Iron Man 3 Discussion Thread

[Mad Old Lu]

You guys are funny. I'm just saying.

And the best part about this movie was Tony Stark not relying on his suit. His break in to the Mandarin's compound was the great. As was the fight scene with the two guards. Probably the best action scene in a while.

Well, not all of us can leave our brains at the door like... you "normal people".

I agree with Celtic, and I think it's quite the reverse. Seeing an all out Iron Melee (which seems to be a big criticism here) is more of a "leave your brains at the door" type of thing than watching a guy rely on his intelligence to craft tools to help him raid an enemy's mansion.

 

[CelticPredator]

I'm still not seeing what was so off the charts. His crazy disease that allows him to breathe fire?

 

[IrishJedi]

I'm perfectly willing for suspension of disbelief, but not to switching it on and off of the reality that they convinced me to believe in the first place.

That's my main beef as well. This movie trolls its own established continuity and logic.

Oh well.

 

[CelticPredator]

I still have a few minutes before I leave, but I'll throw this line in...

"Ever since the guy with the hammer fell out of the sky, subtlety kind of went out the window."

Phase 2 is going to be nuts guys. You better be ready, because it's not going to be the same now.

 

[Viper245]

Wow! A lot of hate for this movie in this thread. I saw it over the weekend and loved it. I think it is at least on par with IM2 if not slightly better. Some thoughts:

1. Mandarin Twist - I though this was a genius movie that no one saw coming. It turned the whole concept of the Mandarin on it's head and I applaud them for taking that risk.

2. Lack of Iron Man - I didn't have a problem with the way this was handled. The final battle was pretty epic imo and had plenty of Iron Man suits in the fight for me. War Machine was focused on in IM 2 so I don't need to see him fighting in this movie. It's already been done. IP was a nice addition to change it up a bit.

Tony removing his arc reactor - I assumed a new procedure was developed between the events of IM2 and IM3 that made it possible to remove the shrapnel safely and Tony decided to take advatage of it since he had a new perspective on life after almost losing Pepper. It didn't really bother me since his arc reactor isn't needed to power the suits anyway.

 

[CREG Customs]

I was also at a loss as to where War Machine was during the invasion sequence in the Avengers. I'd imagine Rhodey would've been flying in to assist his good buddy.

~~I guess Captain America and Nick Fury weren't in IM3 because they were hit with this sequester stuff going on.

Well, my guess would be that since WM is not a fee agent, he is chained by military/Air Force bureaucracy and would have to be given orders to be assigned to the battle and on top of that the attack was in NY and he is based in CA and it all went down pretty quick.

Annnd.... If Shield's back-up was to nuke the city they would not put their only piece of Stark-Suit tech in that situation.

This is also assuming that the suit was repaired from IM2. Not sure if a timespan from IM2 to the Avengers was ever established.

 

[Deckard]

The only thing I question is, will the people calling the twist "genius" still feel that way after 2-3 more viewings on DVD? And the twist was far from my biggest problem again but I don't think it's remotely genius. Really it worked only because of the way Ben played it. It didn't make Guy a million times cooler or more badass. Impressive they kept it underwraps sure, genius? Well that word apparently holds little meaning these days.

 

[CelticPredator]

No twist holds up after 3 viewings. But while watching it...it's pretty amazing. Yes, simply for how you didn't see it coming. It's really nice to be surprised while watching a movie every once in a while. Especially one like this.

 

[Samuraimasta]

I agree with Celtic, and I think it's quite the reverse. Seeing an all out Iron Melee (which seems to be a big criticism here) is more of a "leave your brains at the door" type of thing than watching a guy rely on his intelligence to craft tools to help him raid an enemy's mansion.

if people had their way IM3 would just be Tony in his suit for entire 2 hr being invulnerable and winning every. single. time. Then he'll have a cliche fight with Mandarin in the industrial smoke factory then disable a nuclear bomb on a timer. Yep, that will make for a way better movie

 

[IrishJedi]

I still have a few minutes before I leave, but I'll throw this line in...

Phase 2 is going to be nuts guys. You better be ready, because it's not going to be the same now.

Yeah, I said it earlier too. A talking space raccoon would not have been out of place in IRON MAN 3, with fire-breathers and people flying all over the place like rag dolls and coming away unscathed.

 

[Kibagami]

Bam. Answered.

Wow, that was really informative.

 

[CelticPredator]

Yeah, I said it earlier too. A talking space raccoon would not have been out of place in IRON MAN 3, with fire-breathers and people flying all over the place like rag dolls and coming away unscathed.

I'm trying to remember who rag dolls. I can't seem to figure it out.

And on the wikimarvel page, the main bad guy in that comic series breathed fire apparently. So, comic accurate?

 

[Viper245]

if people had their way IM3 would just be Tony in his suit for entire 2 hr being invulnerable and winning every. single. time. Then he'll have a cliche fight with Mandarin in the industrial smoke factory then disable a nuclear bomb on a timer. Yep, that will make for a way better movie

Why rehash what's essentially already been done? They needed to take things to the next level and the final battle succeeded at doing that imo.

 

[Uncanny Web-Slinger]

Phase 2 is going to be nuts guys. You better be ready, because it's not going to be the same now.

Meh, only looking forward to Guardians from Marvel Studios.

