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[kiwiatlarge]

1986

i'm going to have to disagree with the hot toys commercial comment.. it's not like transformers where the toy company owns the franchise and viola, nothing stays the same. i think it made sense in the story they were telling. i mean, the overriding theme of the movie was about the armors.

1986. A low point for Generation 1 Transformers

 

[zackhigh1226]

Yeah but IM2 he gets mk4, mk5 and mk6. Also WM mk1 is beast. I will always like IM2 for said reasons. That end battle scene was epic.

That's fair...IM2 did have the cool end battle and the neat new armors (Mark 6, ftw). Don't get me wrong, I really like all three movies.

My understanding is that they only get that hot when they lose control and vaporize themselves. They are probably much cooler than that but yeah maybe hot enough to cut through those suits.

Even then, it still doesn't explain how the Mk42 was so fragile.

Yeah, that makes sense. It's at least feasible that they could become hot enough to melt/destroy the suits.

Mark 42 was a prototype of a new idea whose purpose was being able to assemble and disassemble easily when Tony needed it. I can understand why it was fragile, but I'd have preferred that it not be depicted like it was.

Most of the suits were not designed for combat in the first place, it was a sequence of armors made for testing every possible contingency by Tony who was losing his mind after Avengers, that he could hope to exert some control in a world that was now threatened by other planets and not just other people. High velocity suits (XIII, Shotgun), lightweight stealth suits (XI, XIV, Sneaky, Nightclub, Disco), high altitude suits (Python, Midas), heavy combat suits (HB, Tank) construction (Striker, Gamma, Fiddler, Igor) high energy suits (Blue Steel, Pison, Romeo, Centurion) disaster rescue (Southpaw, Snapper) riot control (Peacemaker), deep sea diving (Hammerhead), space travel (Starboost), modular prehensile suits (Bones, XLII). They were all boutique prototypes, it wasn't an army. That was kind of the point, and that even without armor or all his vast resources, he could still save the day with his cunning and wits. In the end, the man made the suits, the suits didn't make the man.

You make excellent points, and I really like that last sentence. Repped.

They where trying to hammer home the points from the previous films. Tony Stark is iron man. Not the suits. They showed Rhodey lose in the armor. All the armies lose without tony. And tony win without them. He's the hero, the suit is just a tool. Like a marine or soldier, they are the fighter and their gun is just a tool, and just because you have a gun doesn't mean you can do the same as the best Marine. Same with Stark. Just because you have the suit, or it's not tony in it, doesn't mean it can do all the same.

And the manic can't sleep, nightmares, and ocd with work or hyper vigilance is very typical of ptsd. Like the above poster said..he was trying to control every aspect of life by creating a specific suit for every scenario he could imagine.

Just as Rocbolt posted above, you make very good points, Motux.

"You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to Motuxmen again." Aww man.

 

[Starfleet Captain]

I am a bit pissed that 45 didn't show any progress in weapons/accessories like the previous final battle suits:

MarK III: The first red/gold suit with missiles, flares, arm shield, unibeam
Mark VI: arm grenades, wrist laser (one off)
Mark VII: new suit up, ammo packs, wrist laser (not one off)
Mark XLV: looks cool?

I'm still getting it anyway...

 

[LipSmack]

They where trying to hammer home the points from the previous films. Tony Stark is iron man. Not the suits. They showed Rhodey lose in the armor. All the armies lose without tony. And tony win without them. He's the hero, the suit is just a tool. Like a marine or soldier, they are the fighter and their gun is just a tool, and just because you have a gun doesn't mean you can do the same as the best Marine. Same with Stark. Just because you have the suit, or it's not tony in it, doesn't mean it can do all the same.

And the manic can't sleep, nightmares, and ocd with work or hyper vigilance is very typical of ptsd. Like the above poster said..he was trying to control every aspect of life by creating a specific suit for every scenario he could imagine.

all weve seen tony be able to do without the suits is box Happy... Tony is useless without the suit

oh and when he's not in the suit, he hides in a boat and remote controls it like a ***** cause he's worried Malen would kill him

 

[Motuxmen]

all weve seen tony be able to do without the suits is box Happy... Tony is useless without the suit

oh and when he's not in the suit, he hides in a boat and remote controls it like a ***** cause he's worried Malen would kill him

Did you watch any of the actual movies? That's all he does? He's a *****? I doubt a ***** would make sure the suit goes on pepper while helicopters are blowing them up. Or fight a super soldier in a diner (whole scene you just left out) or do any of the other stuff. But sure.

