Iron Man 3 Discussion Thread

[FQRizzo]

Lets think plot wise.

Killian created a character named Mandarin, even gave him ten rings to wear.

Which means he had knowledge of the real ten rings group, since their banner with the ten rings symbol was hanging behind Stark in the cave and this capture video was released for the world to see.

Mandarin was never mentioned by name at all or as the leader of the ten rings in IM1 or IM2.

So,

1. Did Killian create Mandarin from scratch and made him the leader of the ten rings just for the hell of it? I don't think so because the real ten rings would've come out and said that this person is not their leader.

2. Did Killian take an already existing Mandarin and just used his image (that's if the real Mandarin has ever even been seen)? I don't think so because the real ten rings would've come out and said that this person is not their leader.

3. Was Killian the real Mandarin then? Maybe, so he had henchmen in Miami and Afghan?

I believe that something is not what it seems to be and that Sir Ben will be the real Mandarin who will be broken out of jail later, that maybe Killian was working for the real Mandarin. Him yelling i'm Mandarin and the plastic surgery line from fake Mandarin would have to be explained though.

**** all this noise, my head hurts.

You're thinking too much. Here...take it easy and watch some explosions.

 

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Here's a nice article with a list of 14 easter eggs in the film.

 

[iron.jedi83]

I've never read Iron Man comics so before someone comes at me with You mad cuz it not comix accorat derp bull ****, thats not at all the case, But I'm not happy about the way Kingsley was used within this series.

We've had Mandarin hinted at since Part 1, Ten Rings, then again the Rings helped Vanko get his Visa to the US in 2. They we're behind the scenes all this time and when Kingsley was finally announced, alot of us we're looking forward to the inevitable fight scene with the ten rings and instead we got Guy breathing fire because of a medical condition. It was pretty meh but honestly the least of the problems.

IMO Shane Black ruined the overall story of Stark by taking out the Arc Reactor, Whedon wasn't joking when he said he has no idea how to fix that, he's going to have to spend time now in A2 explaining why realisticly Tony would have more suits again and that's going to take time away from action or other newer characters. Overall too much comedey in the wrong places and the action scenes were a let down. I need time to think on it all but right now I'm thinking something like

Iron Man - 9/10
The Avengers - 7/10
Thor - 7/10
Iron Man 2 - 7/10
The Incredible Hulk - 6/10
Iron Man 3 - 6/10
Captain America - 5/10

The series isn't ruined beyond repair although it would seem as if Black tryed his hardest with that ending, there was alot of really really lazy writing and poor effort made to explain stuff. Of course these movies are unrealistic but they still take the time to come up with even an unrealstic explanation for that stuff and it at least feels like they are trying. In IM1 he could have just had the suit and been set but they took 20 mins to show him learning to fly it to make it seem more believable even if it isnt. I guess alot of people just don't get that. I ultimately just want RDJ back and Black gone, as long as that happens, theres hope.

that answer is the same with Iron Monger, Rhodey's War Machine/Iron Patriot, Whiplash. they all had there own arc reactor powering it. he just doesnt have one keeping shrapnel heading to his heart, doesnt mean he cant built more suits. Hell he built a bigger Arc Reactor to power the Stark tower in Avengers

 

[jye4ever]

***SPOILERS***

I'll start off by saying that I have seen nearly every super hero movie in theatre (except Elektra and Ghost Rider 2...I haven't seen those yet, and probably never will). In general, I almost always enjoy myself at these movies...I take them for what they are, which is a summer popcorn action flick.

Yet, I hated Iron Man 3. I thought it was total garbage. Maybe I wasn't in the mood, maybe I have subconciously just had enough of Iron Man, maybe I ruined for myself it by watching too many trailers (although I tried not to)...I don't know.

I was pretty pumped to see an epic battle between Iron Man and the Mandarin. By no means am I a Mandarin expert...I wouldn't even put him in my top 25 favorite characters...or even top 25 favorite villains for that matter, but I thought they had come up with an interesting modern take on the character. Kingsley's portrayal really grew on me, and I thought he looked so bad *** in the trailers.

The twist...well, I get why they did it, but it just didn't work for me. Like I said, I went in expecting a massive confrontation between Iron Man and his arch enemy, and we got a bunch of no name exploding army guys. Maybe I missed it, but can someone tell me why Guy Pearce didn't die the first 105 times they blew him up, but for some reason when Pepper did it, it worked? Same goes for the guy on th eplane...why did the unibeam kill him, but he somehow regenerated and walked away from the chinese theatre explosion?

I don't know...I could nit pick all day long. Bottom line, I just didn't enjoy it. If other people did enjoy it, I'm not here to say you are wrong...heck, I liked the first Ghost Rider...but, this movie was garbage for me.

 

[jye4ever]

 

[hairlesswookiee]

Here's a nice article with a list of 14 easter eggs in the film.

I'm very proud of the fact that I picked up the Westworld egg. Just recently buying and watchingthe Blu Ray, it's still fresh in my head.

