Hot Toys - MMS196 - The Avengers: Battle Damaged Mark VII (Movie Promo Edition)

[Darkmatter]

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You are right that they owe us what we choose to buy. And whether or not you agree or care, there are tons of buyers out there more than willing to take your place as a customer of HT and SS. Its your choice to give them or business or not. But I think you may be mistaken if you think they'll miss you. And I only say this because this is not a business that is providing a need or a service. Its a frivolous and unnecessary hobby. And they are not mass produced.

the sad truth about the collectibles business is the companies producing these items have ZERO loyalty towards their customers, some spending tens of thousands of dollars yearly like yours truly. that's a big reason i severely limit my ordering experience with sideshow. they don't even hide the fact that they don't care about you or me.

i think what pisses me off even more is scum sucking dweebs that order two figures a year and don't feel you have a right to voice your opinion in an internet forum. i say, you don't like what i post, then put me on ignore. when i see something i don't like, i'll let people know about it. consider it consumer advocate 101.

 

[Mr.Tanker]

This may sound cold and cynical, but Sideshow is a business and they honestly have no obligation to be fair.

For all we know, they could have put serious consideration into exactly when they put this up for pre-order. There could be countless aspects relating to it that we will never know.

And honestly, no mater when they put it up it would have been inconvenient for someone in some time zone.

 

[reuters]

At the moment, no one knows how many pieces of BD Mark VII are produced. For all we know, it might be 10,000 but still I think it will sell because this is Iron Man we are talking about.

Look at the queue when HT announced that there will be 800 up for PO in HK. AC is having a public PO tomorrow for the remaining 300 units (out of the 600 allocated for Singapore reportedly), so we will see what the actual demand is really like.

The collectors base for this hobby has really increased substantially over the past 2 years. If you like the figure, you will need to pay for the price that HT puts up, if you don't feel like spending on it, there will always be someone who is willing to pick it up without having 2nd thoughts.

 

[Darkmatter]

This may sound cold and cynical, but Sideshow is a business and they honestly have no obligation to be fair.

For all we know, they could have put serious consideration into exactly when they put this up for pre-order. There could be countless aspects relating to it that we will never know.

And honestly, no mater when they put it up it would have been inconvenient for someone in some time zone.

that's because people keep ordering from them without telling them they don't like something. i guess people are willing to put away their self-respect and dignity for a plastic figure. not me. i feel ALL businesses have a moral obligation to display fair business practices.

what do you think would happen to sideshow if it somehow got out that their business is christian run and they don't believe in same sex marriage? would sideshow be able to weather the storm like chick-fil-a? doubtful.

 

[Mr.Tanker]

that's because people keep ordering from them without telling them they don't like something. i guess people are willing to put away their self-respect and dignity for a plastic figure. not me. i feel ALL businesses have a moral obligation to display fair business practices.

what do you think would happen to sideshow if it somehow got out that their business is christian run and they don't believe in same sex marriage? would sideshow be able to weather the storm like chick-fil-a? doubtful.

If people keep ordering then obviously they don't dislike their practices enough to stop them from being a customer.

I'm not sure where all the talk about "self respect" and "dignity" comes from. It's a toy. Buy it if you want it. Don't buy it if you don't.

Comparing Sideshow putting a figure up for pre-order at a time that you personally found inconvenient to discriminatory business practices borders on offensive. In fact, I'm not even sure what argument you are trying to make with that.

 

[mikericm]

that's because people keep ordering from them without telling them they don't like something. i guess people are willing to put away their self-respect and dignity for a plastic figure. not me. i feel ALL businesses have a moral obligation to display fair business practices.

For me, I'm happy with the products I get from HT and SS and I've never had an.issue with SS customer service.

So I have no reason to feel the way you do. My self respect and dignity is all in tact. And I doubt I am the only happy customer.

 

[Haloid1177]

that's because people keep ordering from them without telling them they don't like something. i guess people are willing to put away their self-respect and dignity for a plastic figure. not me. i feel ALL businesses have a moral obligation to display fair business practices.

what do you think would happen to sideshow if it somehow got out that their business is christian run and they don't believe in same sex marriage? would sideshow be able to weather the storm like chick-fil-a? doubtful.

