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[Starscream Soundwave]

I think that's the point he was trying to make. Their is actually no point to making these die-cast other than added wight and feel in hand. They serve no purpose in actually making the figure "better".

Weight and sturdiness are often measures of quality. A plasticky feel is not.


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[loki2371]

Weight and sturdiness is often a measure of quality. A plasticky feel is not.


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Not to me. I put it on my shelf behind closed doors and admire it. I don't take it out to look at it and marvel at its heft. I don't take it out to show someone and say "Feel how heavy he is, isn't that so cool!''. And without touching them, not too many people could tell you which were plastic or die-cast by merely gazing at them. I don't think there is one collectible I own that I base my enjoyment on to how it feels in my hand. I have a bunch of statues of varying weights, and the nicest ones I own surely are not the heaviest.

 

[Starscream Soundwave]

Not to me. I put it on my shelf behind closed doors and admire it. I don't take it out to look at it and marvel at its heft. I don't take it out to show someone and say "Feel how heavy he is, isn't that so cool!''. And without touching them, not too many people could tell you which were plastic or die-cast by merely gazing at them. I don't think there is one collectible I own that I base my enjoyment on to how it feels in my hand. I have a bunch of statues of varying weights, and the nicest ones I own surely are not the heaviest.

I was speaking generally. I totally understand why people prefer plastic to diecast when it comes to figures, if you are literally just looking at them then of course the materials used make no difference. I was just making the point that weight IS a measure of quality. Plastic, on the other hand, tends to be thought of as cheap.


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[subzro]

I was speaking generally. I totally understand why people prefer plastic to diecast when it comes to figures, if you are literally just looking at them then of course the materials used make no difference. I was just making the point that weight IS a measure of quality. Plastic, on the other hand, tends to be thought of as cheap.


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It's thought of as cheap until you get in accident with your car and realize how expensive plastic really is

 

[Starscream Soundwave]

It's thought of as cheap until you get in accident with your car and realize how expensive plastic really is

Haha!


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[loki2371]

I was speaking generally. I totally understand why people prefer plastic to diecast when it comes to figures, if you are literally just looking at them then of course the materials used make no difference. I was just making the point that weight IS a measure of quality. Plastic, on the other hand, tends to be thought of as cheap.


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Yeah, I wasn't actually disagreeing with you. Your right in how different people will judge things by different means. And that there are a lot of people that would judge based on feel in hand. But that's their bad.

 

[Starscream Soundwave]

Yeah, I wasn't actually disagreeing with you. Your right in how different people will judge things by different means. And that there are a lot of people that would judge based on feel in hand. But that's their bad.

Yeah, I know haha. It's really just a personal thing - and seeing as all most people's figures do is sit on a shelf, I get why heft and feel doesn't really matter to the majority.


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[SilverStar17]

I personally like the die-cast because Iron Man's suit is metal and well...yeah. Simple as that for me. Same with the die-cast shields on Cap figures.

 

[Motuxmen]

Weight and sturdiness are often measures of quality. A plasticky feel is not.


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Wrong. Weight is not a measure of quality, generally speaking. It's often a by product, at best. What other product do you ever buy where you go and want something heavier? When is it ever a true sign of quality? Outside of possibly gem stones and precious metal.

Outside of a cold feeling in some conditions you can't tell the difference between plastic parts and DC ones on an assembled figure. If they threw a metal bar in the torso and said it was diecast or charged more (or sand or anything heavy to add weight really) and didn't disclose what is metal most people that prefer DC could not tell the difference. And then when you factor in the materials used for DC are such cheap crappy metals it makes it less quality not more. There are almost no products that quality is equated to weight. Not in cars, TVs, stereos, phones, laptops, houses, toasters, shoes, clothing, art, furniture, food...there's almost nothing where weight (especially as by itself) is considered quality. What makes something high quality has nothing to do with weight. As I said, at best it's a by product.

My entire point is that it's a gimmick. Outside of a weight there is in fact ZERO benifit to a part being DC over plastic. It's spin. It's a false quality. It's not actually made better, it doesn't hold up better, it's not more sturdy, there's no added structural features, it doesn't upgrade the appearance. All it does is weigh more. That's it. Lol

Sturdiness is not weight. Carbon fiber is one of the sturdiest materials on the planet. Lighter then plastic. But it feels like plastic when it's raw. DC isn't sturdier. Actually it will cause failure of the figure faster compared to plastic Becuase it doesn't hold its surface as well and adds stress to joints.

Rubber bodies weigh more then plastic. And actually look better so they have an advantage DC does not vs plastic. But I don't see the argument being made that rubber is better just Becuase its heavier. It's the exact same principle.

 

[Motuxmen]

I personally like the die-cast because Iron Man's suit is metal and well...yeah. Simple as that for me. Same with the die-cast shields on Cap figures.

