1/6 Hot Toys MMS699 & MMS700 ROTJ Darth Vader

Wor-Gar · Oct 23, 2024

TonTon said:
Ouch, not kidding with the lack of folds. Is the ESB a decent cape?

Yes, very nice, just too long. I put the ESB cape on the ROTJ body but it was still too long (makes sense since they are the same body -- it's the helmet on the ROTJ that gives it a boost in height)

Speaking of ESB vs ROTJ, let's have a look at their helmets (forgive the dust on ESB)...

Wor-Gar · Oct 23, 2024

This might be clearer -- ESB vs ROTJ...

ROTJ is a little taller but its mostly the mask that gives more height -- mine has its legs spread too.

McHaleyArt · Oct 23, 2024

Wor-Gar said:
This might be clearer -- ESB vs ROTJ...

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ROTJ is a little taller but it’s mostly the mask that gives more height -- mine has its legs spread too.

All too easy.

𝘨⃨𝘭⃨𝘪⃨𝘵⃨𝘤⃨𝘩⃨10ᔦᔦ · Thursday at 12:25 AM

Wor-Gar said:
So HT didn't fix it on the regular release...?

Would have made those few packs in the first batch very valuable one day.

I think mine may have come from the first batch. Sugo (where mine came from) normally gets their supply a month later than Chinese retailers. Will be interesting to see if others are still getting that box with the 2nd batch. lol

Wor-Gar said:
OK, so lets start with the CAPES...

I think people will be surprised, but the ROTJ cape is the worst of the OT Vaders capes.

[NOTE: my ANH has the RO cape]

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ANH rolls the way its supposed to.

ESB is similar if not the same material but its too long.

ROTJ just has no shape -- you can push folds into it, and a few will stay, but that's it.

Thanks for the comparison! I haven't had time to throw the cape on him yet, so I immediately ordered a ANH cape. Looks like HT is cheaping out on the materials.

Wor-Gar · Thursday at 12:34 AM

OK, before everyone panics and buys a new cape, here's what happens when you add pennies into your ROTJ cape...

cape before pennies......................................................................................................................cape weighted with pennies

And here's what it looks like if you just do the right side...

Then there's that one guy... "But how many pennies do you need????" :panic:

HyperDrive · Thursday at 12:40 AM

Anyone know if MMS434 (Tarkin Vader) ANH cape is the same as MMS279 ANH cape or is it the MMS388 RO cape?

The reasons why I ask is because MMS434 was made after RO Vader so it brought certain things from the RO Vader and not OG 279, I’m just not sure about the cape…..

𝘨⃨𝘭⃨𝘪⃨𝘵⃨𝘤⃨𝘩⃨10ᔦᔦ · Thursday at 12:43 AM

Wor-Gar said:
Then there's that one guy... "But how many pennies do you need????

And then theres Canada! We don't have pennies anymore!! :panic:

I guess I'll just have to use dimes. Plus one dime is worth 10 pennies anyhow, so Vader's 'bout to be a rich mofo!

Wor-Gar · Thursday at 1:27 AM

All I know is that the RO cape was better than the ANH cape so I swapped it out. Not sure if Tarkin 2-pack is the same cape.

So here are the 3 VADERS... (these are my old poses and no pennies)...

ANH..........................................................................................ROTJ..........................................................................................ESB

Tomorrow I'll have the final poses and helmets (ROTJ on ESB, Shaw on ROTJ...)... got a lot of work to do on these guys...

HyperDrive · Thursday at 1:33 AM

Yeah.. the stock ROTJ cape is really letting it down. Welp, hoping the 434 cape is the same as RO, thank you. If not, I’ll need to go on the aftermarket or go custom, but what else is new?

Wor-Gar · Thursday at 1:39 AM

A custom cape made for Vader with the right material that created the right folds in a natural drape would be worth a pretty penny.

Remember also: the RO or Tarkin 2pack cape has a different/tighter collar -- you will have to pose the collar UNDER the helmet neck on ROTJ.

If you're a stickler, and want the collar outside the mask neck for that sloppy ROTJ look, then I support the penny solution.

