1/6 Hot Toys - MMS 320 - Star Wars Ep.VII - Kylo Ren

[YankeesFanboy]

There are five hidden pixels when clicking to the right of the sixth thread in the the second for sale sub-forum. Come on, you should know this, I thought you were one of the 196 members. Send me a PM for the secret knock.

I think I fixed the gif. May have gone 7175-up because I uploaded a file I already had in my attachments gallery and it didn't get added to the post properly.

I'm pretty sure this is a lyric in The Age of Aquarius.

 

[Darkseed]

money is on the one eyed guy on the right

 

[cmiller99]

You are one of few then.

Seriously though, who else says that? You're making assumptions.

Looks decent enough to me, just a bad angled shot IMO.

Looks like a cartoon to me.

How about this one?

It is the same force power enabling them to do those feats.

I brought it up, it was Force Valor. It never was, but you just answered your own original question, the "ability" is an extension of the force.

There are plenty of Plot Holes in the OT as well, PLENTY. What EU novels fill the plot holes in the PT?

I never said that there weren't any in the OT. But, prequel defenders have a recurring habit of using the EU to justify their arguments. Like describing the characters - Mace Windu is an emotionless robot in these movies. Yet some people insist that he is the baddest ass warrior in the galaxy, super talented with a lightsaber etc. They only say that because he's Samuel L. Jackson, and because other EU novels did a better job of characterisation. Really, all the guy does in the movies is sit in a chair, do nothing and then awkwardly swing a lightsaber around and decapitate some guy who'd just been trampled by a dinosaur. And then he takes the longest time to raise his lightsaber to kill Sidious that Anakin can cut off his hand from across the room. Some bad ass indeed.

There are five hidden pixels when clicking to the right of the sixth thread in the the second for sale sub-forum. Come on, you should know this, I thought you were one of the 196 members. Send me a PM for the secret knock.

 

[Asta]

money is on the one eyed guy on the right

You might want to reconsider...

 

[Darkseed]

You might want to reconsider...

resilient little bastid...he keeps,getting up. Love minions.....

 

[YankeesFanboy]

I for one love the PT/OT talk and the Minion gifs. The less we have to talk about you-know-who, the better.

 

[WWEJedi]

Seriously though, who else says that? You're making assumptions.

Looks like a cartoon to me.

How about this one?

I never said that there weren't any in the OT. But, prequel defenders have a recurring habit of using the EU to justify their arguments. Like describing the characters - Mace Windu is an emotionless robot in these movies. Yet some people insist that he is the baddest ass warrior in the galaxy, super talented with a lightsaber etc. They only say that because he's Samuel L. Jackson, and because other EU novels did a better job of characterisation. Really, all the guy does in the movies is sit in a chair, do nothing and then awkwardly swing a lightsaber around and decapitate some guy who'd just been trampled by a dinosaur. And then he takes the longest time to raise his lightsaber to kill Sidious that Anakin can cut off his hand from across the room. Some bad ass indeed.

Well, when every thread in the Star Wars section is riddled with PT hate and bashing while the OT lovers act like little miss innocent, yeah, I assume they think the OT is perfect. I could start a thread right now, for everyone to list all the OT flaws. I would get nothing but stupid gif replies and probably insults. Guarantee it.

Over-exaggerating once again.... "looks like a cartoon to me"

Alright, just as Mace Windu is a emotionless robot, so is Leia, actually, Leia is way more of an emotionless robot. Mace character is just that, an emotionless (as Jedi are supposed to be) Jedi. He is played by Samuel L Jackson, I think with that casting the audience assumes he is a bada**. EU does not need to justfy this fact, he walks in Geonosis and confronts Dooku face to face, he basically arrived, raised hell, and won, bada***, no EU novel needs to explain that. Mace was featured in the Clone Wars comics and had one centered novel really just based on and .... sure, it helped solidify his status as one of the greatest Jedi at the time, but it is not needed to follow the movies, unless you are clueless.

I can make the same argument about Leia. Her planet gets destroyed and she does nothing. Friends, family, her home, poof, and nothing. Emotionless robot... at least Mace has a pretty dang good reason to be emotionless... he is a Jedi... Leia is a normal human and shows nothing. So why can Mace get bashed for this... but Leia doesn't?

Nostalgia blinds.

 

[cmiller99]

Well, when every thread in the Star Wars section is riddled with PT hate and bashing while the OT lovers act like little miss innocent, yeah, I assume they think the OT is perfect. I could start a thread right now, for everyone to list all the OT flaws. I would get nothing but stupid gif replies and probably insults. Guarantee it.