 

[Deckard]

that answer is the same with Iron Monger, Rhodey's War Machine/Iron Patriot, Whiplash. they all had there own arc reactor powering it. he just doesnt have one keeping shrapnel heading to his heart, doesnt mean he cant built more suits. Hell he built a bigger Arc Reactor to power the Stark tower in Avengers

I get that completely, I'm saying it sucks. I loved that about Tony, it made him unique, he himself powered the suits with his heart. That's such an amazing thing to take away from his character it made me shout no outloud at the screen.

Other than that he's the same as Monger now, Whiplash etc as you said, Hammer even, just a smart guy that can weld and throw money at problems.

And that isn't what I mean with that quote, I mean at the end I got the gist he was saying "I am Iron Man" without suits. As in he just wants to be himself. Now they will have to take time to show why he changes his mind and decidees to don a suit again. An Alien invasion could be a simple answer but it will likely take time for him to actually rebuild and fabricate new suits and come up with a proper power source.

Everything he was working on or had by the end of this movie was still a prototype. EVen the 42 didn't work properly so now they have to explain what changed in that interval that his suits work and work well enough to stop alien lasers again, how he chooses to power them build them etc. If he just showed up with a suit it would be a pretty cheap cop out from the ending of 3.

 

[CREG Customs]

You know - the more I think about it the more the reactor being removed really gets under my skin - They just pissed on the whole subplot of IM2.

"Oh noz! I'm dying from palidium poisoning. What will my genius self ever do? I know! I'll invent a new freaking element to save my life!"

I guess he forgot the option of going to the @#$@#% hospital for 2 hour surgery!

Really!?!?

 

[Deckard]

You know - the more I think about it the more the reactor being removed really gets under my skin - They just pissed on the whole subplot of IM2.

"Oh noz! I'm dying from palidium poisoning. What will my genius self ever do? I know! I'll invent a new freaking element to save my life!"

I guess he forgot the option of going to the @#$@#% hospital for 2 hour surgery!

Really!?!?

And part 1, Tony Stark built it in a cave, Obi couldn't with a team of scientists, the plot of it being removed and Obi dangling his heart in front of him. Tony Stark has a heart gift from Pepper. Arc Reactors as a clean energy source so hes not a gun barron anymore but a beacon of hope and peace. All that awesome stuff just ****ed on with zero explanation. Lazy, unnecassary, and taking way to many liberties with the writing.

 

[CREG Customs]

I get that completely, I'm saying it sucks. I loved that about Tony, it made him unique, he himself powered the suits with his heart. That's such an amazing thing to take away from his character it made me shout no outloud at the screen.

Other than that he's the same as Monger now, Whiplash etc as you said, Hammer even, just a smart guy that can weld and throw money at problems.

And that isn't what I mean with that quote, I mean at the end I got the gist he was saying "I am Iron Man" without suits. As in he just wants to be himself. Now they will have to take time to show why he changes his mind and decidees to don a suit again. An Alien invasion could be a simple answer but it will likely take time for him to actually rebuild and fabricate new suits and come up with a proper power source.

Everything he was working on or had by the end of this movie was still a prototype. EVen the 42 didn't work properly so now they have to explain what changed in that interval that his suits work and work well enough to stop alien lasers again, how he chooses to power them build them etc. If he just showed up with a suit it would be a pretty cheap cop out from the ending of 3.

Good points and while on the subject - Why all the charging problems with the MK42 I thought all the suits power supply were from the Arc reactors - See IM1 and IM2.

But screw that - get a freaking car battery?!?!?

 

[Bmutha]

Mandarin was a complicated, far from generic almagation of 2 very different concepts twisted into a ten ring wearing, chinese origin character mixed with an afghani, pakastani terrorist organization who really was an alcoholic british actor being controlled by a wealthy scientist with a grudge who had created cellular manipulation and regeneration were the mitochondria create enough energy that the host body can actually shoot flames out of its mouth like a dragon, he even had dragon flame tattoos on his chest!

Gold.

 

[Bmutha]

Good points and while on the subject - Why all the charging problems with the MK42 I thought all the suits power supply were from the Arc reactors - See IM1 and IM2.

But screw that - get a freaking car battery?!?!?

I didn't understand this either...I could be wrong here, but I do not recall the suits having to charge at any point in either of the first two movies. Why does this one have to charge?

 

[nash]

Saw it over the weekend and really enjoyed it. Best IM by far.

The complaint about lack of IM in IM3 just seem juvenile to me, like a child wanting his favorite toy on screen constantly, good story telling or sense of tension be damned. They were doing some interesting things with the suits this time and by the end there was an ARMY of suits battling it out, all the more reason why the complaint about lack of IM is puzzling to me. If you want scenes of IM just endlessly blasting things with replulsor beam without any sense of tension or danger I recommend rewatching IM1 and 2 on a loop.

'the definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again expecting different results'

Funny...to any sane and coherent adult, the lack of "IRON MAN" in an IRON MAN movie is just a simple fact.

