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[Snake Plissken]

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I think I'm an "adult", I hope I never have to grow up!

I do have a facebook account, mainly to keep in touch with friends and family but you guys are right, it's often painful to read all the nonsense coming from everywhere, plus everybody posting pseudo left-wing socialist political crap (At least it's a trend in my country) and other kinds of things, it's exhausting.

Most of my friends from high school who I am friends with on there always put that nonsense up.

I'm not really a Republican but I agree with most of their views.

I could go into it but it will make the thread go off the rails

 

[Jameson Rook]

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Gamefaqs and Facebook are the absolute worst. Just a bunch of prepubescent kids there.

Here's something to end the "Solid Snake is just a pawn" debate that's going on at Gamefaqs:

1: In MG1&2, Snake was ON DUTY, just as Naked Snake in Snake Eater was, it's not his place to carve his own path.

2: He went into retirement and just want to live his life in peace. He became a carpenter and race sled dogs.

3: Dragged out of retirement and forced against his will, but his reluctance and resistance became his personal mission to save his best friends' niece. Given what Big Boss said at the end of MGS4 "Maybe you wouldn't have made the mistakes that I did". Maybe, just maybe, Solid would have spared The Boss because Snake was going to disappear anyway.

4. Snake went rogue to save the world from Metal Gear, not clouded by ideologies and such. The opening credits to MGS2 was subtle in which it meant to show he has "broken free."

5. In MGS4, he only agreed to the mission because he knew how much of a threat Liquid is, and has no choice to accept the mission, but again he kept to himself and wasn't clouded by anyone's will or beliefs.

So how is Solid Snake a "pawn" again? Sheesh Gamefaqs.

 

[Snake Plissken]

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Here's something to end the "Solid Snake is just a pawn" debate that's going on at Gamefaqs:

1: In MG1&2, Snake was ON DUTY, just as Naked Snake in Snake Eater was, it's not his place to carve his own path.

2: He went into retirement and just want to live his life in peace. He became a carpenter and race sled dogs.

3: Dragged out of retirement and forced against his will, but his reluctance and resistance became his personal mission to save his best friends' niece. Given what Big Boss said at the end of MGS4 "Maybe you wouldn't have made the mistakes that I did". Maybe, just maybe, Solid would have spared The Boss because Snake was going to disappear anyway.

4. Snake went rogue to save the world from Metal Gear, not clouded by ideologies and such. The opening credits to MGS2 was subtle in which it meant to show he has "broken free."

5. In MGS4, he only agreed to the mission because he knew how much of a threat Liquid is, and has no choice to accept the mission, but again he kept to himself and wasn't clouded by anyone's will or beliefs.

So how is Solid Snake a "pawn" again? Sheesh Gamefaqs.

Nice job Ryan, I really think you made that crystal clear.

Sure his hand was guided, but he never really made any judgments that weren't his own. But is there really such thing as a MGS protagonist who isn't really guided on rails? I mean c'mon, Snake Eater is a shining example.

I think the most "free" person from the system was probably the Boss. She knew of the puppeteers and still followed her orders to the letter.

But back to Snake, in MGS2 he was given a new purpose to his life and it further evolved in MGS4. Dismissing him as just a idiotic pawn is just silly.

You also have to take into account that Snake and Big Boss's careers were in different eras and the Patriots AIs weren't even in existence at the time of Big Boss, and even he was pointed in the direction that the Patriots (Zero) wanted and the only thing they could not control was Big Boss willingly returning to them.

 

[GasparZizou]

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Yeah I mostly disagree with the "pawn" argument very much, I see no reason to pull arguments against SS or BB since I love both, I don't have to choose.

 

[Solidus]

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I think I'm an "adult", I hope I never have to grow up!

I do have a facebook account, mainly to keep in touch with friends and family but you guys are right, it's often painful to read all the nonsense coming from everywhere, plus everybody posting pseudo left-wing socialist political crap (At least it's a trend in my country) and other kinds of things, it's exhausting.

And when it comes to games and collectibles it all sums up to "Oh my gawd this is the sickest epic-estest game evah, can't wait".

So, that much I agree with that.