Um, yeah, they would. Because they're the official distributor. So they're the only ones getting HT proud out in the US. They'd be fine. Plus, the media wouldn't give a ****, so barely any people except the die hard fans would know. Not a big deal.

And frankly, you're just being ridiculous. It is SSC's obligation to get product out, not be fair about it. And I'm sure you canceling all your orders really hurt them. Stick it to the man, guy.

 

[PopCultKid]

Most people who missed are not going to see the approach as "fair". But this is the way of collecting limited items, most especially in cases like this where the demand far outweighs the supply. Everything being complained about here is the Iminime Cowboy thread all over again (so sorry to repeat myself for those that were there). Bottom line is no matter what the product is... statues, prop replicas, figs, books, sneakers, clothing, so on & so on, if there are say (in this case) 3000 pieces and 6000 takers... then folks will have to come up empty handed

As far as the allocation, I don’t think that SS is the one to blame (if you’re looking for someone to blame). HT dictates where these are going so it’s their call. They spread their 800, 600 & 500 thru the Asian markets of their choice and sent whatever they did to America; of course that means to SS (I still assume that there are 3000 total like the AV. MK VI and SS got 1100). I know that it’s easy to be mad if you were zoned out but look at the big picture. If you were a company like HT, how would you handle it? (and not by making it a full regular release because of course that would solve the problem, but that’s obviously not what they wanted to do; and I’m sure there are reasons behind that)

HT obviously spread this thru their largest markets. Could they done it differently and still kept it limited? Probably. Maybe make 500 more and drop (i.e.) 150 in Europe, 150 in Australia, 100 in South America and 100 in Canada? Africa? IDK. But we all know that HT isn’t allergic to making money and they LOVE to milk this IM license so I think that you have to assume there are reasons that we aren’t privy to why they didn’t.

As far as SS’ PO method… I can’t be mad at that. You have to keep your eyes peeled when you are chasing limited collectibles of any nature. It’s your job to stay sharp, not Sideshow’s. Smartphones do come in handy for this stuff, bottom line. There is a whole country of millions here all doing their own thing in their own time zones. SS can’t cater to the country’s median ideal time for PO. If you want something like this you have to keep your eye on it and fit it into your day somehow.

I’m glad that someone said that even Amazon’s site crashed over a certain offering. If they’re not safe then no one is. This is probably a big reason that SS decided to take the approach that they did. Even the biggest companies sometimes can’t handle that type of insane Black Friday squeezing 5000 raging elephants thru a tiny door type traffic.

I’m not trying to argue, just offering blunt truth

 

[Legendary Hunter]

Sadly that's true

 

[Username]

twhat do you think would happen to sideshow if it somehow got out that their business is christian run and they don't believe in same sex marriage? would sideshow be able to weather the storm like chick-fil-a? doubtful.

Why is that an issue?
I am sure many people don't condone same sex marriage. But that doesn't make the love of a man towards a man or a woman towards a woman any less *real* than between a man and a woman.
I don't believe in a creator. To me, i feel the idea that life, the universe and everything was created by a single being laughable, but i would never force my ideas on someone with religious faith, and would never put down that faith. I don't know for sure. Who's to say i am right?
I could be wrong, but no-one will convince me of that.
In any case, i don't feel that the views of the people who work at/own Sideshow are all that relevant here.

It was a limited item. we *all* knew it was going to be.
Some people got in line. Some didn't.
It's along the lines of anything which we have wanted and cannot have(For whatever reason).
I want an Avengers MKVI. But i refuse to pay $600 for one, even though that's the going rate. I'm not going to destroy all my HT figures and refuse to deal with SS because i can't pay the market value for one, or didn't get in the queue in time.
You say: "ho hum, i'll try and get the next one if i can" and move along.
Anything else just seems like childishness to be honest.

 

[PopCultKid]

Ot-oh. Now you're talkin' same sex marriages, chickens, eggs, religion and the big bang. We definitely better open up another thread. You can't even post a few pics for a few pages without irking folks if it doesn't pertain directly to the title of the thread

BD IM GOOD. OT BAD

 

[Username]

Ot-oh. Now you're talkin' same sex marriages, chickens, eggs, religion and the big bang. We definitely better open up another thread. You can't even post a few pics for a few pages without irking folks if it doesn't pertain directly to the title of the thread

BD IM GOOD. OT BAD

I'm all for just talking about the figure.
Can we hold everyone to that?

