick the item was? If not, then they didn't lie, did they? Does SSC make a guarantee on the life span of the product? Well do they?

SSC let you down no different than if SSC let down people on the quality of a 1/6th scale paint job. You have the right to return it. I say do it if you are not satisfied. All other talk is puffery on your part.

I feel bad for the foreign buyers, but its your government that collects fees and I guess thats an added risk you chose when you import an item. Maybe one day a company in your country will offer a product worth purchasing.

It is important to note that you are trying to create a problem here by singling out all of us who have been following this piece since its inception. You are trying to get us to respond to you and get upset at your tone and anger.

It will not work. I am a cool, calm and collected person and ultimately have bought lots of and have on pre-order lots of Sideshow products.

Sideshow has made some high quality products I am proud to own. However the way this IM is being made (too thin), and the high price it commands do not match. We have three so far in this forum (only Sideshow knows of the others) that have broken. Two members have measured the thickness at the smallest and largest points of the broken arm and leg. Ultimately the whole piece is too thin at certain parts and could use some more thickness for re-enforcement. I have also stated that a better paint job without orange peal would also be nice, however I can live with that over the thinness. If this is the quality the future of Sideshow products are going to take, I will take my business elsewhere. Simple as that. What I want is for Sideshow to address this issue and tell us what they are doing as we are what keeps their business alive. So take care and if you do continue this rant against us wanting a better product, you will go on my ignore list. Thanks and Have a Nice Day

 

[ProgMatinee]

If this is the quality the future of Sideshow products are going to take, I will take my business elsewhere. Simple as that.

As you should and thats my point. Begin now by returning your item for a refund. How else would you be "taking your business elsewhere" if its all just words...?

SSC will only come up with solutions if customers like you show that its a problem. Keeping the product but complaining doesn't make as big an impact as returning the product and explaining. Explain to them "I am returning this because..." and it will go a lot farther than. "I'm keeping this, but..."

What I want is for Sideshow to address this issue and tell us what they are doing as we are what keeps their business alive. So take care and if you do continue this rant against us wanting a better product, you will go on my ignore list. Thanks and Have a Nice Day

You can ignore me. I don't care, but just so you know my goal isn't to aggrevate you just to aggrevate you. My point is to show that your demands are fruitless without backbone. Backbone is :return the product: not demand them to answer your questions. Is an answer to your question or an apology going to magically thicken the product? No, so my impression is you all just want to attack SSC until you get a litre of blood out of them.

 

[ozzfan84]

Does the thinness of the product create a safety concern?

I don't know about safety, but I'd be kinda worried about something that thin eventually cracking under its own weight.

It could be a safety issue if you accidentally step on a shard of polystone.

 

[Atheris]

So have you tried calling SSC personally and demanding your shipping costs to be refunded in addition to your purchase price? What did they say?

YOU are full of ignorance if you think SSC is going to publicly "recall" a safe product. Does the thinness of the product create a safety concern? Maybe you can play that angle... Did SSC ever tell you how thick the item was? If not, then they didn't lie, did they? Does SSC make a guarantee on the life span of the product? Well do they?

SSC let you down no different than if SSC let down people on the quality of a 1/6th scale paint job. You have the right to return it. I say do it if you are not satisfied. All other talk is puffery on your part.

I feel bad for the foreign buyers, but its your government that collects fees and I guess thats an added risk you chose when you import an item. Maybe one day a company in your country will offer a product worth purchasing.

Have your ever bought a car, applience, tool or food that was recalled due to poor QC? Why would this piece be less subject to that than others.
Your the type of person with a persona advertising your ignorance and neglect of others concerns but your own. What if it was your daughter, son, mother or father that purchased and ate food that put them in a hospital or an applience that severely wounded them. Would you not target QC for the damages rendered? What if you could prevent it....what if you knew of a few cases ahead of time and were able to isolate it and prevent it before any damage was done?
Why is this issue any different?....is it less significant because its just a statue?
This is a statue that we know with production falws NOW....in its early production. Which if addressed early enough could save customers thousands of dollars in an investment which could fall apart soon down the road due to production oversites. With the most to lose here...SS's image and reputation synonymous with quality will be tarnished. Any and all Iron man products following this piece will probably follow suit and thus sell poorly or not at all. Your a fool to think this wont effect you somwhere down the line. Im sure you collect SS products yourself...if QC issues arent addressed or brought forward to SS now what message are we sending them? That they can do no wrong?
Thats why I created this thread...you can ether join the cause now. Or become a victim of poor QC down the road. Ether way...your honest opinion will count now and will count then when you care to voice it. In the meantime......dont belittle fellow collectors with your condescending attitude.

Chris

 

[tnaig001]

I don't know about safety, but I'd be kinda worried about something that thin eventually cracking under its own weight.

It could be a safety issue if you accidentally step on a shard of polystone.

Yup. Or accidents could occur if it were to collapse with children in close proximity.

 

[Superman]

Yup. Or accidents could occur if it were to collapse with children in close proximity.

I would be afraid to use a duster on it .. kidding. But accidents do and can happen. Re-sale value of this item will be very bad as very few people would be willing to take a risk and order this from a third party if it does happen to arrive in perfect shape to the original buyer.

