Media Metal Gear Solid V: The Phantom Pain & Ground Zeroes

[Brandoloneous]

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Im ok with the gaps between MGS1 and 2 (remember Philantrophy destroyed thousands of Metal Gears?...I WANT THAT). And Between 2 and 4 with Raiden/Snake chapters. Yup. I still want to know the original story before it became Revengeasdbhdabshdbasdjasce

Metal Gear Rising was originally supposed to fill the gap between MGS2 and MGS4. It also seemed implied that Snake and Otacon would have at least a few more missions before we see Snake in his decrepit state at the start of MGS4.

A story regarding Snake and Otacon's exploits between MGS1 and MGS2 isn't impossible, it's just what would be worthy of an entry that could be grand, story-wise, in a two year gap?

 

[Kamhaul]

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Oh and if Kojima succeeds in this Open-world morph in the series, there should be more place for other characters. At least it worked pretty good with the Robin/Batman chapters in Arkham City.
But I guess Raiden and Snake were never together in the gap between 2 and 4...

The story for Revengance should have been the story between 2/4 for Raiden. I don't know what they were thinking when they made the story for MGR.....so awful. OR they should have gone with Kojima's idea for Gray Fox.

 

[Brandoloneous]

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The story for Revengance should have been the story between 2/4 for Raiden. I don't know what they were thinking when they made the story for MGR.....so awful. OR they should have gone with Kojima's idea for Gray Fox.

Konami's team working on MGR just couldn't "figure it out." Hence, its handing over to Platinum Games. I don't remember the entire story, but IIRC, it was Platinum Games who wanted to set it after MGS4 for whatever reason. I'm sure someone here knows more about it.

 

[Furyan]

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I'm fairly certain SS will be the focus again after MGSV. There's no other story for BB after it since it's about his fall to becoming a villain (at least I hope it is). MGS1 should not be remade again. Twin Snakes was as good a remake could get. I think SS' first mission would be a cool idea for a game.

Ive been thinking about that and Im not sure Id like a straight up remake of MGS either. I know I wouldnt get the "OMGWTF" surprised moments like I did back then. Id know everything that is going to happen,which might *gulp* bore me. However maybe if they add more to it somehow or rearrange some things,that might work. Personally Id like to see more on the backgrounds of Raven,Sniper Wolf,Decoy Octopus now that we have seen Revolvers and Mantis'(upcoming). Either way I will support whatever comes out. Id really like a couple more Solid Snake games and a Grey Fox spinoff as well.

 

[synysterfox]

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The story for Revengance should have been the story between 2/4 for Raiden. I don't know what they were thinking when they made the story for MGR.....so awful. OR they should have gone with Kojima's idea for Gray Fox.

Well...that was Platinum's idea -to set it up after 4-, I guess they didn't want to screw up anything related to the main canon because of their mechanics to see how it worked out this experiment and having total freedom of calling it canon or a spin-off. All that "creative limitations" are just BS from Platinum's part imho.
I say BS because Crisis Core is such an amazing game with a known ending.
But I guess it was a matter of rushing things up too. Time was short and Konami wanted money too. The original plan for the game with the mechanics we got I feel they don't go well with the type of story it was intended in the first place. Ergo, we got Revengsdabdjasbdhjasdce.
And Monsoon's theme. Which is awesome.

 

[Brandoloneous]

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Well...that was Platinum's idea -to set it up after 4-, I guess they didn't want to screw up anything related to the main canon because of their mechanics to see how it worked out this experiment and having total freedom of calling it canon or a spin-off. All that "creative limitations" are just BS from Platinum's part imho.
I say BS because Crisis Core is such an amazing game with a known ending.
But I guess it was a matter of rushing things up too. Time was short and Konami wanted money too. The original plan for the game with the mechanics we got I feel they don't go well with the type of story it was intended in the first place. Ergo, we got Revengsdabdjasbdhjasdce.
And Monsoon's theme. Which is awesome.

I guarantee you the reason Platinum wanted MGR set after MGS4 was so they would have a legitimate reason to "overpower" Raiden. They obviously wouldn't be able to overpower him if it took place before MGS4.

 

[synysterfox]

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I guarantee you the reason Platinum wanted MGR set after MGS4 was so they would have a legitimate reason to "overpower" Raiden. They obviously wouldn't be able to overpower him if it took place before MGS4.

