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still is awesome to me. even more so that he accomplished that feat remotely. everything in the first two IM movies was leading up to remote controlled suits. pepper's biggest anxiety was tony risked his life every time he donned the suit. that was one thing he was striving to eliminate, and that's why the suits seemed crappy. they were all still a work in progress.

Sorry, not buying it.

Besides, what is even the point of Iron Man if there is no one in the suit? So in Avengers 2 we'll have a remote-controlled Iron Man suit fighting alongside Cap, Hulk, and Thor? Blech. No thanks.
 
If you're trying to rationalise a giant dragon alien snaking across the NY skyline like its underwater is even vaguely adhering to the laws of physics, then I'm gobsmacked! :rotfl
My point is that every one of these films they've made has a wtf sense of disbelief when you sit there over analysing them (like what's happened to this film). I just think we should just enjoy them and leave out brains at the door.

That's not the type of physics I'm talking about. Regardless, leaving your brain at the door excuse? Fine. It's not as if IM1 was absolutely realistic. A lot of fantastical stuff there, too. But at least keep the plausibility within the confines of what has already been established in the series. This one is so over-the-top and out of left field at times it feels more like a reboot than an actual sequel.
 
Same way we reconcile NY being invaded by aliens who fly giant dragon looking monsters all masterminded by a big Purple Alien all summoned through a wormhole created using a mysterious glowing cube.

Another words, if you take it into the context of the Marvel movieverse, extremis is no stranger than jolly green giants, demi gods and super soldiers!

Not only that but you've got a Demi-God from another universe and all the weird stuff going there. Not to mention a 90 year old super solider that is running around because he was turned into a Popsicle and that kept him alive. What happened in this movie now fits with the entire Marvel cinematic universe that's been created.

I knew someone would use that excuse. It's not the same. This movie breaks "rules" established by its own predecessors, including the tech synonymous with the film's title. That's the problem.

And the aliens at least adhered to the basic laws of physics.

Iron Man 3 is about as plausible at times as a Tom & Jerry cartoon. A lot of this stuff is just flat-out not believable, even in a universe with invading aliens. That's my point.

I knew that would be your response Carl. :lol
 
That's not the type of physics I'm talking about. Regardless, leaving your brain at the door excuse? Fine. But at least keep the plausibility within the confines of what has already been established in the series. This one is so over-the-top and out of left field at times it feels more like a reboot than an actual sequel.

I think changing director was the most obvious issue interms of continuity. Maybe if Favreu (spelling?) closed out the trilogy we may have gotten a better product for the general masses. I can't believe though that with him still there (albeit seemingly just playing Happy) that the basic direction of the plot would've been much different to what we got?
They must know where they're going with this in the grand scheme of things.

Just a question; The arc in his chest, does he lose it in the comics too? That for me was a bit of a gripe I had. Im curious how things will pick up with Avengers 2.
 
Who knows. We'll see. This just seemed like way too hard of a left turn for my tastes. Oh well.

Like I said, I actually don't hate the movie. It's fun, entertaining, and I'll own it and see it again. And there are some really great moments in it. It's just a bit too over-the-top at times and has some nagging elements that overall disappointed me. It's not a terrible movie by any means. I basically put this at about level of KOTCS.
 
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Apparently, this movie is unrealistic in comparison to other Iron Man movies?

:lol:rotfl:lol:rotfl:lol

I've heard it all now. :slap
 
Just a question; The arc in his chest, does he lose it in the comics too? That for me was a bit of a gripe I had. Im curious how things will pick up with Avengers 2.

As of the last issues I got a few months back he no longer had the reactor in his chest. Check out the bleeding edge armor storyline.
 
1- killian's motive was purely revenge for tony making him wait on the roof. he considered suicide but decided to team up with maya instead.

:rotfl

It's not as if you're wrong, it's how right that is. 'Tony made me wait outside on a roof and never showed! I should just kill myself :(... No ....Ima rule the world:mad:'

Ridiculous writing.
 
They're only weaker because that made the resolution of action scenes easier for the filmmakers. That is the only reason. The movie logic and tech that were established in the first 2 films was either ignored or tossed out the window completely in some cases. Lazy writing is why the suits are peanut brittle in this movie.

And the Extremis stuff is just so utterly nonsensical and non-believable. These were my biggest problems with the movie, not Trevor or the kid or the overload of comedy or even Tony McGuyver. Just way too over-the-top with unrealistic stuff (compared to the first film and even others in the MCU). How can you reconcile something like fire-breathing Kato Kaelin with what we got in the first 2 movies?

Personally, I can believe genetic manipulation resulting in super powers just as much if not more than magic alien rings. In the 3rd outing of an over the top comic book story, I don't find Extremis too over the top or out of place. I would say the suits could be destroyed by the Extremis peeps to show how powerful the Extremis powers were thus making them larger threats, to show the audience a different cool demonstration of that power such as karate chopping an armor in half with a molten hand, and of course to give movie Mandarin his comic book counterpart's ability to destroy Tony's armor with his bare hands. If the Extremis powers couldn't scratch or dent the armor they wouldn't be much of a threat would they? Making the Mandarin a physical threat via Extremis rather than alien power rings was a rather elegant solution. Like the lava guys or not but calling it lazy doesn't make it so. I can't believe I'm saying this, but we take this stuff way too seriously around here, often distancing us from the fun to be had.
 
Maybe the suits are weak because he busted them all out in a short amount of time (without sleep no less), they're prototypes (42 anyway) and they're all unmanned? :huh


It makes sense. He built them out of fear and compulsion an each one just seems to serve one specific purpose. You're not going to have a good finished product when you make 30 something suits in the span of less than a year. Apple can't even do that with their products.
 