You probably would, because people would think that you were trolling. However, people in this thread have categorically stated that they don't think the OT are perfect movies. Keep in mind that we are the people arguing that the prequels are bad here. Perfect is a big word. I could come up with many OT flaws if I wanted to, but that's a waste of my time. There are flaws. They exist. No one in this thread is denying that, so why are you trying to tell us that we think that way?

Over-exaggerating once again.... "looks like a cartoon to me"

I'm not exaggerating. It looks like a computer animated cartoon. Here's a link to a bigger version of the picture, it's got a higher resolution. For some reason I couldn't get it to link at this size.

img2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20130122235606/starwars/images/e/ee/GungansOfEveryShapeAndSize-TPM.png

That looks like something someone built in a computer, not a bunch of real aliens standing in a real forest.

Alright, just as Mace Windu is a emotionless robot, so is Leia, actually, Leia is way more of an emotionless robot. Mace character is just that, an emotionless (as Jedi are supposed to be) Jedi. He is played by Samuel L Jackson, I think with that casting the audience assumes he is a bada**.

Exactly what I'm saying. People who like these movies are filling in the gaps with assumptions, not what's actually in the movie. Samuel L. Jackson is not Samuel L. Jackson in these movies. He is Mace Windu. And if the only way people can describe him is that he's SLJ, then the movie fails to characterise him in any way other than the actor being who he is.

Take the original Star Wars for example. Harrison Ford is not Harrison Ford. Harrison Ford is Han Solo - a cocky smuggler with a heart of gold, who becomes friends with Luke Skywalker over the course of the movie. Take Vito Corleone from The Godfather. The whole way the opening scenes of that film are structured presents him as a person of great power and influence. The horse head scene - again, showing what lengths he will go to to get results. Brilliant characterisation, performance etc by Marlon Brando. In that movie, Marlon Brando does not play Marlon Brando. He plays another, entirely different person. It's called acting.

Nothing about the way the PT is either shot or written portrays Mace Windu as anything other than an emotionless robot that happens to be the biggest bad mother ****er in Hollywood.

EU does not need to justfy this fact, he walks in Geonosis and confronts Dooku face to face, he basically arrived, raised hell, and won, bada***, no EU novel needs to explain that.

Actually, 200 of his friends died. It was a massacre! They only 'won' because Yoda conveniently turned up before the remaining 20 Jedi were slaughtered by several thousand robots. And that started a galactic war. Go figure.

Mace was featured in the Clone Wars comics and had one centered novel really just based on and .... sure, it helped solidify his status as one of the greatest Jedi at the time, but it is not needed to follow the movies, unless you are clueless.

Lack of relatable characterisation makes George Lucas clueless, not me.

I can make the same argument about Leia. Her planet gets destroyed and she does nothing. Friends, family, her home, poof, and nothing. Emotionless robot... at least Mace has a pretty dang reason to be emotionless... he is a Jedi... Leia is a human and shows nothing. So why can Mace get bashed for this... but Leia doesn't?

She shows signs of distress - and then the scene ends before we see anything more. She doesn't show no emotion at all! Watch the scene again! And she still shows other characteristics throughout the films - she's a strong character can think tactically and take control of situations. She acts with far more humanity than nearly any of the characters in the prequels.

 

[Wor-Gar]

Oh, that high snob joke of a list of the top 100 movies? Yeah, I take that with a grain of salt.

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The STAR WARS section really should be broken into TWO sections: OT and PT.

But then the PT section would only be populated by WWEJedi, SKINT and Motux.

Hmmmmmm..... not a bad idea actually.

 

[Johnny6666]

I can make the same argument about Leia. Her planet gets destroyed and she does nothing. Friends, family, her home, poof, and nothing. Emotionless robot... at least Mace has a pretty dang reason to be emotionless... he is a Jedi... Leia is a human and shows nothing. So why can Mace get bashed for this... but Leia doesn't?

Coz she don't get mad. She get even.

As Princess - leader of the Rebel Alliance, no less - she must maintain perfect grace under unbelievable pressure, and be seen to be doing so. Indeed, in front of Tarkin and Vader, an emotional breakdown would be tantamount to surrender and, indeed, a betrayal. She's just viewed the destruction of a planet, with millions of people being murdered, and for her to succumb to mere emotion would be almost an insult to those killed. As she says later, with perfect composure: "We have no time for our sorrows..."

