Hot Toys: Prometheus - MOVIE SPOILERS!

[olbertfrog]

Listening to critics is part of researching for a movie, I'd rather not blindly walk into a film and waste my time and money on something that's **** or I have no interest in. Yeah, if a movie looks good to me from the beginning i'd go for it, regardless of what critics have say; but if i'm not sure about it or would like a detailed evaluation so I know what to expect I turn to critics.
Especially with videogames, which are a lot more expensive than movies and I've been burned a few times buying a videogame and thought i'd enjoy but ended up hating it.

I don't always agree with critics, but its always nice to listen to opinions and it might help me get a better idea of what i'm in for.

I rather trust friends with tastes i know (luckily ive got many of those) or just know who is doing what mainly the director an screenwriter. I trust their backgrounds or not.
Its been working pretty good for years.

Critics have always an agenda these days.
Either its an ego thing, have to attend the next press screening, been bought in some way, or are just dumb fanboys who squeel at anything, seen it all...
Whoever they are, they cannot be trusted.

 

[crows]

I rather trust friends with tastes i know (luckily ive got many of those) or just know who is doing what mainly the director an screenwriter. I trust their backgrounds or not.
Its been working pretty good for years.

Critics have always an agenda these days.
Either its an ego thing, have to attend the next press screening, been bought in some way, or are just dumb fanboys who squeel at anything, seen it all...
Whoever they are, they cannot be trusted.

basically you are saying you listen to "critics" you know personally then.

and Movie critics don't have to be famous people with agendas. This is the Internet, there are hundreds of movie critics on youtube alone. There are blogs too. Regular people like you and me that review movies.

If you listen to your friends you are technically doing the same thing people that read reviews do, hearing someone's opinion on a movie.

some famous youtube reviewers are:

[ame]https://youtu.be/KXzVkgLHU6A[/ame]

[ame]https://youtu.be/kFh6c_CwdBg[/ame]

 

[olbertfrog]

Theres a world of difference to listen to friends who are not pro and have nothing to sell (critics basically sell themselves their pseudo knowledge) than some unknown.

But like i said i mostly do my own homework, Check who is behind the product then im golden. I KNOW what im seeing, then if i like it or not its another story.

Yep anybody CAN post anything on the web, and all have an agenda, thinking their opinion matter so much that it need to be heard.
Ive met some of these "famous" youtuber bloggers at press screening, most of them take themselves way too seriously, they have trafic on their channel and blog ouh haaa they think they are important. Most of them are so happy to be in, meet sometimes actors and such, they are groupies.

Most of the people ive met who have great views of movies are humble and share their views in private, around a drink, and sometimes im lucky enough that these are not nobodies they are directors, writers, festival organizator... These are the people i listen to, they know their stuff... Not some wannabee...

Internet has been the worse thing when it comes to critics, everybody says anything and some take it as gospel. For an exagerated exemple Check the uk scifi series black mirror episode 3 of season 2 THE WALDO MOMENT, you ll see what i mean.

Its based on my personal experience in that area i choose to not trust critics But Great if reading critics works for you

 

[Snakey Jones]

If there's one good thing about the internet its that it allows us to share opinions and ideas like never before, the internet gives people a voice that can be heard all around the world; it's great you have a circle of friends who's opinion you trust, but isn't even better you also have thousands upon thousands of varied opinions to choose from as well?

I think a lot of critics do what they do not because they think their opinion is more important than others; but because they just want to share with those who are interested, which is ostensibly what the internet is all about. Yeah, there are some critics who are egotistical pricks, sell outs or just jerks, but that to me is inevitable; you give everyone a voice and there'll be some who just use it to talk out their ***.

Every opinion is worth something, I think the more of them you listen to the bigger your world gets, so that's what critics are to me; they offer me an interesting insight into a piece work that I may never have thought of, they shed their own light on something and make it completely new to my eyes.

Do I let a critics opinion influence my own? No, if I already feel strongly about something that's what matters in the end, I may value the opinions of others but never more than my own.

 

[Sabres21768]

You guys do realize this is the Hot Toys Prometheus FIGURE thread right?

I know for a fact that there's a thread in the Movie board for you to discuss the film.

Back to figure discussion....

BRING ON THE DEACON!

 

[ReplicantSavior]

fans are critics too...

For me with Prometheus, i was seeing something special, so yah, we all just have our own opinions.

I can't imagine that a sci-fi fan thought Blade Runner sucked when it was released. Same goes for Prometheus even with its flaws. But I don't like the new Star Trek and most people seem to...

Listening to critics is part of researching for a movie, I'd rather not blindly walk into a film and waste my time and money on something that's **** or I have no interest in. Yeah, if a movie looks good to me from the beginning i'd go for it, regardless of what critics have say; but if i'm not sure about it or would like a detailed evaluation so I know what to expect I turn to critics.
Especially with videogames, which are a lot more expensive than movies and I've been burned a few times buying a videogame and thought i'd enjoy but ended up hating it.

I don't always agree with critics, but its always nice to listen to opinions and it might help me get a better idea of what i'm in for.

You can wait for the price of a videogame to go down if you're not sure. Or rent it. All I need to see is a poster. If the director messed up in previous movies then I might read the tag/plotline. Maybe watch a few seconds of the trailer. But trailers spoil everything. Example, I watched a bit of the After Earth trailer and it spoils many things. But M. Night Shyamalan's last 3 movies were so bad that I had to.

