1/6 Hot Toys - MMS 320 - Star Wars Ep.VII - Kylo Ren

[Vorithon]

So how about that Kylo Ren figure. Looks pretty good. What do you guys think

 

[Travis Baumann]

I am not even considering Kylo until I see the movie but I am getting Jango Fett in the next couple of days. Even though I find flaws with the PT, I still love a number of the characters and designs and I think all of the costumes, set pieces, machine and technical design, etc. are really awesome and I do want them on my shelves.

That being said, there is a good chance that I will get this guy once I see the movie, but not before. I just got notice that Spacetrooper is shipping next month.

I am F'd in the coming months. My wife and pocket book are going to stab me in my sleep with how much crap I have committed myself to.

 

[cmiller99]

So how about that Kylo Ren figure. Looks pretty good. What do you guys think

Kylo who?

 

[SNIKT1950]

So how about that Kylo Ren figure. Looks pretty good. What do you guys think

The lack of an Adam Driver head sculpt is disappointing.

 

[Wor-Gar]

And the back and forth continues...

Lol denial? Show me evidence to support your claims of Disney/JJ ignoring the PT. Show me where Howard said HT is skipping the PT.

I don't keep these things on file. HT did say they have no plans for anything PT. Disney and JJ have stated that they are moving away from the PT on several occasions. JJ's "we're going practical" announcements -- of which there are many -- is clearly a jab at the oversaturated CG PT.

Obviously you and I are at a point where no matter what I say is simply inflammatory to you. So there's little use in me trying to explain my side. You'll simply use your standard "denial" phrase as if you actually have all the answers and no one else matters. I've asked you before, please put me on ignore if you don't like my posts.

And I'm sorry if you're tired of my "old man" posts. I'm equally tired of your defensive and angry posts. You should take a little more from the good book than just Star Wars comparisons.

 

[Vorithon]

The lack of an Adam Driver head sculpt is disappointing.

Yah that's the only think that really holding me back aside from all the other figures I have ordered. Its a great time and a bad time to be a Stars Wars collector $$$$

 

[SNIKT1950]

Yah that's the only think that really holding me back aside from all the other figures I have ordered. Its a great time and a bad time to be a Stars Wars collector $$$$

I feel like its a real misstep on HT's part but I pre-ordered the figure anyway.

 

[cmiller99]

Disney and JJ have stated that they are moving away from the PT on several occasions. JJ's "we're going practical" announcements -- of which there are many -- is clearly a jab at the oversaturated CG PT.

 

[SNIKT1950]

They've actually never stated anything remotely suggesting they're ignoring the PT. Nothing but wishful thinking on the part of people who hate the PT.

The irony is that Disney could have said that they were ignoring the PT - yet have no interest in doing so (because it would make no God damn sense).

 

[WWEJedi]

You probably would, because people would think that you were trolling. However, people in this thread have categorically stated that they don't think the OT are perfect movies. Keep in mind that we are the people arguing that the prequels are bad here. Perfect is a big word. I could come up with many OT flaws if I wanted to, but that's a waste of my time. There are flaws. They exist. No one in this thread is denying that, so why are you trying to tell us that we think that way?

I'm not exaggerating. It looks like a computer animated cartoon. Here's a link to a bigger version of the picture, it's got a higher resolution. For some reason I couldn't get it to link at this size.
That looks like something someone built in a computer, not a bunch of real aliens standing in a real forest.


Exactly what I'm saying. People who like these movies are filling in the gaps with assumptions, not what's actually in the movie. Samuel L. Jackson is not Samuel L. Jackson in these movies. He is Mace Windu. And if the only way people can describe him is that he's SLJ, then the movie fails to characterise him in any way other than the actor being who he is.
Take the original Star Wars for example. Harrison Ford is not Harrison Ford. Harrison Ford is Han Solo - a cocky smuggler with a heart of gold, who becomes friends with Luke Skywalker over the course of the movie. Take Vito Corleone from The Godfather. The whole way the opening scenes of that film are structured presents him as a person of great power and influence. The horse head scene - again, showing what lengths he will go to to get results. Brilliant characterisation, performance etc by Marlon Brando. In that movie, Marlon Brando does not play Marlon Brando. He plays another, entirely different person. It's called acting.

Nothing about the way the PT is either shot or written portrays Mace Windu as anything other than an emotionless robot that happens to be the biggest bad mother ****er in Hollywood.


Actually, 200 of his friends died. It was a massacre! They only 'won' because Yoda conveniently turned up before the remaining 20 Jedi were slaughtered by several thousand robots. And that started a galactic war. Go figure.

Lack of relatable characterisation makes George Lucas clueless, not me.

She shows signs of distress - and then the scene ends before we see anything more. She doesn't show no emotion at all! Watch the scene again! And she still shows other characteristics throughout the films - she's a strong character can think tactically and take control of situations. She acts with far more humanity than nearly any of the characters in the prequels.

