Iron Man 3 Discussion Thread

[Niltusk]

Just saw this and though it was okay. It was a fun ride but, IM2 was a more cohesive movie.

Some things that bother me in IM3:

Spoiler

1) Tony struggles without armor much of the movie, then just calls in a buttload of armor at the end. Did I miss something? Why didn't he just call them in earlier?

2) Tony makes all of this makeshift weaponry to go all ninja at the AIM mansion. Why didn't he hit up the gun store?

3) How does Tony have an Audi in rural Tennessee?

4) Does the Arc reactor not power the armor anymore? Why couldn't it recharge the Mark 42?

5) Rhodey can't use any of the armor called in by Tony at the end...but Pepper gets the Mark 42 in the Malibu Mansion attack.

ummm...

I really wish I could answer those, especially number one. Apparently those suits only work at night.

 

[cofphoto]

I can mostly answer those:

Spoiler

1. He didn't call them in earlier because they were buried under his house. Could they have busted out? I would think so. But saying "why didn't he call in all of his armor earlier" is like saying "why didn't The Avengers just come and bail him out" IMO.

2. Did you see how accurate Tony was with the guns that he did have?

3. When he blasts the Extremis bad guy in the face with the repulsor, they actually show him pulling the keys out of that guy's pocket. It was his car.

4. I don't know for sure, but I would imagine that the arc reactors don't last forever and need to be recharged or replaced at some point. Stark passed out and Jarvis had pre-set a course for TN as Tony had asked. So with him passed out, that's where Jarvis sent him, to the town where the blast had occurred. When Tony woke up, it was because his armor was <5% charged. It needed to be recharged somehow.

5. Since the Mk 42 attaches to Tony, and Pepper, AND Killian at Tony's command, I would say that it could attach to anyone. But I believe that suit didn't show up until after Rhoadey had donned the IP suit and taken The President away to safety.

 

[Skywalker(OG)Kush]

I can mostly answer those:

Spoiler

1. He didn't call them in earlier because they were buried under his house. Could they have busted out? I would think so. But saying "why didn't he call in all of his armor earlier" is like saying "why didn't The Avengers just come and bail him out" IMO.

2. Did you see how accurate Tony was with the guns that he did have?

3. When he blasts the Extremis bad guy in the face with the repulsor, they actually show him pulling the keys out of that guy's pocket. It was his car.

4. I don't know for sure, but I would imagine that the arc reactors don't last forever and need to be recharged or replaced at some point. Stark passed out and Jarvis had pre-set a course for TN as Tony had asked. So with him passed out, that's where Jarvis sent him, to the town where the blast had occurred. When Tony woke up, it was because his armor was <5% charged. It needed to be recharged somehow.

5. Since the Mk 42 attaches to Tony, and Pepper, AND Killian at Tony's command, I would say that it could attach to anyone. But I believe that suit didn't show up until after Rhoadey had donned the IP suit and taken The President away to safety.

1 and 4 cannot be explained logically and its a major issue. Same with the ending which I won't talk about again. Also still dont understand why the supposedly iron suits now seem to be made of tin and fall apart so easily. Maybe tony's lack of sleep is to blame and he used the wrong metal, but u would thin Jarvis would have told him. Who knows????

Maybe tony, in his delusional state, outsourced his suit manufacturing to hot toys, and they used the new Diecast metal???

 

[hairlesswookiee]

Just saw this and though it was okay. It was a fun ride but, IM2 was a more cohesive movie.

Some things that bother me in IM3:

Spoiler

1) Tony struggles without armor much of the movie, then just calls in a buttload of armor at the end. Did I miss something? Why didn't he just call them in earlier?

2) Tony makes all of this makeshift weaponry to go all ninja at the AIM mansion. Why didn't he hit up the gun store?

3) How does Tony have an Audi in rural Tennessee?

4) Does the Arc reactor not power the armor anymore? Why couldn't it recharge the Mark 42?

5) Rhodey can't use any of the armor called in by Tony at the end...but Pepper gets the Mark 42 in the Malibu Mansion attack.