 

[LipSmack]

Did you watch any of the actual movies? That's all he does? He's a *****? I doubt a ***** would make sure the suit goes on pepper while helicopters are blowing them up. Or fight a super soldier in a diner (whole scene you just left out) or do any of the other stuff. But sure.

And the only reason that super soldier didnt kill him is because the writers couldnt have their main character die... and every thing he did to buy time was due to his suit tech, palm repulsor, flash grenade, etc.. IM3 made tony a joke. As for the armor on pepper thing, yes, that sequence was "heroic" but once its seen in the larger context of picking a fight with a terrorist, inviting said terrorist to your house (where pepper lives) and not prepping the 40+ other suits and wearing the dumbest suit youve ever invented around the living room, while you dont notice helicopter surrounding you place?

its all written to play to beats and doesnt do the character any justice

 

[subzro]

to each there own, i liked it

 

[LipSmack]

to each there own, i liked it

yeah, its a good lethal weapon spin off

safe to say shane black wont be working with marvel again though

 

[subzro]

Never say never. It made Marvel $$$$ and had good reviews from critics and fans. It's far from perfect but it worked.

 

[LipSmack]

Never say never. It made Marvel $$$$ and had good reviews from critics and fans. It's far from perfect but it worked.

good reviews from critics and fans? its one of the most panned films theyve made so far...

and it worked only because Marvel had to go in and retcon it witha one shot where they corrected shanes mess of the Mandarin... that one shot is the only redeeming thing about blacks work

 

[subzro]

good reviews from critics and fans? its one of the most panned films theyve made so far...

and it worked only because Marvel had to go in and retcon it witha one shot where they corrected shanes mess of the Mandarin... that one shot is the only redeeming thing about blacks work

I know comic fans were not happy with it but it scored higher than AoU and IM2 with the general public.

 

[cmiller99]

Physically, Tony is nothing without the suit. But the suits didn't give him the smarts to miniaturise an Arc reactor.

good reviews from critics and fans? its one of the most panned films theyve made so far...

Response to it was fairly in the middle actually. Most non-super geeks don't mind it.

 

[LipSmack]

Physically, Tony is nothing without the suit. But the suits didn't give him the smarts to miniaturise an Arc reactor.



Response to it was fairly in the middle actually. Most non-super geeks don't mind it.

well in a world where twilight was a success I guess IM3 was always gunna be good...

anyone who can think for themselves though should be able to see how massively flawed shanes take on IM was, even more so if they read the comics

 

[TimothyR]

all weve seen tony be able to do without the suits is box Happy... Tony is useless without the suit

oh and when he's not in the suit, he hides in a boat and remote controls it like a ***** cause he's worried Malen would kill him

i don't see what your problem is.. it's like saying.. "well, steve rogers didn't do anything without the super soldier serum", or "bruce banner doesn't do anything without being the hulk", or "black widow isn't anything without her spy skills", or "thor can't do anything without his powers"...

tony was a super successful eccentric weapon making billionaire prior to being kidnapped. he wasn't some kind of MMA champion, a martial arts expert, or an ex navy seal. what do you expect him to do?

i mean, he escaped captivity by turning a bunch of missiles and scraps into a suit of armor. he, with banner's help, created the worlds first artificial intelligence, his knowledge of technology seems unparalleled. he did break into the mandarin compound by using a bunch of stuff he bought at a hardware store. plus, he did say that he paid for everything, designed everything, and makes all of them look cool.

i just don't understand the argument here. if what you're saying is true, then all of these types of heroes are useless without the one thing that makes them heroes. i mean, you make his "remote control" suit sound like knock against him.. yet it was tony stark who built a suite of armor that is able to be operated remotely.

well in a world where twilight was a success I guess IM3 was always gunna be good...

anyone who can think for themselves though should be able to see how massively flawed shanes take on IM was, even more so if they read the comics

i can think for myself.. i am allowed to like something that plenty of other people didn't like. i just don't see how the movie was "massively flawed". was it a perfect movie? no. but i certainly enjoyed it, and isn't that the point of these movies?

 

[kiwiatlarge]

Ah well, I suppose it gives Thor:The Dark World a break..

 

[SilverStar17]

i can think for myself.. i am allowed to like something that plenty of other people didn't like. i just don't see how the movie was "massively flawed". was it a perfect movie? no. but i certainly enjoyed it, and isn't that the point of these movies?

Unfortunately with many things, that seems to be the mentality a lot of people have when somebody has a dissenting opinion or belief from what they have and insults are almost what they will always ultimately resort to. "Well, if you don't agree with me, it must mean because you are stupid, ignorant, uneducated, etc. because only a stupid person would not be able to see how much my opinion is the right one."