They only said it was not perfect because I actually brought it up. They **** on the PT but act as if there OT is perfect.... they never acknowledge the flaws but are quick and harsh to point out the flaws of the PT.

That pic does look pretty bad.... I never noticed it that bad in the movie though

Mace is fine. You do not need the EU to understand his character or to enjoy the movies, the EU is there for fun and extra knowledge not needed to enjoy the movie.

Mace won the battle of Geonosis... or did you forget that? I bet you forgot that....

Was not calling you clueless.... I tend to enjoy reading your posts and talking to you in the Harry Potter threads. "You" is just a generalization I guess, sorry if you took it the wrong way.

Leia shows no signs AFTER her planet is destroyed. She comforts someone who lost an 80 year old wizard he barely knew, but she loses everyone and everything she has ever loved and is not changed one bit throughout the movie.... at all.

....

The STAR WARS section really should be broken into TWO sections: OT and PT.

But then the PT section would only be populated by WWEJedi, SKINT and Motux.

Hmmmmmm..... not a bad idea actually.

You're in for a surprise.

Not every PT fan wants to speak up against pricks like Pixelpiper - who bash the PT and people who like it with every post. Some people just ignore that ****.

I'm tired of ignoring it because no poster deserves to belittle people openly on a forum without opposition or reprimand. You don't like the PT? Great. Just don't call me an idiot for liking it.

There are more of us. .

Coz she don't get mad. She get even.

As Princess - leader of the Rebel Alliance, no less - she must maintain perfect grace under unbelievable pressure, and be seen to be doing so. Indeed, in front of Tarkin and Vader, an emotional breakdown would be tantamount to surrender and, indeed, a betrayal. She's just viewed the destruction of a planet, with millions of people being murdered, and for her to succumb to mere emotion would be almost an insult to those killed. As she says later, with perfect composure: "We have no time for our sorrows..."

Leia is a leader for a reason: stoic, brave, commanding. Indeed, it's these very traits that make her such a respected figure - and, pointedly, represent the weakest point in her armour that Han Solo targets when attempting to seduce her. Her 'iciness', her inclination to prioritise the needs of the Alliance above her own ("We need? Well what about you need?") and her studied distance from emotion indeed become the very subplot of The Empire Strikes Back: Han's pet name of 'Your Worship', and constant references to her exalted royal status more broadly, are direct plays upon her denial of self (and deeper denial of her attraction to him) due to the requirements of being a leader. Indeed, Empire shifts from the icy white terrain of Hoth (where Leia continues to maintain her reserve, albeit with difficulty), to the suggestively gelatinous bowels of an asteroid slug (where Leia succumbs to Han's advances), to the airily warm colours of Cloud City - where Leia finally 'melts' in the steam of the freezing chamber and confesses her love. Coincidence?

So, Leia's perpetual (albeit justified) reserve is thoroughly examined and pursued in the OT; through Kasdan, especially, Leia is no emotionless robot - she is a brave and stoic leader at a cost to herself emotionally, which Solo recognises and addresses and which the OT films slowly chart as driving the awakening on her part. (Indeed, we go from virginal Leia in white in Star Wars, to the poised elegance of Cloud City Leia in Empire, to the bump 'n grind of slavegirl Leia in Jedi. Again, coincidence?)

Leia's emotional conflict between public and private needs is one of the OT's most engaging elements, and a recurring thematic motif throughout all the OT characters.

Mace Windu, on the other hand, is emotionless due to poor writing and lazy casting.

Oh dear god... look a knight in shining armor come to defend the OT

I am going to make a thread of all the OT flaws and post it. Have fun explaining them.

Great post Johnny

I think Wor-Gar was joking.

Is he?

Count me inna dat one!

But it's not about which trilogy is better - even as a prequel apologist I happily admit the OT reigns supreme. It's about whether the PT deserves the level of unbridled, often irrational, vitriol it receives. It's gotten totally over the top and tends to feed on itself.

It does NOT deserve this much hate.

Not sure why this battle for the PT continues on and on...

You guys who support the PT without measure have to realize that many fans really have turned on them. The new movies have distanced themselves publicly from them. Even Disney has moved away from them. HT has stated that they will not be making PT figures. There's a reason for all that. There's a reason the PT musters such hatred and ire. The reasons may not make much sense to you, but that doesn't invalidate them no matter how you personally perceive the films.

Look, everyone has their "PT". Some people believe "Goonies" was a good movie. Does not make it so. I firmly believe as you get older you will more clearly see the flaws of the PT, regardless if you ever come around to the OT or not... but you'll always have a soft spot for them.

And... what about me... who like both? The only reason Disney is focusing on the OT is becuase the new trilogy is a sequel to it. It makes perfect sense to foucs only on that. Even then, Hasbro still makes PT figures. Disney is not distancing themselves from it, they even have published novels about the PT and reference it consistently in the comics. As I said, it comes down to wanting to promote the New Trilogy, which is a sequel to the OT.