Yes, I agree. But where I want to get at is that I believe that Kojima's plan to use the original story and mixing it up with the kind of mechanics we got from Platinum, won't work.
I mean, the project was doomed from start if they wanted to "change the direction of the game" with new kind of gameplay and Kojima-kind of story.
They sure wanted to overpower Raiden in order to him, have sense of existing inside Platinum's engine...I mean, no mere mortal can live in Platinum's world without sum slow motion awesome paraphernalia, eh?

 

[Brandoloneous]

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I know some people are tired of the conspiracy theorists, but this is ****ing Kojima and Metal Gear Solid we're talking about here. How could anyone call themselves a fan if they can't consider the slightest possibility of the biggest ruse ever from Kojima? It's a bit ironic to be a fan of Metal Gear and just denounce such a possibility, considering Kojima's past mind ****s and well, the MGS story itself.

-MGS2, had no idea we were going to play Raiden until the game pretty much came out. There was also footage of Snake fighting Fortune at the Big Shell. Speaking of Big Shell, we practically never saw it in any of the trailers for MGS2.

-MGS3, Kojima had beat around the bush when questioned whether we were playing Big Boss or not once we found out it was taking place in the 1960's during the Cold War. Thanks to an E3 pamphlet, it was confirmed via hidden message (albeit not well hidden).

-MGS4, other than the constant implications that Solid Snake would blow his brains out, I don't recall there being too many mind ****s or ruses prior to this game releasing. If anything, all the mind ****s and ruses were in the game's story itself.

-MGS5, Konami announces "FOX Engine" and "Project Ogre" long before Ground Zeroes was revealed. Before the GZ reveal, Kojima was denying that Project Ogre was the next MGS. Cut to The Phantom Pain. Not only was the fact that it was kept from us that it was the next MGS title for several months, Kojima even said he was surprised at how quickly the fans found out that it was via the silhouetted title after he finally did reveal it.

I'm fine if Kiefer is voicing Big Boss, I've loved his stuff since the 80's. This isn't Kojima's first rodeo, people, just saying. Think outside the box for once, especially when it comes to this unique series and what it's done in the past.

 

[krec9]

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I know some people are tired of the conspiracy theorists, but this is ****ing Kojima and Metal Gear Solid we're talking about here. How could anyone call themselves a fan if they can't consider the slightest possibility of the biggest ruse ever from Kojima? It's a bit ironic to be a fan of Metal Gear and just denounce such a possibility, considering Kojima's past mind ****s and well, the MGS story itself.

-MGS2, had no idea we were going to play Raiden until the game pretty much came out. There was also footage of Snake fighting Fortune at the Big Shell. Speaking of Big Shell, we practically never saw it in any of the trailers for MGS2.

-MGS3, Kojima had beat around the bush when questioned whether we were playing Big Boss or not once we found out it was taking place in the 1960's during the Cold War. Thanks to an E3 pamphlet, it was confirmed via hidden message (albeit not well hidden).

-MGS4, other than the constant implications that Solid Snake would blow his brains out, I don't recall there being too many mind ****s or ruses prior to this game releasing. If anything, all the mind ****s and ruses were in the game's story itself.

-MGS5, Konami announces "FOX Engine" and "Project Ogre" long before Ground Zeroes was revealed. Before the GZ reveal, Kojima was denying that Project Ogre was the next MGS. Cut to The Phantom Pain. Not only was the fact that it was kept from us that it was the next MGS title for several months, Kojima even said he was surprised at how quickly the fans found out that it was via the silhouetted title after he finally did reveal it.

I'm fine if Kiefer is voicing Big Boss, I've loved his stuff since the 80's. This isn't Kojima's first rodeo, people, just saying. Think outside the box for once, especially when it comes to this unique series and what its done in the past.

Well said but it won't change nothing you can't change people and there opinions.

 

[Brandoloneous]

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Well said but it won't change nothing you can't change people and there opinions.

I know, and thanks krec. I'm still annoyed that some random arse calls me out saying that I'm annoying when I seem to be one of the few in this damn thread that can think critically and abstractly about this **** in order to bring potential possibilities to the table. Sorry, I don't take things at face value nor do I believe everything I'm told, especially if something seems off to me

 

[Brandoloneous]

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Anyway, in said demo where Kiefer is voicing Ishmael, even Big Boss sounds different. People still speculate that Hayter is voicing GZ and due to the 9 year coma, Kiefer voices Big Boss in Phantom Pain thanks to muscle atrophy changing his voice. Not only that, but Yong's theory of Ishmael being Big Boss's imagination ala Fight Club might hold some truth in that regard.