You're cool, man. And I agree, one of the most annoying things about Facebook is how so many people use it as a political platform for their views - and having "friends" message me about it all the time. I'm just not very political

 

[Snake Plissken]

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Yeah I mostly disagree with the "pawn" argument very much, I see no reason to pull arguments against SS or BB since I love both, I don't have to choose.

For me at least, I grew up with Solid Snake. So of course people like me don't like change, at least a permanent change which it feels like anymore.

I prefer this debate over the "Solid Snake vs. Big Boss" argument

 

[Solidus]

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Most of my friends from high school who I am friends with on there always put that nonsense up.

I'm not really a Republican but I agree with most of their views.

I could go into it but it will make the thread go off the rails

I'm very Conservative in my views, but I also choose keep my opinions to myself. I never get into arguments, because everyone's generally firm on where they stand anyway - and debating just never gets anywhere.

 

[Jameson Rook]

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I love em both, but like many have said, Solid Snake is way overdue for a game set in his prime. Peace Walker kinda made BB a less interesting for person to me, as he became more engulfed with his ideologies and obsession with The Boss. And don't get me started on Big Boss being a Che Guevara fanboy, which is disturbing.

 

[Snake Plissken]

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I love em both, but like many have said, Solid Snake is way overdue for a game set in his prime. Peace Walker kinda made BB a less interesting for person to me, as he became more engulfed with his ideologies and obsession with The Boss. And don't get me started on Big Boss being a Che Guevara fanboy, which is disturbing.

The biggest thing that bugs me about Big Boss and the post era MGS3 world is the Big Boss and Zero obsession with the Boss's will. It was crystal clear at the end of MGS3. Leave the world as it is and the times will heal rifts between the axis powers. Big Boss wanted soldiers to have purpose and not to be made of as puppets and Zero wanted complete control on a global scale. How did they end up with completely opposite conclusions that were both wrong when it was clear as day?

 

[GasparZizou]

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I also grew up with SS, and BB was below him on my love list, but now both are on par thanks to the emotional MGS5 trailer, but I think SS still wins by a nose.

I very much liked the "che" Guevara look, mainly because it worked with the "latin american revolutionary" theme and to some degree, it also worked for marketing ideas a little, that's it, it doesn't work for any other game nor it adds anything to the franchise, at least for me, it was a one game thing only, so it doesn't bother me.

 

[Jameson Rook]

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The biggest thing that bugs me about Big Boss and the post era MGS3 world is the Big Boss and Zero obsession with the Boss's will. It was crystal clear at the end of MGS3. Leave the world as it is and the times will heal rifts between the axis powers. Big Boss wanted soldiers to have purpose and not to be made of as puppets and Zero wanted complete control on a global scale. How did they end up with completely opposite conclusions that were both wrong when it was clear as day?

BB and Zero have issues, lil Snakey boy just wanna race sled dogs and watch Escape From New York re-runs.

 

[Solidus]

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The biggest thing that bugs me about Big Boss and the post era MGS3 world is the Big Boss and Zero obsession with the Boss's will. It was crystal clear at the end of MGS3. Leave the world as it is and the times will heal rifts between the axis powers. Big Boss wanted soldiers to have purpose and not to be made of as puppets and Zero wanted complete control on a global scale. How did they end up with completely opposite conclusions that were both wrong when it was clear as day?

I just found it so strange, how that was the entire premise behind the war between Zero and Big Boss. I never really understood why Kojima went that route. Unless he was trying to make a subversive lecture on religion and how the misinterpretation of someone's view can engulf the world into war (I mention that, because I recall the church scene in MGS 4). It still seems like an extremely weird thing to include in MGS.

 

[GasparZizou]

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BB and Zero have issues, lil Snakey boy just wanna race sled dogs and watch Escape From New York re-runs.

 

[Jameson Rook]

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I also grew up with SS, and BB was below him on my love list, but now both are on par thanks to the emotional MGS5 trailer, but I think SS still wins by a nose.

I very much liked the "che" Guevara look, mainly because it worked with the "latin american revolutionary" theme and to some degree, it also worked for marketing ideas a little, that's it, it doesn't work for any other game nor it adds anything to the franchise, at least for me, it was a one game thing only, so it doesn't bother me.

