*BEWARE SPOILERS* Deadpool & Wolverine (July 26th, 2024)

[chrisstbh]

Got it!



Is that X-23? I thought Alioth killed her with the others when they jumped through the portal.

TVA brought them all back somehow, X-23 went with Wade and Logan and Elektra, Gambit & Blade went home.

 

[chrisstbh]

Spider-Man was better. had better villain cameos that made sense, and had a more coherent better story.

Meh, I just really don’t like Tom Holland in the role.

It was nice to See Tobey, Willem, etc. again but I had a lot more fun with this movie overall.

 

[Rui Ram]

TVA brought them all back somehow, X-23 went with Wade and Logan and Elektra, Gambit & Blade went home.

How do we know Electra, Gambit and Blade were saved? Could be possible they died…

I don’t think we know either way.

 

[chrisstbh]

How do we know Electra, Gambit and Blade were saved? Could be possible they died…

I don’t think we know either way.

Wade asks her B15 to bring back those that helped him, including Laura.

 

[The Buffinator]

Jye's our anchor being. He's dead now, so we are done for.

I thought Ducky was our anchor being.

 

[Rui Ram]

Wade asks her B15 to bring back those that helped him, including Laura.

And the TVA agent says “we’ll see what we can do” or something along those lines.

I also remember in that final battle Blade and Elektra take some serious damage.

They did off Johnny Storm so I wouldn’t assume the others are off limit.

I’m not saying they’re dead, just that we have no idea.

 

[chrisstbh]

And the TVA agent says “we’ll see what we can do” or something along those lines.

I also remember in that final battle Blade and Elektra take some serious damage.

They did off Johnny Storm so I wouldn’t assume the others are off limit.

I’m not saying they’re dead, just that we have no idea.

TV/Movie rule number one: if you don’t see them die then they’re probably not dead.

Blade has a healing factor and I’m pretty sure Elektra just got stabbed in the leg.

 

[The Buffinator]

And the TVA agent says “we’ll see what we can do” or something along those lines.

I also remember in that final battle Blade and Elektra take some serious damage.

They did off Johnny Storm so I wouldn’t assume the others are off limit.

I’m not saying they’re dead, just that we have no idea.

They all survived the battle with Cassandra’s minions but they didn’t run for cover afterwards so I think we were to assume that Alioth devoured them. But the TVA could just show up right before that moment and grab them (presumably how X23 is saved) so it’s still open for interpretation.

 

[Rui Ram]

And the TVA agent says “we’ll see what we can do” or something along those lines.

I also remember in that final battle Blade and Elektra take some serious damage.

They did off Johnny Storm so I wouldn’t assume the others are off limit.

I’m not saying they’re dead, just that we have no idea.

 

[JacktheRipper]

I thought Ducky was our anchor being.

So Jye's death means nothing. Way to go MCU. We didn't see Jye die, so there is hope.

 

[crows]

The entire anchor being and time ripping machine concept are super nonsensical but the movie was just super fun even if it didn’t deliver the multiverse that I was hoping for (Fox X-Men in comic costumes joining the EG battle).

I’m married believe me I used to not getting what I want.

I miss when jye had the golden tooth hulk avatar lol.
I can't tell if you liked it or not. here's the mash up this movie needed

 

[jye4ever]

Now remember just because the movie was super entertaining does it mean that the cameos were not pointless and ultimately the movie was ever only about one thing and one thing only and that was saving Deadpool’s universe and nothing else.

Therefore the MCU remains stagnant with no clear cut Avengers team or narrative.

D&W didn’t move the needle the multiverse narrative wheels remain stuck in the mucky mud.

Doomsday indeed.

 

[Johnny Utah]

Gonna need Gambit back for the next Avengers films.

 

[The Buffinator]

Gonna need Gambit back for the next Avengers films.

I don’t know about the Avengers movies but whenever they get around to doing the X-Men could we see Channing Tatum returning to the role? Perhaps this was a successful audition?

 

[MeatHookGekko]

Therefore the MCU remains stagnant with no clear cut Avengers team or narrative. D&W didn’t move the needle the multiverse narrative wheels remain stuck in the mucky mud.

IMHO, the short lived TV series Counterpart was really best kind of practical compromise for a "multiverse" storyline for a mostly casual audience. Something to consider is that you can't rack up huge dollars, and worldwide appeal without creating something that is digestible for the casual viewer. For example, Christopher Nolan's Interstellar has some major plot holes and some real structural problems. But it has a fairly well done parent/child dynamic that's openly manipulative, it has good star/cast firepower, it has an amazing soundtrack and some game changing visual effects. But since the average casual viewer isn't going to follow too much of a plotline with too much hard science behind it, that was the best compromise available. And it was popular and made tons of money. On the flip side, SyFy's 12 Monkeys tv series had a pretty complex and structured roadmap, mostly very well done, and all that time travel just lost the casual audience eventually.