Personally, I can believe genetic manipulation resulting in super powers just as much if not more than magic alien rings. In the 3rd outing of an over the top comic book story, I don't find Extremis too over the top or out of place. I would say the suits could be destroyed by the Extremis peeps to show how powerful the Extremis powers were thus making them larger threats, to show the audience a different cool demonstration of that power such as karate chopping an armor in half with a molten hand, and of course to give movie Mandarin his comic book counterpart's ability to destroy Tony's armor with his bare hands. If the Extremis powers couldn't scratch or dent the armor they wouldn't be much of a threat would they? Making the Mandarin a physical threat via Extremis rather than alien power rings was a rather elegant solution. Like the lava guys or not but calling it lazy doesn't make it so. I can't believe I'm saying this, but we take this stuff way too seriously around here, often distancing us from the fun to be had.

I'm not taking it too seriously, really. I just think they went a bit too far at times, and it left me disappointed. But it's a fair movie. And it was entertaining with some cool stuff. I don't hate it.
 
I actually though about that myself. Weaker suits because he's rushing and no sleep. The more I marinate on this movie the more I really enjoyed it.
 
Stark falling and his suit catching up with him after Loki threw him out the window in Avengers was spectacular, a true high point of the established universe, especially in 3D.

Yes IM3 was an extension of that, but reel some of it back a bit.

Is it illegal to say that about a superhero movie. :lol
 
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Sorry, not buying it.

Besides, what is even the point of Iron Man if there is no one in the suit? So in Avengers 2 we'll have a remote-controlled Iron Man suit fighting alongside Cap, Hulk, and Thor? Blech. No thanks.

That would make Iron Man the worst Super Hero ever. EVER!!!! That would make for some boring movies. With no threat of Danger then why would we care??
 
Yeah, because people breathing fire isn't more unrealistic than anything in the first movie.

yes, a man in a cave carving out his sternum, removing the integrity of his thoracic cavity not to mention having a deep welled device that Pepper can go past knuckle deep while still being able to somehow breathe and swallow and talk without the esophagus and airways that should be there is so realistic.(Was there a mini iron lung keeping air and circulation going? just how much internals do you think he replkaced?) In a cave, did Obie mention that? And they were amazed he made a mini arc reactor?

How did he not hemmorhage, pneumothorax, and die of shock in minutes? Oh I forgot he had a car battery, magnet, and missiles parts. I don't think you have to be in the medical field to realize thats a **** ton of suspension of disbelief.

Do you even realize what he had to remove to fit that thing in there? The crap from the third movie is just typical comic book crap, but trying to say the first movie is in the realm of "realistic" ....wooo!

...And lets face it most people that didn't like its lack of "reality" are also mad that the supposed main bad guy didn't beat up Tony Stark with "magical rings". :lol
 
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The more I marinate on this movie the more I really enjoyed it.

I gotta agree with you Josh. Other than IP doing nothing, the suit falling apart via truck impact and the firework armors, though I understand why they went there, there was little I didn't like. I was even okay with the Super Pepper stuff. I was surprised by the twists, the humor and I had a lot more fun with it than IM2 or KotCS which isn't a fair comparison imo.
 
I actually though about that myself. Weaker suits because he's rushing and no sleep. The more I marinate on this movie the more I really enjoyed it.

Same.

If I could make changes, some of the other suits would have been featured alot more and Iron Patriot, well.... :monkey1
 
They're only weaker because that made the resolution of action scenes easier for the filmmakers. That is the only reason. The movie logic and tech that were established in the first 2 films was either ignored or tossed out the window completely in some cases. Lazy writing is why the suits are peanut brittle in this movie.

And the Extremis stuff is just so utterly nonsensical and non-believable. These were my biggest problems with the movie, not Trevor or the kid or the overload of comedy or even Tony McGuyver. Just way too over-the-top with unrealistic stuff (compared to the first film and even others in the MCU). How can you reconcile something like fire-breathing Kato Kaelin with what we got in the first 2 movies?


yes, a man in a cave carving out his sternum, removing the integrity of his thoracic cavity not to mention having a deep welled device that Pepper can go past knuckle deep while still being able to somehow breathe and swallow and talk without the esophagus and airways that should be there is so realistic.(Was there a mini iron lung keeping air and circulation going? just how much internals do you think he replkaced?) In a cave, did Obie mention that? And they were amazed he made a mini arc reactor?

How did he not hemmorhage, pneumothorax, and die of shock in minutes? Oh I forgot he had a car battery, magnet, and missiles parts. I don't think you have to be in the medical field to realize thats a **** ton of suspension of disbelief.

Do you even realize what he had to remove to fit that thing in there? The crap from the third movie is just typical comic book crap, but trying to say the first movie is in the realm of "realistic" just takes some major case of the stupids.

So genetic manipulation and over the top action are too far out there, but a "realistic human" in a state that supports pretty much instant death is realistic to you. :lol




The weak a$$ suits was just lazy writing. Completely ignored what was established in the other films and attempted no other explanation in this one.

Personally I don't care that the film went over the top with the Extremis. It's just that it was done badly.

"Hey lets have him blow fire...Just because.. He will never do it again but it will look cool so lets do it"

It was poorly written and he was an awful bad guy. The film was a mess from middle to end. It really felt like two different films.

The attack on Starks house was exciting and well done. The banter of Stark was witty and fun and then Bam! the film entered the dumb zone. The final action scene was boring. No sense of danger (you would think there would be since Tony spent most of the time without a suit) They completely ruined the Air Force One rescue by making it a remote. Why Make it a remote? So we can be shocked when it gets hit by a truck. That's all. It was done as a gag. It was just weird how bad the film got.

No question in my mind that this film gets despised with time. Everyone loved IM2 when it first came out (not me) but time has shown that films true colors. However it is a far better film then IM3.
 
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