The shield I can see. But I don't get why it matters on the figure. The human ones are not expected to be flesh. Lol and only a very small portion of the figure is actually metal. And it's not even remotely close to the same material. The metal used in the figures is about as far from the stated suit material on screen as can be. A real suit would be much more likely to be made from a material closer to the plastic figure then the DC figures(carbon fiber or Kevlar or something like that)..to make it able to move and fly and be anywhere near as thin as its depicted it wouldn't be mostly metal. Most of it would be some type of plastic or composit.

Also, the suits made to wear on set are fiberglass and resin. So the plastic is closer to the "real suit" lol

Yeah, I know haha. It's really just a personal thing - and seeing as all most people's figures do is sit on a shelf, I get why heft and feel doesn't really matter to the majority.


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As for "feel"...go grab a plastic and a DC figure and without pulling any pieces off or knowing for sure ahead of time, tell me which ones are DC and which are plastic. It's not like you can really tell for the most part. They don't feel any different.

 

[kiwiatlarge]

I just wish they'd make the Mark XLV out of vibranium...

 

[LipSmack]

Ive said it before, diecast is only important if you enjoy flying your $400 dollar toy around a room making fwoosh noises...

 

[Starscream Soundwave]

Wrong. Weight is not a measure of quality, generally speaking. It's often a by product, at best. What other product do you ever buy where you go and want something heavier? When is it ever a true sign of quality? Outside of possibly gem stones and precious metal.

Outside of a cold feeling in some conditions you can't tell the difference between plastic parts and DC ones on an assembled figure. If they threw a metal bar in the torso and said it was diecast or charged more (or sand or anything heavy to add weight really) and didn't disclose what is metal most people that prefer DC could not tell the difference. And then when you factor in the materials used for DC are such cheap crappy metals it makes it less quality not more. There are almost no products that quality is equated to weight. Not in cars, TVs, stereos, phones, laptops, houses, toasters, shoes, clothing, art, furniture, food...there's almost nothing where weight (especially as by itself) is considered quality. What makes something high quality has nothing to do with weight. As I said, at best it's a by product.

My entire point is that it's a gimmick. Outside of a weight there is in fact ZERO benifit to a part being DC over plastic. It's spin. It's a false quality. It's not actually made better, it doesn't hold up better, it's not more sturdy, there's no added structural features, it doesn't upgrade the appearance. All it does is weigh more. That's it. Lol

Sturdiness is not weight. Carbon fiber is one of the sturdiest materials on the planet. Lighter then plastic. But it feels like plastic when it's raw. DC isn't sturdier. Actually it will cause failure of the figure faster compared to plastic Becuase it doesn't hold its surface as well and adds stress to joints.

Rubber bodies weigh more then plastic. And actually look better so they have an advantage DC does not vs plastic. But I don't see the argument being made that rubber is better just Becuase its heavier. It's the exact same principle.

Tell me, would you prefer a phone made of metal or one made of plastic? Plastic trim in your car, or metal? A heavy door that shuts with a solid thud or a light one that rattles when it closes? Solidity, sturdiness and weight are all indicators of quality, whether you think so or not.

 

[LexiKon318]

Screw diecast Iron Man figs ... 1/4 is where it's at!


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[epitaph04]

I hope the next few iron man figs weigh like 50 lbs. Good quality.

 

[Starscream Soundwave]

I've never said the die cast armours are higher quality. In fact I've hardly mentioned figures at all.

 

[LipSmack]

Tell me, would you prefer a phone made of metal or one made of plastic? Plastic trim in your car, or metal? A heavy door that shuts with a solid thud or a light one that rattles when it closes? Solidity, sturdiness and weight are all indicators of quality, whether you think so or not.

for my figures its plastic all day

obviously a car engine requires metal, toys do not

 

[Starscream Soundwave]

for my figures its plastic all day

obviously a car engine requires metal, toys do not

I didn't mention engines, or anything that has to use a certain material. A phone will work exactly the same whether it's made out of plastic or metal. An Aston Martin works the same way a Hyundai does. Material choice is a factor in quality.

Understand completely why you'd prefer plastic in figures though.

 

[Starscream Soundwave]

As for "feel"...go grab a plastic and a DC figure and without pulling any pieces off or knowing for sure ahead of time, tell me which ones are DC and which are plastic. It's not like you can really tell for the most part. They don't feel any different.

I find there is a big difference between my plastic figures and my die cast.

 

[LipSmack]

I didn't mention engines, or anything that has to use a certain material. A phone will work exactly the same whether it's made out of plastic or metal. An Aston Martin works the same way a Hyundai does. Material choice is a factor in quality.

Understand completely why you'd prefer plastic in figures though.

phones still require metals in circuitry components, but yeah, toys also work the exact same plastic or metal, Gundams are a pretty good example