Counterpart's storyline gives you a "Prime" universe and an "Alpha" universe and that's it. It's a multiverse built on having just one doppleganger. And that set up naturally creates tension, complexity, character arcs and real functional structure. It's putting your writers room in a position to win. Here's the problem. From a skill standpoint, JK Simmons is simply a better actor than the core original Avengers. I have nothing against RDJ, Hemsworth, Evans, ScarJo, and Renner. Ruffalo is a total moron and a limited actor, so he's definitely not pulling it off. Fun to watch and having the physicality/charisma to be a super hero lead is not the same as having the technical skill to pull off two different characters and sell so many complex distinctions between the two to a widespread audience.

The MCU, the current lineup, doesn't have the acting firepower to really build out a Counterpart like multiverse. Who can do it? Who has the legitimate acting talent to pull it off? Florence Pugh. Hailee Steinfeld. Sam Rockwell proved he could do it in Duncan Jone's Moon. Benedict Cumberbatch. Benedict Wong, though he's a minor character. This was only feasible if Ed Norton had stayed on as the Hulk from the start and Feige got his first choice for Black Widow, Emily Blunt. They could do it. But that's just not enough against the entire MCU roster. You can't really sell major films with just Justin Hammer, Wong and Girl Hawkeye.

The other issue is once you get the actuaries and bean counters involved, the character lineup is a list of assets first and foremost. If you break down the entire history of the Indiana Jones franchise, to actuaries and bean counters, it left money on the table. There were several long gaps that could have been filled with comics, graphic novels, TV series, web shorts, other films, tie in books, etc, etc. Now whether there were any good stories to be told is a different matter. But there are basic breakdowns of how to maximize milking the cow until it falls over. It's not about telling a good story then. It's not even about true filmmaking. It's just producing content. You are now an energy drink company. You aren't making movies, you are making neon billboards for cases of energy drinks or super protein chocolate milk or whatever else.

A dying MCU character who stays dead, even from a narrative standpoint that makes sense will be seen as a lost asset. Can you prop that cow up somehow? Then why can't you milk it? That's the methodology here. The reason the MCU keeps giving you the same tired repeated multiverse story over and over again ( i.e. you will destroy yourself in the pursuit of changing the past, if you do get it, you will regret what you have become, with "cost certainty" that's false also comes the loss of hope) is they can't functionally give you anything else. They don't have the acting firepower. The casual audience can only handle a certain level of complexity in the narrative. The people in charge are running an energy drink company first and foremost. It's just content. Their last stand is convincing themselves that you'll hate watch it anyway, talk about it non stop anyway, even if it's bad, and still rack up your preorder list with merchandise and action figures from The Big Mouse's overall banner. (Are they wrong there?)

A good MCU multiverse story is only possible IMHO if that film is segmented off from the main Avengers storylines. You get smaller, not bigger. You focus on getting real acting firepower, people with the skill set, even if they aren't the most bankable nor look good in the costume. You give characters that people will care about, not surface level cut outs for quippy humor and more brand merchandising. But you will never see that film. Because energy drink companies don't make films in the first place. They make content. They are daring you to cancel every last Disney product off your Hot Toys preorder list and expect that you won't really do it.

It used to be, these juggernaut corporations would treat you like a whore, but not say it out loud. Because why do that. That's rude and it's undignified. Now they are not only OK with saying it out loud, they are proud to do it, they are actually using it for viral marketing too. They won't change, but you can. You can walk away entirely. If enough people do that, the worst parts of these energy drink companies will finally die.

Spoiler

 

[chrisstbh]

Enjoy.

 

[jye4ever]

Wow that’s really annoying and disgusting.

I don’t want any dogs or cats and dogpool was a useless sub plot in the movie a waste of valuable screen time.

I feel bad for people who buy expensive collectibles from owners who have dogs and cats near their collectibles i’ve seen it it’s horrible with dog and cat hair and slob all over the figures and statues yuck.

It’s a real problem.

 

[chrisstbh]

Nah, Dogpool for President.

 

[intothevoid]

She was a threat I can agree with that.

She was well acted and very menacing and quite pretty.

The problem with her was her motivation and the main plot of the movie.

Why would she want to destroy the universe just to make herself king of the void?

Wouldn’t destroying the universe mean that she wouldn’t get any new people dumping into the void to rule over?

Did I just say into the void lol

 

[BeefEaster]

I'm not easily grossed out, but the swapping of bodily fluids really grosses me out for some reason.

That and when people have food particles on their faces/hands.