Media Metal Gear Solid V: The Phantom Pain & Ground Zeroes

[Solidus]

Such a contrast of philosophies. Hibino has a real passion for Video Game music, and it really shows in his work in MGS 2 and 3. It was awesome that you got to meet, him, Ryan! Share what he told you in the interview you had with him!

As for Banana Boy... well, I can't stand Banana Boy.

For all I care that theory might be completely wrong and laughable when the games comes out, but you can't deny from a writer's perspective that's kind of a neat twist. Plus you could commit all sorts of atrocities as Fake Boss, further strengthening the eventual theme of "hate" and "revenge" while keeping the real Big Boss out of the picture until some point in the game, or maybe you'll go after Big Boss himself. Yes, it's totally out there, but have a little fun.

What else do you think about the gameplay?

Yeah, for all we know, this is probably Big Boss. The one thing that I'd hate, is for this game to have a straight-forward plot on "revenge" only. Big Boss loses his allies, then Big Boss gets mad and blows s**t up. How boring. I'd like to feel what I did in MGS 1 and 2 again. Although, that's probably wishing for too much, considering how much the quality of writing in this series has declined over the recent years.

The sandbox gameplay looks very polished for what it is. I still don't like the high-tech iDroid thingy (in the 80s ). It seems to give better weather alerts than my iPhone.

 

[GasparZizou]

]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GvQhXAUqR5o

https://youtu.be/aps9Da0hV50?t=16m43s

I don't know man, I like the guy, he's not a ********* from what I can see, he's just super hyper active he's clearly joking half the time, the altered voice was irritating though.

I don't see why people making creative work should be all humble and serious, sure Hibino looks like a class act, but doesn't mean the other guy's a dbag.

Would I hang out with that other guy? Don't think so

Anyway, I'm listening to the soundtrack again, and the YT rip quality really does no justice to the tracks, I'm loving all the escape files so far, and Heli sounds just as good, for some reason my PC is not showing the bit rate, maybe cause it's a rip, but I do hear a pretty decent range.

 

[GasparZizou]

Yeah, for all we know, this is probably Big Boss. The one thing that I'd hate, is for this game to have a straight-forward plot on "revenge" only. Big Boss loses his allies, then Big Boss gets mad and blows s**t up. How boring.

Weren't we all waiting and hoping for BigBoss to turn into a mayor *******?

 

[Solidus]

I don't know man, I like the guy, he's not a ********* from what I can see, he's just super hyper active he's clearly joking half the time, the altered voice was irritating though.

I don't see why people making creative work should be all humble and serious, sure Hibino looks like a class act, but doesn't mean the other guy's a dbag.

Anyway, I'm listening to the soundtrack again, and the YT rip quality really does no justice to the tracks, I'm loving all the escape files so far, and Heli sounds just as good, for some reason my PC is not showing the bit rate, maybe cause it's a rip, but I do hear a pretty decent range.

Well, his energy should reflect the music that he makes. But, it sound so mundane. And like I said before, this is Metal Gear freakin' Solid, not some new Indie series. If Konami was willing to spend the big bucks to hire Kiefer, as well as pool millions (I'd assume) into developing the Fox engine, then why didn't they hire a composer who was already tried and tested? . We know literally nothing about Forsell, other than he likes making Banana sounds on his bass guitar, and enjoys singing *****ty death metal. It's like they pulled this kid out from a college dorm and hired him.

Weren't we all waiting and hoping for BigBoss to turn into a mayor *******?

Since when were MGS games straight-forward? . There has to be more to this game than just a revenge plot.

 

[Jameson Rook]

Such a contrast of philosophies. Hibino has a real passion for Video Game music, and it really shows in his work in MGS 2 and 3. It was awesome that you got to meet, him, Ryan! Share what he told you in the interview you had with him!

As for Banana Boy... well, I can't stand Banana Boy.

He studied at Berklee College of Music, and moved to Kansas City primarily as a jazz musician. His company, GEM Impact studios is set up in Japan and Malaysia.