However, the fact that people consider this the best of the 3 Iron Man movies just because there were 40 something different robots flying around is what seems juvenile. like a little child playing with all of his girly power ranger dolls.

 

[hairlesswookiee]

I didn't understand this either...I could be wrong here, but I do not recall the suits having to charge at any point in either of the first two movies. Why does this one have to charge?

This happened to a lesser extent in the first one. The MK3 couldn't be fully powered because it was designed with the newer Arc Reactor, not the original one he was forced to use after Obi stole it. Granted, he was still able to use the suit before exhausting the power source.

 

[iron.jedi83]

well i think the answer to the suits is all the suits in IM3 were rush jobs. i read on here that they dont believe Stark would have PTSD after the events of New York and not after the events of IM1 or IM2 but in 1 and 2 he didnt have anything or anybody to lose. we saw in Avengers the relationship between him and pepper and in IM3 that was his reason for building all those suits. he didnt take the time to perfect them or test them he just made enough of them to protect pepper. at least that what i thought, i could be wrong

 

[Deckard]

I didn't understand this either...I could be wrong here, but I do not recall the suits having to charge at any point in either of the first two movies. Why does this one have to charge?

In the first movie the the Mk.3 was running out of power during the final battle because his arc reactor was the proto one he replaced from the caves. Than he rebuilds the one Obi stole to power Monger and thats killing him in 2 so he creates the new element and used that one at the end of 2. So that should have had no trouble powering the 42, which was as far as I can tell, a paper thin more portable version of the Mk.5 and 7. Honestly it just seemed so completely and totally useless as anything more than an emergency backup it's staggering that he would choose that armor going into battle. Apparently PTSD also makes you an idiot.

The 42 struck me as something that Iron Man 1 and 2 Tony would just have in his car as an airbag, it comes out and puts itself on in the event of an accident to make sure you don't bump your elbow and hurt your funnybone because it wasn't useful as anything more.

 

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Shane Black and Drew Pearce podcast discussing IM3:

https://www.empireonline.com/news/story.asp?NID=37367

 

[creature4000]

I think he pick the 42 only because it was right there. The rest were in the cellar. The 42 was clearly a prototype (still in the works) suit that didn't have it all together. So I can buy the whole thing needing to be charged.

I didn't like the whole little rockets on every armor peice crap.

 

[jye4ever]

I get that completely, I'm saying it sucks. I loved that about Tony, it made him unique, he himself powered the suits with his heart. That's such an amazing thing to take away from his character it made me shout no outloud at the screen.

Other than that he's the same as Monger now, Whiplash etc as you said, Hammer even, just a smart guy that can weld and throw money at problems.

And that isn't what I mean with that quote, I mean at the end I got the gist he was saying "I am Iron Man" without suits. As in he just wants to be himself. Now they will have to take time to show why he changes his mind and decidees to don a suit again. An Alien invasion could be a simple answer but it will likely take time for him to actually rebuild and fabricate new suits and come up with a proper power source.

Everything he was working on or had by the end of this movie was still a prototype. EVen the 42 didn't work properly so now they have to explain what changed in that interval that his suits work and work well enough to stop alien lasers again, how he chooses to power them build them etc. If he just showed up with a suit it would be a pretty cheap cop out from the ending of 3.

Believe me, i'm still trying to figure out this over complicated movie.

But when he says at the end that he's Iron Man, he means that he can now be Iron Man without worrying about the shrapnel, he can now fully concentrate on helping humanity instead of needing the reactor to keep him alive.

He even tells Banner in Avengers that being Iron Man is a byproduct of the shrapnel, he needs to live with that.

No longer.

So yeah, he's now Iron Man because he wants to be, not because he has to be.

I get it though if you don't buy my crap.

 

[Natrix]

In the first movie the the Mk.3 was running out of power during the final battle because his arc reactor was the proto one he replaced from the caves. Than he rebuilds the one Obi stole to power Monger and thats killing him in 2 so he creates the new element and used that one at the end of 2. So that should have had no trouble powering the 42, which was as far as I can tell, a paper thin more portable version of the Mk.5 and 7. Honestly it just seemed so completely and totally useless as anything more than an emergency backup it's staggering that he would choose that armor going into battle. Apparently PTSD also makes you an idiot.

The 42 struck me as something that Iron Man 1 and 2 Tony would just have in his car as an airbag, it comes out and puts itself on in the event of an accident to make sure you don't bump your elbow and hurt your funnybone because it wasn't useful as anything more.

That is the thing though, he didn't choose it for a main suit to go into battle with. His other main operational Marks were blown up by the first missile attack. The MK42 was mentioned as only being a prototype by JARVIS when the mansion is being blown up. The MK42 was a prototype for the remote operation of the suit and for Tony testing the individual armor parts. He didn't have time to go and get suited up before the explosion so that was the only option he had available since he could control all the armor parts. Since it was supposed to be a lab project prototype, he probably didn't have it wired to charge or run off his arc reactor yet.