However, the fact that they usually have to resort to those kind of petulant insults in the first place generally indicates that they have little to no substance to substantiate their assertions.

Many times, I think comic book fans end up ruining movies for themselves. I can understand that sometimes, there are just some films where you simply didn't like it, but I often feel that people are too critical of a film to the point where they are vetting it to see what they can find wrong with it and end up ruining the film for themselves because instead of merely taking it for what it's meant to be, they're too focused on finding flaws and something that they can complain about. I even think that sometimes they end up confusing themselves to the point to where they're not even exactly certain on what it is they want to see.

When I go into a movie and when I watch a movie, I go in expecting to be entertained; not to see what it is that I can find wrong with it to give me something to gripe about. If I feel like I had fun and a blast going along for the ride, then I'm happy.

 

[LipSmack]

i don't see what your problem is.. it's like saying.. "well, steve rogers didn't do anything without the super soldier serum", or "bruce banner doesn't do anything without being the hulk", or "black widow isn't anything without her spy skills", or "thor can't do anything without his powers"...

tony was a super successful eccentric weapon making billionaire prior to being kidnapped. he wasn't some kind of MMA champion, a martial arts expert, or an ex navy seal. what do you expect him to do?

i mean, he escaped captivity by turning a bunch of missiles and scraps into a suit of armor. he, with banner's help, created the worlds first artificial intelligence, his knowledge of technology seems unparalleled. he did break into the mandarin compound by using a bunch of stuff he bought at a hardware store. plus, he did say that he paid for everything, designed everything, and makes all of them look cool.

i just don't understand the argument here. if what you're saying is true, then all of these types of heroes are useless without the one thing that makes them heroes. i mean, you make his "remote control" suit sound like knock against him.. yet it was tony stark who built a suite of armor that is able to be operated remotely.



i can think for myself.. i am allowed to like something that plenty of other people didn't like. i just don't see how the movie was "massively flawed". was it a perfect movie? no. but i certainly enjoyed it, and isn't that the point of these movies?

Ill have to get back to most of this tomorrow at work, basically IM3 stripped tony of what made him a hero, and the one sequence where the suit actually shined, it turned out he was hiding away from the action on a boat, no self risk, nor heroics. Or I should say, super heroics. As you mentioned above, it is like saying cap without the serum is useless, except shane black didnt do it to xap, he did it to tony. Same thing applies to any of them, why bother making a movie about normal people? This was basically the 21st century McGuyver movie, except people would have expected exactly what they got.

The writing sucked, simple, the movie then sucked because it had no legs to stand on. It simply ruined a decent character. Thr one shot and all movies after completely retconned and ignored that film, which speaks to marvels awareness of the blunders, like what you like, but if youre going to defend it then be prepared for a back and forth on it

 

[LipSmack]

Unfortunately with many things, that seems to be the mentality a lot of people have when somebody has a dissenting opinion or belief from what they have and insults are almost what they will always ultimately resort to. "Well, if you don't agree with me, it must mean because you are stupid, ignorant, uneducated, etc. because only a stupid person would not be able to see how much my opinion is the right one."

However, the fact that they usually have to resort to those kind of petulant insults in the first place generally indicates that they have little to no substance to substantiate their assertions.

Many times, I think comic book fans end up ruining movies for themselves. I can understand that sometimes, there are just some films where you simply didn't like it, but I often feel that people are too critical of a film to the point where they are vetting it to see what they can find wrong with it and end up ruining the film for themselves because instead of merely taking it for what it's meant to be, they're too focused on finding flaws and something that they can complain about. I even think that sometimes they end up confusing themselves to the point to where they're not even exactly certain on what it is they want to see.

When I go into a movie and when I watch a movie, I go in expecting to be entertained; not to see what it is that I can find wrong with it to give me something to gripe about. If I feel like I had fun and a blast going along for the ride, then I'm happy.

You should read extremis, amd see what could have been far simpler and 10x more interesting

Shane black simply has a genre he needs to stick too, hell I think he could have done a good cap movie, but he doesnt work in Iron mans story

 

[boylost99]

Its not the serum that makes cap but his courage. It just amplifies it. "It makes good man great" so to speak. Just as tony uses his intelligence in tech to shine. Honestly never liked the solo iron man movies as much as seeing him in a team movie. He shines more there. IM3 was flawed due to the script but it had action though. Still not as bad as thor dark world. XD

 

[CollectorGuy]

I'm not entirely convinced the bad ideas with the mandarin and god knows what other things were even in shane's control. For all i know disney dictated how it was done. If i recall it was mentioned once that shane was forced to cut out like almost another hour of the movie, so who knows what IM3 could have been.