𝘨⃨𝘭⃨𝘪⃨𝘵⃨𝘤⃨𝘩⃨10ᔦᔦ · Thursday at 4:51 AM

Feels good having a Vader in the collection again!

agonistes86 · Thursday at 5:22 AM

Great comparison shots, Wor-Gar.

Amazing how bad the ESB sculpt looks in comparison. His whole face is drooping to the front, creating a weird devastated expression.
The ROTJ definitely looks like HT's best Vader sculpt to date. The biggest point of improvement IMO is the inside of the mouth, the teeth and grill. There's a complete lack of depth, making it catch much more light than it should.

For the cape, since it's so integral for his silhouette, I definitely recommend the custom route. But the penny trick looks like a good quick fix.

Looking forward to your final setup/images.

Evil_Deadite · Thursday at 12:11 PM

Wor-Gar said:
OK, before everyone panics and buys a new cape, here's what happens when you add pennies into your ROTJ cape...

cape before pennies......................................................................................................................cape weighted with pennies

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And here's what it looks like if you just do the right side...

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Then there's that one guy... "But how many pennies do you need????"

Nice!! How are you attaching them to the cape?

Wor-Gar · Thursday at 12:15 PM

agonistes86 said:
Amazing how bad the ESB sculpt looks in comparison. His whole face is drooping to the front, creating a weird devastated expression.
The ROTJ definitely looks like HT's best Vader sculpt to date. The biggest point of improvement IMO is the inside of the mouth, the teeth and grill. There's a complete lack of depth, making it catch much more light than it should.

Yeah, its hard to point at one discrepancy on the ESB mask, because there's so many little thinks throwing it off -- the eyes are pulled back almost along the side of the head, the curved cheek-bridge to the nose is too short on the side, that mouth looks like a slightly taller, narrower triangle, chin vent is angle too far down, and the helmet top is too bulbous and entire mask too narrow... that, and I'm sure there's other little things.

But they did get the eye/tear divots!

Thankfully, this ROTJ mask pops right on as a replacement.

Evil_Deadite said:
Nice!! How are you attaching them to the cape?

Cape is two-layered, so in-between the layers.

GodParticle · Thursday at 5:47 PM

Up close I can't tell much of a difference on the ESB vs ROTJ sculpts, but zoomed out, it's like night and day improvement. ESB looks so bad haha

Edit: Putting mine together and the cape doesn't have the nice weight the old ones did. Another detail I never noticed was the collar. I thought it was way too wide, but looking at scenes, the leather bits actually look to sit on the outside of the helmet. Never knew that. Might have to try that penny trick

HyperDrive · Thursday at 6:55 PM

My LCS just informed me Sideshow has shipped out my Vader and is en route. Looks like I’ll be joining in on the party.

Wor-Gar · Thursday at 7:00 PM

A friend of mine got his Vader today and was underwhelmed... so a word to the wise: don't get your expectations too high. This is another HT Vader. It is still very toyish in many ways, the armor is still oversized and too shiny, thunder-thighs in giant boots, can't put the arms to his sides, etc. It takes some work. It takes some patience.

It's all about the parts that show when futzed.

Gipetto0812 · Thursday at 7:02 PM

Thanks for all the comparison pics @Wor-Gar :duff

very helpful

Gipetto0812 · Thursday at 7:05 PM

HyperDrive said:
Anyone know if MMS434 (Tarkin Vader) ANH cape is the same as MMS279 ANH cape or is it the MMS388 RO cape?

The reasons why I ask is because MMS434 was made after RO Vader so it brought certain things from the RO Vader and not OG 279, I’m just not sure about the cape…..

Not sure if this will be helpful or not, but the below image has the 3 next to each other.

RO>Tarkin Vader ANH 2.0>ANH 1.0

Wor-Gar · Thursday at 7:14 PM

That is helpful... looks like the RO cape is a better length but then he also looks taller.

I believe the RO, Tarkin 2-pack and ANH original capes are all longish. I shortened my RO cape a bit for my ANH Vader seen in pics above.

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