 

[ProgMatinee]

Have your ever bought a car, applience, tool or food that was recalled due to poor QC? Why would this piece be less subject to that than others.
Your the type of person with a persona advertising your ignorance and neglect of others concerns but your own. What if it was your daughter, son, mother or father that purchased and ate food that put them in a hospital or an applience that severely wounded them. Would you not target QC for the damages rendered? What if you could prevent it....what if you knew of a few cases ahead of time and were able to isolate it and prevent it before any damage was done?
Why is this issue any different?....is it less significant because its just a statue?
This is a statue that we know with production falws NOW....in its early production. Which if addressed early enough could save customers thousands of dollars in an investment which could fall apart soon down the road due to production oversites. With the most to lose here...SS's image and reputation synonymous with quality will be tarnished. Any and all Iron man products following this piece will probably follow suit and thus sell poorly or not at all. Your a fool to think this wont effect you somwhere down the line. Im sure you collect SS products yourself...if QC issues arent addressed or brought forward to SS now what message are we sending them? That they can do no wrong?
Thats why I created this thread...you can ether join the cause now. Or become a victim of poor QC down the road. Ether way...your honest opinion will count now and will count then when you care to voice it. In the meantime......dont belittle fellow collectors with your condescending attitude.

Chris

You're not addressing the issue. You're distracted arguing about me instead. You don't have to like my attitude, but what does my attitude have to do with the fact that SSC apologizing to you or answering your demands immediately WILL NOT resolve your dissatisfaction? Like I said, will your statue magically increase its girth?

I'm not debating whether the product is inferior. I said it was. I don't think you should stand for it. But this product "is what it is".

The solution to prevent inferior products in the future is for consuers to reject the inferior product of the present. Are you rejecting this product? Will you return it and refuse replacement until the problem is rectified? If not then you're just bantering.

I don't have deep pockets to purchase this kind of product, but I've made plenty of stands against SSC and I've refused to purchase items I felt were inferior. And though I've bantered plenty, Lord knows, I believe my rejection of item to be the strongest statement I've made.

Regarding production flaws, realisticly what do you think it takes to "bolster" future production? It would take redoing the molds entirely!

Your examples about appliances and food are not valid, btw, completely different set of economics. This isn't a car or an XBox where millions of units will be made and thus a "fix" to the product is cost effective in the long term. This isn't a hamburger at a resteraunt where the 2nd burger can be made better if the first came out raw. This involves molds which have already been produced at the investment of probably $1000s.

SSC is more likely to just cease production entirely than reinvest on new molds. That might be the best case scenerio for them, but it won't get you a new product.

edit: my biggest beef from this thread though is the idea that people would let the item ship to them knowing it was broken and making SSC eat the loss. Because in reality the loss will be passed on to future consumers. Its best to just cancel the item. That said, I realize there is certain unusual circumstances for this item due to the cost, such as deposit. I support 100% everyone getting their full refund. I'm just being the realist here, I think it is impossible to expect SSC to improve this product after the fact. Future product hopefull will be fixed, but when have they ever taken back all product and started from scratch with new molds?

The Stealth Iron Man was their biggest recall I can remember and that was ony to fix paint, right?

 

[Superman]

You're not addressing the issue. You're distracted arguing about me instead. You don't have to like my attitude, but what does my attitude have to do with the fact that SSC apologizing to you or answering your demands immediately WILL NOT resolve your dissatisfaction? Like I said, will your statue magically increase its girth?

I'm not debating whether the product is inferior. I said it was. I don't think you should stand for it. But this product "is what it is".

The solution to prevent inferior products in the future is for consuers to reject the inferior product of the present. Are you rejecting this product? Will you return it and refuse replacement until the problem is rectified? If not then you're just bantering.

I don't have deep pockets to purchase this kind of product, but I've made plenty of stands against SSC and I've refused to purchase items I felt were inferior. And though I've bantered plenty, Lord knows, I believe my rejection of item to be the strongest statement I've made.

Regarding production flaws, realisticly what do you think it takes to "bolster" future production? It would take redoing the molds entirely!

Your examples about appliances and food are not valid, btw, completely different set of economics. This isn't a car or an XBox where millions of units will be made and thus a "fix" to the product is cost effective in the long term. This isn't a hamburger at a resteraunt where the 2nd burger can be made better if the first came out raw. This involves molds which have already been produced at the investment of probably $1000s.

SSC is more likely to just cease production entirely than reinvest on new molds. That might be the best case scenerio for them, but it won't get you a new product.

edit: my biggest beef from this thread though is the idea that people would let the item ship to them knowing it was broken and making SSC eat the loss. Because in reality the loss will be passed on to future consumers. Its best to just cancel the item. That said, I realize there is certain unusual circumstances for this item due to the cost, such as deposit. I support 100% everyone getting their full refund. I'm just being the realist here, I think it is impossible to expect SSC to improve this product after the fact. Future product hopefull will be fixed, but when have they ever taken back all product and started from scratch with new molds?

The Stealth Iron Man was their biggest recall I can remember and that was ony to fix paint, right?

Take a chill pill dude

Actually it wouldn't be that hard to fix this problem because the way the molding process occurs, more polystone needs to be injected into the casting's holes as they can keep the outside exactly the same. That would make it a few millimeters thicker and it would be a stronger statue overall. The added cost would be in extra polystone and then they can make the shipping box styrofoam molding a better fit without gaps. As for being a realist, I am one. And it is realistic for Sideshow to address this issue and correct the problems if they want this statue to sell a lot more. By making this piece so limited due to many people not wanting to take the risk and not many are sold followed by a lackluster secondary market due to people not taking the risks could make this piece rare 10 years from now and valuable having one intact. However Sideshow loses on a lot of sales which is what they should want with this item.

 

[ProgMatinee]

I'm chill! If its possible to fix the current molds, then its probably a reasonable expectation to fix future casts. But as I said I can't see them making new molds.

I wonder if this is a blessing or curse that this is one of the only items they offer on a "as ordered" basis.