Hot Toys will make PT figures, I guarantee it.

This thread needs to get nuked.

It's just another stupid OT Vs PT retread.

A very important one at that. Us PT fans are taking our final stand. We are the Spartans, outnumbered but shall fight to the last. You OT fans.... Persians..... shall fall one day.

Goonies was a great movie. OT SW has MANY campy moments, piss poor dialogue- very funy tho, and among my fondest moments of my 7 to 15 movie going years. Yes PT suffers the same fate but many years later for me--comes down to the Lucas-factor; he just wasn't that great. Well, maybe great for a 7 year old, but....

And that is why I collect OT SW, it appeals to my Inner 7 year old. I can't fight that. For members here that love PT, it might be the same.

I like both. Buy figures from both. They both appeal to me.

So how about that Kylo Ren figure. Looks pretty good. What do you guys think

This Kylo Ren figure is the greatest Hot Toy of all time

 

[cmiller99]

The section that I quoted never said that they were ignoring the PT - just moving away from its overuse of CGI.

 

[Wor-Gar]

They've actually never stated anything remotely suggesting they're ignoring the PT.

Here's an example for you to "deny": Star Wars: Disney's Solution to the Problem of the Prequels

Specifically:

The Mouse’s strategy for selling fans on the sequel trilogy is as much about distancing itself from the prequels as it is about reinforcing its ties to the original trilogy. Everyone involved in the new Star Wars projects, from J.J. Abrams to Lucasfilm President Kathleen Kennedy and numerous other cast and crew members, have talked our ear off about the emphasis on practical effects, minimal CGI, authentic props and costumes. It’s not enough that the original three leads are returning. Disney wants to assure us that its blue milk came from the same cows as the original trilogy.

And it’s hard to blame Disney for adopting such a logical approach.


I know it's just one example, but its the best I could do quickly. But it encapsulated the intent of my original post. You're right -- Disney would never officially go on record and say the PT sucks. But their actions are clear. That's why I said "moved away from them".

If the PT was the godsend you say it is, why wouldn't they be cashing in on its popularity and making millions?

 

[WWEJedi]

Here's an example for you to "deny": Star Wars: Disney's Solution to the Problem of the Prequels

Specifically:

The Mouse’s strategy for selling fans on the sequel trilogy is as much about distancing itself from the prequels as it is about reinforcing its ties to the original trilogy. Everyone involved in the new Star Wars projects, from J.J. Abrams to Lucasfilm President Kathleen Kennedy and numerous other cast and crew members, have talked our ear off about the emphasis on practical effects, minimal CGI, authentic props and costumes. It’s not enough that the original three leads are returning. Disney wants to assure us that its blue milk came from the same cows as the original trilogy.

And it’s hard to blame Disney for adopting such a logical approach.

They are distancing themselves from the CGI aspects of the films for future film releases, not distancing themselves from the movie themselves. If they were going away from the PT they would halt all novels and figures from the PT, as they did with EU, but since this is not the case.... PT is alive, just on the back burner at the moment.... and rightfully so.

 

[SNIKT1950]

They are distancing themselves from the CGI aspects of the films for future film releases, not distancing themselves from the movies themselves.

Exactly. The PT haters want Disney to just ignore the PT altogether, something Disney has no intention of doing.

If Disney wanted to - they would have just said "We're ignoring the PT."

 

[Wor-Gar]

They are distancing themselves from the CGI aspects of the films for future film releases, not distancing themselves from the movie themselves. If they were going away from the PT they would halt all novels and figures from the PT, as they did with EU, but since this is not the case.... PT is alive, just on the back burner at the moment.... and rightfully so.

Did you even read the article?

Of course they are still releasing PT stuff. For guys like you and SKINT. But we're talking movies here.

 

[SNIKT1950]

Did you even read the article?

Of course they are still releasing PT stuff. For guys like you and SKINT. But we're talking movies here.

There's a rumor right now that Rian Johnson will feature Hayden in Episode VIII. Are you going to boycott Episode VIII?

 

[WWEJedi]

Did you even read the article?

Of course they are still releasing PT stuff. For guys like you and SKINT. But we're talking movies here.

Not sure if intentional...

What about the movies? Disney will not touch them or remake them. They will continue to support it through novels and figures and such. After the new movies are done.... they will go back and make single movies taking place in this era as well.

 

[WWEJedi]

There's a rumor right now that Rian Johnson will feature Hayden in Episode VIII. Are you going to boycott Episode VIII?

I hope so.

 

[Prime Clone]

No one is ignoring the PT, they're just focusing on the OT right now because it has a more direct connection to TFA.

The PT is getting re-released right alongside the OT, and the Lucasfilm Story Group continues to incorporate elements from the prequels into the books and comics, which are now equivalent to the films as canon.

 

[SNIKT1950]

I hope so.

I feel like his inclusion will just shatter the hopes and dreams of all the PT haters.