Spoiler

1. The "basement" was buried under the wreckage. It was kind of lame to me that they couldn't just blow their way out of it, but at least Tony addressed it at the end. Also why I asked where's Captain America, Nick Fury, and/or SHIELD? What kind of teammates are they?
2. I'm guessing because standard weapons are below Tony. Not sure, but guns don't seem like his style.
3. He stole it from the bad guys after he shot the dude in the face.
4. I also don't get this one either.
5. Convenient that they did this because it also accommodated Killian on Tony's command so I guess that's the movie logic in it. I was hoping that Tony had a War Machine Mk2 en route for Rhodey at the end.

 

[Buttmunch]

The question "where are the rest of the Avengers?" is going to be Marvel's biggest struggle now. Once you bring them all together you're gong to have to explain why they aren't there for each other in the solo films. I get that Thor is up in the sky with his own issues. But Banner and Cap should have been there. The after credit scene only further proves that. He can show up and sleep on Tony's couch but doesn't have the time to smash some things with him?

And you're telling me SHIELD wasn't anywhere to be found when the President was being attacked? Yeah, I don't buy that - especially after SHIELD's heavy involvement in Iron Man 1 and 2. The lack of Fury in this film was more distracting than the inclusion of Fury in Iron Man 2. Winter Soldier better take place during the same time as Iron Man 3 just so they have a good reason for Cap and SHIELD's absence. Otherwise this is going to be a constant struggle for them.

 

[RIDDICK]

Great spoof movie. Too bad it's not an "Iron Man" movie tho.

 

[Gully Foyle]

This film was smartly written.

Like it or hate it, I think we can all agree IM3 was ballsy.

So is this member Shane Black's agent, Shane Black's mother, or Shane Black himself?

I think most fans of the first two films are agreeing that this third act is a hot mess. This is not atypical of franchise films.

smart writing! . . . . <wipes tears of laughter from eyes>

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[hairlesswookiee]

The question "where are the rest of the Avengers?" is going to be Marvel's biggest struggle now. Once you bring them all together you're gong to have to explain why they aren't there for each other in the solo films. I get that Thor is up in the sky with his own issues. But Banner and Cap should have been there. The after credit scene only further proves that. He can show up and sleep on Tony's couch but doesn't have the time to smash some things with him?

And you're telling me SHIELD wasn't anywhere to be found when the President was being attacked? Yeah, I don't buy that - especially after SHIELD's heavy involvement in Iron Man 1 and 2. The lack of Fury in this film was more distracting than the inclusion of Fury in Iron Man 2. Winter Soldier better take place during the same time as Iron Man 3 just so they have a good reason for Cap and SHIELD's absence. Otherwise this is going to be a constant struggle for them.

YES. Even a simple montage that had SHIELD out hunting Mandarin with Iron Patriot would've been enough for me. I get it that this is Iron Man 3, but once you open up the world of superheroes you can't just shut it and exclude everyone else out of convenience.

 

[Bardoon]

The Avengers went their separate ways after the events of New York City. They aren't quite the trusted team together that they are in the comics...at least not yet. If you all recall during the movies it was mentioned that the Avengers initiative was "cut" and it was only thru Nick Fury that the heroes came together.

The only person it seems that Stark has connected with is Bruce Banner. He's probably too prideful to call Cap and he was incessantly telling Fury in previous movies that he was not interested in joining any "Superhero Boy Band". This is an Iron Man that, so far, likes and prefers to work alone.

I do agree that it was strange that with the whole Mandarin situation didn't attract SHIELD or anyone else, but perhaps the other movies will explain that better.

 

[The Iron Koob]

The only one that should've been around was Cap I think. Or just a small cameo. They tried so hard to build this universe. It almost feels real, they should've tried to show that life went on for the other Avengers as well. I mean just a little

 

[cofphoto]

I think the whole "Where are The Avengers" argument is ridiculous. I mean in that case, what is the point of any Iron Man, Thor, Captain America, Hawkeye, or Black Widow comic book? It's the same thing, if IM is in a tough spot in an IM comic book, does everyone think "well, why doesn't Thor just step in and help him?"