How about we have a discussion of how we are going to display them when we get them(And i am not trying to keep anybody without an order out. Let's even call it a wish list).
Whether you got on the list or whether you'd just *like to be on the list*, how would you display your BD MKVII?

I for one am thinking of texturing a sheet of styrene the size of a detolf shelf to look like a road. I am going to have the figure lying on it's back with the mask off.
I'm definitely *not* getting hulk, but i'll have Thor and Cap standing over him.

 

[WolfPredatorAVPR]

Why is that an issue?
I am sure many people don't condone same sex marriage. But that doesn't make the love of a man towards a man or a woman towards a woman any less *real* than between a man and a woman.
I don't believe in a creator. To me, i feel the idea that life, the universe and everything was created by a single being laughable, but i would never force my ideas on someone with religious faith, and would never put down that faith. I don't know for sure. Who's to say i am right?
I could be wrong, but no-one will convince me of that.
In any case, i don't feel that the views of the people who work at/own Sideshow are all that relevant here.

It was a limited item. we *all* knew it was going to be.
Some people got in line. Some didn't.
It's along the lines of anything which we have wanted and cannot have(For whatever reason).
I want an Avengers MKVI. But i refuse to pay $600 for one, even though that's the going rate. I'm not going to destroy all my HT figures and refuse to deal with SS because i can't pay the market value for one, or didn't get in the queue in time.
You say: "ho hum, i'll try and get the next one if i can" and move along.
Anything else just seems like childishness to be honest.

"Some of us realize that there’s no good reason to believe that the universe is anything other than indifferent to our existence and our perceptions of good and evil." Matt Dillahunty


How in the world did we get on the subject about deities on this thread? I am far to lazy to read back far enough to see but always happy to see people thinking like I do about the universe

 

[PopCultKid]

This may sound cold and cynical, but Sideshow is a business and they honestly have no obligation to be fair.

For all we know, they could have put serious consideration into exactly when they put this up for pre-order. There could be countless aspects relating to it that we will never know.

And honestly, no mater when they put it up it would have been inconvenient for someone in some time zone.

that's because people keep ordering from them without telling them they don't like something. i guess people are willing to put away their self-respect and dignity for a plastic figure. not me. i feel ALL businesses have a moral obligation to display fair business practices.

what do you think would happen to sideshow if it somehow got out that their business is christian run and they don't believe in same sex marriage? would sideshow be able to weather the storm like chick-fil-a? doubtful.

Tanker's got it right. HT didn't grow to their size because they are a pack of monkeys. This company is a well-oiled machine and there is a thought process that goes into how business is conducted. They are no fools and it's safe to assume that there is rhyme and reason that they don't share with us behind their decisions. Do all companies always make the most perfect decisions... not always but there is always reasoning why they chose to do what they do.

But DM is right to a point. It is important to voice your negative opinions to a company. If they keep getting you to bend over and you don't say a word about it, you'll be grabbing your ankles forever. But at the same time you can't necessarily call SS the evil toy dealers. They have a good customer service dept., a decent rewards point system, good shipping methods and are overall efficient in many ways. The customer can't always be right and sometimes they just have to say "sorry, we can't do that". If they gave in to every whim every complaining customer had, they wouldn't even be able to keep their lights on.

It's important to voice our opinions to these companies but there is a balance of what can and can't be done.

 

[joshh]

Sideshow is an amazing company. The fact that they are (if they are) Christian run won't make any difference. There are tons of Jewish run companies such as Marvel and I don't see anyone complaining about it. Starbucks? lol. No gay marriage? who cares other than activists. I want to buy the figures and good customer service, not their beliefs in sexual preference.

 

[DFanatic]

Are you guys really bringing up religion and sexual preference in this thread? GTFO, seriously!

 

[robbiethepainter]

IRON MAN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

can't wait.

 

[ThatIsTooReal]

Ah a good ol religious debate among a forum. Time to bail out of this one.

 

[kenobryan]

IRON MAN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

can't wait.

Thank you!

 

[joshh]

Not only having this figure is awesome due to that base and such an amazing battle damage work, but also because of the "idea" of having something as limited in your collection.

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Mitt Fury.. I mean Nick Fury. Kick out SLJ LOL and put this guy. I mean doesn't he looks pretty close to the original NF?