Next year will be great with the Marvel line-up. X-DOFP, ASM2 and GotG yess:

 

[IrishJedi]

if people had their way IM3 would just be Tony in his suit for entire 2 hr being invulnerable and winning every. single. time. Then he'll have a cliche fight with Mandarin in the industrial smoke factory then disable a nuclear bomb on a timer. Yep, that will make for a way better movie

Yeah, that's EXACTLY what everyone is saying. No one is looking for a rational middle-ground between utter cartoony ridiculousness and something at least slightly more "grounded in reality". You know, like the first movie. But, by all means... continue with the strawman argument.

 

[Deckard]

No twist holds up after 3 viewings. But while watching it...it's pretty amazing. Yes, simply for how you didn't see it coming. It's really nice to be surprised while watching a movie every once in a while. Especially one like this.

Shock once, than knowing exactly whats coming on repeat veiwings makes those scenes more tedious than watching action scenes play out 3-4 times imo. Now I'm not saying I want more action just making the point that it's far from "genius" because the twist isn't something like The Matrix or Inception that makes you think on it for days or question everything you know about life, existance etc. It's just ultimately a cheap gimmick which is why I think so many are pissed about it.

Personally my problem was the comedic pacing which was all over the place and general lack of respect for the parameters established previously.

I'll give an example in Nolans Batman movies he needs his cape to fly. It's unrealistic sure but they tryed to explain it somehow. Now if in The Dark Knight Rises Bruce can suddenly fly like Superman without a cape or jumping off something, just jump up off the street and fly in any direction, thats jumping the shark the character created. He's Batman so by some of your logic it shouldn't matter if his skin can reflect bullets or he's made out of jello by Bill Cosby, but I call all of that lazy writing.

It's been established Iron Man can do x because x and other can't for that same reason. So when a new guy comes in and throws that all away and says it's this way now, it's insulting to the people who watched and accpeted those first movies, it's insulting to the people that wrote those movies that way etc.

 

[CelticPredator]

The first movie did have Tony fall from over a thousand feet in a metal suit into a sand dune. People really got pissed about that.

 

[Uncanny Web-Slinger]

Yeah, that's EXACTLY what everyone is saying. No one is looking for a rational middle-ground between utter cartoony ridiculousness and something at least slightly more "grounded in reality". You know, like the first movie. But, by all means... continue with the strawman argument.

Just because Space raccoons, Aliens and norse gods exist doesn't mean they have to affect the events of Iron Mans life.

 

[Deckard]

Just because Space raccoons, Aliens and norse gods exist doesn't mean they have to affect the events of Iron Mans life.

Exactly, what if we on Earth found out tommorow Aliens are real and we have dead ones at Roswell and they can breath in space without assistance. Can every human now breath in space? Can we now suddenly travel faster than light and defy the laws of physics on our Earth?

I had a similar beef a few months back when I saw Van Helsing the first time. Here you have a movie where everyone who sees it is already accepting that Werewolves and Vampires are going to be in it. Make them the ones that can fly, that can break the laws of nature we know restrict us and its totally ok and fun. But as soon as Kate Beckinsale, a regular human can do backflips a thousand feet in the air jumping from one wet rope in the rain to another, you've ruined your credibility and your movie.

 

[CelticPredator]

Shock once, than knowing exactly whats coming on repeat veiwings makes those scenes more tedious than watching action scenes play out 3-4 times imo. Now I'm not saying I want more action just making the point that it's far from "genius" because the twist isn't something like The Matrix or Inception that makes you think on it for days or question everything you know about life, existance etc. It's just ultimately a cheap gimmick which is why I think so many are pissed about it.

Personally my problem was the comedic pacing which was all over the place and general lack of respect for the parameters established previously.

I'll give an example in Nolans Batman movies he needs his cape to fly. It's unrealistic sure but they tryed to explain it somehow. Now if in The Dark Knight Rises Bruce can suddenly fly like Superman without a cape or jumping off something, just jump up off the street and fly in any direction, thats jumping the shark the character created. He's Batman so by some of your logic it shouldn't matter if his skin can reflect bullets or he's made out of jello by Bill Cosby, but I call all of that lazy writing.

It's been established Iron Man can do x because x and other can't for that same reason. So when a new guy comes in and throws that all away and says it's this way now, it's insulting to the people who watched and accpeted those first movies, it's insulting to the people that wrote those movies that way etc.

Well, it's not THAT kind of a twist. It's just a plot twist. It's fun. You'll never experience it again, but you can still appreciate what you felt.

I don't see how it's a gimmick, as it's played into the story and Killian's plan. Kill the President, grab Trevor, bingo. He's famous. He's the biggest. He'd be bigger then Tony Stark every would. I just think people are mad they were jipped out of a Ben Kingsly villain. Which, could've been fine...but unless he got into an Iron Man suit, I have no idea what the final battle with him could've been.

I don't know what Iron Man did that wasn't already established. But before you tell me, you have to take in account where he is at this moment. He's a man who thought he was the greatest, but realizes he's nothing after seeing Thor, Cap, and The Hulk. He's just a man in a can.

So his priorities are going to be different. Hence his constant tinkering, his over production of suits for anything the universe could possibly throw at him, and his new "powers"...which he took from his little watch device in The Avengers.

He became a different character. He grew. It was nice to see.