But I try to know nothing about a movie/book/videogame going in. That's the best part, especially if it's good. I was lucky seeing so many great movies like this. I didn't see a clip of Prometheus going in. The only thing I saw were the posters and a few covers of magazines that I picked up like Cinefex and The ASC.

For an exagerated exemple Check the uk scifi series black mirror episode 3 of season 2 THE WALDO MOMENT, you ll see what i mean.

Just checked wiki and this show sounds cool. It will go on my list.

Speaking of Prometheus, I finally went through the official promo websites. It was on my list for a while. Cool seeing all the Weyland products and timeline. There is an interesting product on the list which might bring back a character in the sequel.

 

[olbertfrog]

Sorry for derailing the thread.
Snakey Jones, im a "glass half empty" kind of guy ^^

Replicantsavior,
Black mirror is a great show, twilight zone like.
Only 6 épisodes so far but they are awesome.

Still no shaw?

 

[crows]

You guys do realize this is the Hot Toys Prometheus FIGURE thread right?

I know for a fact that there's a thread in the Movie board for you to discuss the film.

Back to figure discussion....

BRING ON THE DEACON!

sure. But is there anything new about this line right now? any news?

 

[Rorywan]

Yup, looks like another dumped line by HT.
Talk about leaving it so late that the mass market doesn't care anymore, yikes. We will get Shaw, as she has already been developed, after that I would imagine, nothing..

 

[VintijDroidGutzz]

I'm very pleased to have seen Dr Shaw in development, but it really would be sad if they didn't at least make the Engineer as well. I guess everyone has their fave (David, Deacon etc) but just one figure HT?

Surely not..

 

[ExMem-LarjaThwei]

I'm more concerned about the other human characters.

If Ridley's making a sequel and more, then there's no doubt we will eventually see a Deacon + Engineer from HT.

 

[VintijDroidGutzz]

Yeah, I only want Shaw anyway, but it's a little average for the fans that want one of the other guys at least.

 

[zuckuss77]

I kind of agree Shaw and a engineer would be a nice collection to the alien world , it would be alot of cash for a bunch of humans.I really hope for a sequel for more options

 

[Rorywan]

I honestly doubt a sequel will actually happen. And yes I've read all the snippets of info that have been made about a sequel, nothing concrete there though, and I genuinely can't see the studio risking any more cash on non sure-fire movie of this size. Too much of a gamble, if Scott and co turned in a much smaller script/movie perhaps. But I can't see that happening. The market just isn't there for Prometheus 2, not the mass market required for a 150-200 million FX movie.

I'm sad about all this too, and it's my opinion, not interested in debating it with anyone. I know the VFX sup pretty well and he said it aint happenin. So I fear Shaw maybe the only figure we see from HT. Unless fingers crossed something weird happens.

 

[EVILFACE]

I'm very pleased to have seen Dr Shaw in development, but it really would be sad if they didn't at least make the Engineer as well. I guess everyone has their fave (David, Deacon etc) but just one figure HT?

Surely not..

A Shaw figure isn't worth having with no Jockey.

 

[VintijDroidGutzz]

Like I said.. I only want Shaw anyway.

 

[CarrotBun]

I genuinely can't see the studio risking any more cash on non sure-fire movie of this size. Too much of a gamble

Alien 4
AVP
AVPR were made

 

[Rorywan]

Alien 4
AVP
AVPR were made

Alien 4 was on the back of alien 3 and would not have been made without the star pulling power of weaver. It still bombed and finished the original alien franchise.

AVP was a standalone gamble, like Prometheus but playing to an ready established fanbase. And compared to Prometheus was a cheaper bet.
It succeeded (critics aside) but only enough to spawn a piece of piss cheap garbage with two hacks at the helm, no budget no script as such....
AVPR. It still failed.

Which is why I commented that the only type of sequel I could see getting made to Prometheus is a very pared back, less risky financial gamble. Scott is not known for doing that obviously.

It's all about the $ at the end of the day.
Audience tracking, cross platform tent poles that bring the movie companies big bucks.
That's what is required for investors to splash out, guaranteed returns. A sequel to Prpmetheus is on very shaky financial ground. The first movie did ok, but only because it was a standalone mystery of a movie, vaguely marketed (brilliantly) as a Ridley Alien reunion.
On that basis for a huge part of its audience it failed.

 

[skooternb]

I honestly doubt a sequel will actually happen. And yes I've read all the snippets of info that have been made about a sequel, nothing concrete there though, and I genuinely can't see the studio risking any more cash on non sure-fire movie of this size. Too much of a gamble, if Scott and co turned in a much smaller script/movie perhaps. But I can't see that happening. The market just isn't there for Prometheus 2, not the mass market required for a 150-200 million FX movie.

I'm sad about all this too, and it's my opinion, not interested in debating it with anyone. I know the VFX sup pretty well and he said it aint happenin. So I fear Shaw maybe the only figure we see from HT. Unless fingers crossed something weird happens.

I'm thinking if they decide to they could do a low budget P2 centered on Shaw and David. Just look at Moon or Solaris.

More interpesctive and focused on David and Shaw's relationship and Shaw's continuing struggle with creation and her being. Obviously there would need to be money spent on set pieces for the Engineer's planet and work on the Engineers themselves.

 

[greygoose]

Still no updates huh...