 

[hairlesswookiee]

The only one that should've been around was Cap I think. Or just a small cameo. They tried so hard to build this universe. It almost feels real, they should've tried to show that life went on for the other Avengers as well. I mean just a little

What about Legolas, I mean Hawkeye, and Black Widow? With their unique spy abilities they'd definitely be useful in hunting down terrorists.

 

[cofphoto]

1 and 4 cannot be explained logically and its a major issue.

1. So, it's a major issue that the door to the vault with all of the armors couldn't open until the end of the movie after the cranes had removed a lot of the rubble? So, would it be better if they all busted out immediately, and defeated the bad guys 30 minutes into the movie?

4. So arc reactors are ever sustaining and never run out of power?

 

[Skywalker(OG)Kush]

The absence of shield is a different issue in itself. Its seems they really took the "too much shield" criticism IM2 received to heart, and in typical Hollywood fashion over compensated to the point of making it weakness and a noticeable issue. They should have also referenced what the other avengers were doing and why they couldn't help (a simple statement from stark is enough). They can't just ignore the unified film universe they created. This doesn't bode well as it seems that marvel has gotten to a point where they are not sure what to do next to keep this juggernaut going in the right direction. I am not saying its easy and what they did in phase 1 was fantastic, but the total exclusion of shield and even references to the avengers means they don't have a good map for phase 2 yet...

 

[Buttmunch]

I think the whole "Where are The Avengers" argument is ridiculous. I mean in that case, what is the point of any Iron Man, Thor, Captain America, Hawkeye, or Black Widow comic book? It's the same thing, if IM is in a tough spot in an IM comic book, does everyone think "well, why doesn't Thor just step in and help him?"

They do ask that When something big is at stake, they show up. If Tony falls down a flight of stairs, he's on his own. Mansions being destroyed, Bomb people and kidnapped Presidents are a big problem. Avengers should have been Assembled.

 

[hairlesswookiee]

I think the whole "Where are The Avengers" argument is ridiculous. I mean in that case, what is the point of any Iron Man, Thor, Captain America, Hawkeye, or Black Widow comic book? It's the same thing, if IM is in a tough spot in an IM comic book, does everyone think "well, why doesn't Thor just step in and help him?"

That's fine in the books, but these are the movies and they have been so heavily involved with one another so far that you just can't ignore this as it happens.

I'd imagine that after Tony called out and threatened Mandarin on public TV that Nick Fury would've at least texted him to stop trolling the terrorists.

 

[jye4ever]

President is a lame duck front, Shield and its handlers, governing council are the true leaders.

At best the president is afforded secret service and Iron Patriot.

Was this threat too small, too personal?

If should've been explained why Stark didn't reach out to Hulk, Cap or Shield though, that I agree with.

Also, Stark was just too jovial with Rhodey during end battle considering PP was in trouble.

 

[DiFabio]

I wonder if people are going to cry and complain when Iron Man and Cap don't show up in Thor II or when Thor and Iron Man don't show up in Cap II, etc. etc. I guarantee you Stark won't be.


It's literally damned if you do, damned if you don't. If Cap, Thor or Hulk popped up in this one just to say hi, or help with a few "pew, pews", people would complain about it, say it was forced. Now, it just focuses on Iron Man/Tony Stark and people still aren't having it saying it doesn't make sense. Whatever. How do you guys know the events of Thor II: The Dark World and Captain America: Winter Soldier aren't happening simultaneously with this film? How can Thor or Cap help when they're dealing with their own problems?


Wasn't the mention of New York, Stark's PTSD or the flashbacks of the worm hole enough? It's called "IRON MAN 3" not, "Avengers 2/4 assembled".

 

[DFanatic]

Argh, all these questions will be burning through our brains until Cap2 comes out (or possibly later, until Avengers 2) and I have a feeling they will be handled it very poorly.

It simply does not make sense for SHIELD not to be present at this movie. They could spare a bunch of Agents during the events of IM2 but not now that things are 100 times worse they are no where to be seen?

 

[Gully Foyle]

Stark was just too jovial with Rhodey during end battle considering PP was in trouble.

Whatchoo talkin 'bout Willis?

It's a wacky buddy movie with lots of ack-shun!

One partner's crazy and the other's gettin' too old for this sheet!

This movie was smartly written! No retreads here!