Nah, It's not the Che Guevara look, is more that BB idolizes him. (mentioning how great he was and how BB "isn't fit to wipe his boots). Where I live (Malaysia, south east Asia) he is viewed as a monster, on par with Bin Laden. My apologies if I have offended any of Che's fans.

 

[GasparZizou]

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Nah, It's not the Che Guevara look, is more that BB idolizes him. (mentioning how great he was and how BB "isn't fit to wipe his boots). Where I live (Malaysia, south east Asia) he is viewed as a monster, on par with Bin Laden. My apologies if I have offended any of Che's fans.

Oh right, I remember that tape, well they love "El Che" over here ;rolleyes:, certainly his "intentions" were "good" but the results of his revolution til today have not been, I don't care much about him and I won't deepen in the topic lol don't want to derail the topic.

Speaking strictly about looks, I find it very cool.

The jungle fatigues work great with the scenarios in the game.

 

[Solidus]

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Nah, It's not the Che Guevara look, is more that BB idolizes him. (mentioning how great he was and how BB "isn't fit to wipe his boots). Where I live (Malaysia, south east Asia) he is viewed as a monster, on par with Bin Laden. My apologies if I have offended any of Che's fans.

I think that Big Boss's liking of Che is more of an indicator of Kojima's own political views. Even many of the Latin American people that I've met in college have a negative opinion on Guevara. I find that most of the people who idolize him, are young college kids who are too ignorant to think of the irony of wearing a mass-produced Che t-shirt (given his views, he would have been staunchly against consumerism).

 

[Snake Plissken]

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I just found it so strange, how that was the entire premise behind the war between Zero and Big Boss. I never really understood why Kojima went that route. Unless he was trying to make a subversive lecture on religion and how the misinterpretation of someone's view can engulf the world into war (I mention that, because I recall the church scene in MGS 4). It still seems like an extremely weird thing to include in MGS.

That Church scene was odd since religion was never touched on in any form throughout the series. It's all about technology and nanomachines

But, Snake Eater confirmed that there was a afterlife in the MGS universe.

 

[Solidus]

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That Church scene was odd since religion was never touched on in any form throughout the series. It's all about technology and nanomachines

But, Snake Eater confirmed that there was a afterlife in the MGS universe.

But man, MGS 4 just completely negated that. What happened to Ocelot inheriting his medium abilities from his father (The Sorrow)? That would have made a neat storyline; Ocelot becoming possessed by Liquid's spirit through the severed arm. But, instead, he just induced schizophrenia, by use of drugs and narcotics to convince part of his brain that he was Liquid. And then the almighty nanomachines stepped in, and were responsible for ensuring that he didn't go "full retard" with the Liquid persona.

 

[Jameson Rook]

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I think that Big Boss's liking of Che is more of an indicator of Kojima's own political views. Even many of the Latin American people that I've met in college have a negative opinion on Guevara. I find that most of the people who idolize him, are young college kids who are too ignorant to think of the irony of wearing a mass-produced Che t-shirt (given his views, he would have been staunchly against consumerism).

That was something brought up when PW came out, Kojima should have known better than to associate a beloved fictional character with someone so controversial. Some people were debating that his lack of knowledge on the subject made him painted Che in a heroic light.

Yes, kids these days know nothing about history and love the imagery because it represents rebellion and it's cool. I've seen countless kids with Che's image where I live. Again, I'm not putting down any of his fans (if there are any) here, I'm just saying it should have been cut out from the game altogether, especially for a pro peace series like MGS.

 

[Snake Plissken]

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But man, MGS 4 just completely negated that. What happened to Ocelot inheriting his medium abilities from his father (The Sorrow)? That would have made a neat storyline; Ocelot becoming possessed by Liquid's spirit through the severed arm. But, instead, he just induced schizophrenia, by use of drugs and narcotics to convince part of his brain that he Liquid. And then the almighty nanomachines stepped in, and were responsible for ensuring that he didn't go "full retard" with the Liquid persona.

You got a point. I believe the afterlife still exists, but they went the route of this Ocelot was the hero all along nonsense.

I was devastated when I first heard that the amazing Cam Clarke wouldn't be returning, I think even more so than the Hayter news to be honest.

No one can say BROTHER!! like Cam Clarke