Leia is a leader for a reason: stoic, brave, commanding. Indeed, it's these very traits that make her such a respected figure - and, pointedly, represent the weakest point in her armour that Han Solo targets when attempting to seduce her. Her 'iciness', her inclination to prioritise the needs of the Alliance above her own ("We need? Well what about you need?") and her studied distance from emotion indeed become the very subplot of The Empire Strikes Back: Han's pet name of 'Your Worship', and constant references to her exalted royal status more broadly, are direct plays upon her denial of self (and deeper denial of her attraction to him) due to the requirements of being a leader. Indeed, Empire shifts from the icy white terrain of Hoth (where Leia continues to maintain her reserve, albeit with difficulty), to the suggestively gelatinous bowels of an asteroid slug (where Leia succumbs to Han's advances), to the airily warm colours of Cloud City - where Leia finally 'melts' in the steam of the freezing chamber and confesses her love. Coincidence?

So, Leia's perpetual (albeit justified) reserve is thoroughly examined and pursued in the OT; through Kasdan, especially, Leia is no emotionless robot - she is a brave and stoic leader at a cost to herself emotionally, which Solo recognises and addresses and which the OT films slowly chart as driving the awakening on her part. (Indeed, we go from virginal Leia in white in Star Wars, to the poised elegance of Cloud City Leia in Empire, to the bump 'n grind of slavegirl Leia in Jedi. Again, coincidence?)

Leia's emotional conflict between public and private needs is one of the OT's most engaging elements, and a recurring thematic motif throughout all the OT characters.

Mace Windu, on the other hand, is emotionless due to poor writing and lazy casting.

 

[cmiller99]

Great post Johnny

You're in for a surprise.

I think Wor-Gar was joking.

 

[Prime Clone]

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The STAR WARS section really should be broken into TWO sections: OT and PT.

But then the PT section would only be populated by WWEJedi, SKINT and Motux.

Hmmmmmm..... not a bad idea actually.

Count me inna dat one!

But it's not about which trilogy is better - even as a prequel apologist I happily admit the OT reigns supreme. It's about whether the PT deserves the level of unbridled, often irrational, vitriol it receives. It's gotten totally over the top and tends to feed on itself.

 

[Wor-Gar]

Not sure why this battle for the PT continues on and on...

You guys who support the PT without measure have to realize that many fans really have turned on them. The new movies have distanced themselves publicly from them. Even Disney has moved away from them. HT has stated that they will not be making PT figures. There's a reason for all that. There's a reason the PT musters such hatred and ire. The reasons may not make much sense to you, but that doesn't invalidate them no matter how you personally perceive the films.

Look, everyone has their "PT". Some people believe "Goonies" was a good movie. Does not make it so. I firmly believe as you get older you will more clearly see the flaws of the PT, regardless if you ever come around to the OT or not... but you'll always have a soft spot for them.

 

[SNIKT1950]

The new movies have distanced themselves publicly from them.

No they haven't.

Disney has moved away from them.

No they haven't.

HT has stated that they will not be making PT figures.

No they haven't.

Alotta wishful thinking there, guy.

 

[The Green Goblin]

This thread needs to get nuked.

It's just another stupid OT Vs PT retread.

 

[Wor-Gar]

No they haven't.

No they haven't.

No they haven't.

Alotta wishful thinking there, guy.

What are you talking about? Are you truly insane? You must be, that's the only thing that makes sense with your constant posts of denial.

I really don't know why you come in here any more. You just stir up trouble, you don't talk about the figures at hand, and simply goad people into responding to senseless posts that have a low tolerance for anyone's "different point of view".

What is wrong with you?

 

[ebor]

Goonies was a great movie. OT SW has MANY campy moments, piss poor dialogue- very funy tho, and among my fondest moments of my 7 to 15 movie going years. Yes PT suffers the same fate but many years later for me--comes down to the Lucas-factor; he just wasn't that great. Well, maybe great for a 7 year old, but....

And that is why I collect OT SW, it appeals to my Inner 7 year old. I can't fight that. For members here that love PT, it might be the same.

 

[SNIKT1950]

What are you talking about? Are you truly insane? You must be, that's the only thing that makes sense with your constant posts of denial.

Lol denial? Show me evidence to support your claims of Disney/JJ ignoring the PT. Show me where Howard said HT is skipping the PT.

I really don't know why you come in here any more. You just stir up trouble, you don't talk about the figures at hand, and simply goad people into responding to senseless posts that have a low tolerance for anyone's "different point of view".

What is wrong with you?

What's wrong with me is I'm tired of you acting like your [alleged] old age denotes wisdom. Telling people maybe "when they get older they'll understand the PT is stupid" isn't wise but rather moronic and insulting. I'm old enough to know your old man shtick is tiresome.

 

[Wor-Gar]

Goonies was a great movie.

See.... Told ya.

 

[YankeesFanboy]

The STAR WARS section really should be broken into TWO sections: OT and PT.

But then the PT section would only be populated by WWEJedi, SKINT and Motux.

Hmmmmmm..... not a bad idea actually.

An even better idea would be to situate the PT section on a peaceful planet, one without weapons.