 

[krec9]

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Anyway, in said demo where Kiefer is voicing Ishmael, even Big Boss sounds different. People still speculate that Hayter is voicing GZ and due to the 9 year coma, Kiefer voices Big Boss in Phantom Pain thanks to muscle atrophy changing his voice. Not only that, but Yong's theory of Ishmael being Big Boss's imagination ala Fight Club might hold some truth in that regard.

You watch youg yea too that's awesome got to love youtube he's pretty knowledgeable I get my news from him most of the time.

 

[Brandoloneous]

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You watch youg yea too that's awesome got to love youtube he's pretty knowledgeable I get my news from him most of the time.

Cool! Even with all his awesome theories it still seems like you're still so doubtful sometimes

As much as he goes over, he misses stuff sometimes that are floating around the net. He usually catches them and puts them into future videos at least.

 

[Brandoloneous]

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https://www.gametrailers.com/videos/fn5hjm/gt-tv-kojima-extended-interview

Unless Kojima is outright lying, which I doubt at this point since I'm sure even he's aware of how far this has gone, it looks like Kiefer all the way for both GZ and TPP. As long as he isn't Solid Snake down the road as well, I don't really care. I'm more upset at how he and Konami coldly dealt with Hayter. Pretty low blow no matter how you look at it. I like how Kojima says "You won't be disappointed." A bit too late for that for some maybe, let's see if his words hold meaning next week.

 

[Jack D]

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https://www.gametrailers.com/videos/fn5hjm/gt-tv-kojima-extended-interview

Unless Kojima is outright lying, which I doubt at this point since I'm sure even he's aware of how far this has gone, it looks like Kiefer all the way for both GZ and TPP. As long as he isn't Solid Snake down the road as well, I don't really care. I'm more upset at how he and Konami coldly dealt with Hayter. Pretty low blow no matter how you look at it. I like how Kojima says "You won't be disappointed." A bit too late for that for some maybe, let's see if his words hold meaning next week.

Pretty cool. I'm excited for this game for sure.

 

[Dead-Man]

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Don't know much about David Hayter being in movies.. Directed maybe but acted?

what Kojima explained that Snake now explains his emotions through facial expressions, and an actor is capable of that & imo no doubt Kiefer Sutherland have more experience than David Hayter in that area. I havnt seen any of Kiefer Sutherlands movies but if he's good as most ppl say, than we have nothing to worry about.

 

[WellCQCaboutthat]

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after watching this thread and scarcely commenting on it i will say that it is fine IMHO that BB gets a new voice actor to have another distinguishing factor to SS. kiefer has a raspy voice that could do this. as long as they do not change the voice of ss i am okay with this. NOT HAPPY BUT OKAY. wellcqc what happens. you may beat me up now..................

 

[Snake Plissken]

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I guarantee you the reason Platinum wanted MGR set after MGS4 was so they would have a legitimate reason to "overpower" Raiden. They obviously wouldn't be able to overpower him if it took place before MGS4.

You're probably right. When I first saw the original MGR trailer I thought "How could this be between MGS2 and MGS4 when Raiden appears weaker in MGS4?"

I know Koji Pro was heading it originally, but I honestly don't think it was ever supposed to be a interquel.

after watching this thread and scarcely commenting on it i will say that it is fine IMHO that BB gets a new voice actor to have another distinguishing factor to SS. kiefer has a raspy voice that could do this. as long as they do not change the voice of ss i am okay with this. NOT HAPPY BUT OKAY. wellcqc what happens. you may beat me up now..................

I'll just suck it up and take it, but it just won't be the same experience without Hayter. It won't even feel like the same character to me...

 

[GasparZizou]

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I'll just suck it up and take it, but it just won't be the same experience without Hayter. It won't even feel like the same character to me...

That's because he's not.

You're the main advocate for the character separation of SS and BB, you should be happy

Now Solid Snake is more iconic than ever, at least the way I see it.

 

[Snake Plissken]

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That's because he's not.

You're the main advocate for the character separation of SS and BB, you should be happy

Now Solid Snake is more iconic than ever, at least the way I see it.

In terms of spotlight, not the person portraying them. It's too little too late to make them separate people. The Kiefer MGS5 Big Boss is not going to be the same Big Boss in MGS3. I know that goes without saying, but I hope you understand what I'm getting at.