On stage he's all kinds of awe inducing with his sax. He performed Snake Eater and a Mario medley and the crowd went insane, and you can see he's visibly perspiring because he's giving the crowd his best. I met him just 2 minutes after the show, with him just wiping off his sweat and he was such a gentleman, putting up with 10 minutes of my creepy fanboyism since I was a VIP guest. I mentioned Ghost Babel and he was delighted, and among the things he told me was that he was done with Metal Gear as he intends to focus on his company.

When he signed my poster and games, he even politely asked the performer next to him what my name was again, just to not upset me. Now that's class.

If VGL is in NYC someday I hope he attends, you need to see for yourself just how mesmerizing the man is on stage.

 

[GasparZizou]

Well, his energy should reflect the music that he makes. But, it sound so mundane. And like I said before, this is Metal Gear freakin' Solid, not some new Indie series. If Konami was willing to spend the big bucks to hire Kiefer, as well as pool millions (I'd assume) into developing the Fox engine, then why didn't they hire a composer who was already tried and tested? . We know literally nothing about Forsell, other than he likes making Banana sounds on his bass guitar, and enjoys making *****ty death metal. It's like they pulled this kid out from a college dorm and hired him.

I disagree, I don't hear anything mundane about the soundtrack so far, I was less than impressed with the YT rips but I got my hands on some better ones and I'm liking what I'm hearing, and energy is definitely not something Forsell lacks in his compositions, he lacks maybe a bit of nuance.

Also, you may already know this but there are theories out there that this guy may not be the actual composer rather a ghost producer and Kojima's pulling another one of this classic pranks.

Regardless of the man without a reputation, from what I've heard with GZ's score, I'm more than willing to keep an open mind.

Also, the guy did mention he's not into metal anymore, that was just a jest.

 

[Jameson Rook]

I don't know man, I like the guy, he's not a ********* from what I can see, he's just super hyper active he's clearly joking half the time, the altered voice was irritating though.

I don't see why people making creative work should be all humble and serious, sure Hibino looks like a class act, but doesn't mean the other guy's a dbag.

Would I hang out with that other guy? Don't think so

Anyway, I'm listening to the soundtrack again, and the YT rip quality really does no justice to the tracks, I'm loving all the escape files so far, and Heli sounds just as good, for some reason my PC is not showing the bit rate, maybe cause it's a rip, but I do hear a pretty decent range.

Nah, I think Fossel's a cool guy. All musicians tend to have some faulty wiring somewhere. I just wished that his work speaks more than himself. I also wished that Kojima would have stuck with the in-house composers of the past. Peace Walker, MGS4 and the Acid games were great.

I disagree, I don't hear anything mundane about the soundtrack so far, I was less than impressed with the YT rips but I got my hands on some better ones and I'm liking what I'm hearing, and energy is definitely not something Forsell lacks in his compositions, he lacks maybe a bit of nuance.

Also, you may already know this but there are theories out there that this guy may not be the actual composer rather a ghost producer and Kojima's pulling another one of this classic pranks.

Regardless of the man without a reputation, from what I've heard with GZ's score, I'm more than willing to keep an open mind.

Also, the guy did mention he's not into metal anymore, that was just a jest.

We're all hoping the soundtrack for TPP will be good, it better damn well be considering how long the game will take to complete, otherwise we're stuck with the cassette tapes.

Musical taste differs and there's nothing wrong with that (hey, I love P.Diddy's Godzilla song), and I'm glad you like it Gaspar, but in all honesty, if we show the soundtrack independently of the game to non MGS fans, they would probably not be all that giddy towards it, unfortunately.

 

[Solidus]

Like I said before, Metal Gear Solid = Great video game music (perhaps the best in the entire video game industry). Konami should have it handled by someone with experience, and who knows what the hell they're doing. Nothing less than the original Konami composers or Harry Gregson-Williams.

 

[GasparZizou]

Nah, I think Fossel's a cool guy. All musicians tend to have some faulty wiring somewhere. I just wished that his work speaks more than himself. I also wished that Kojima would have stuck with the in-house composers of the past. Peace Walker, MGS4 and the Acid games were great.

Todd Haberman would have been ideal for TPP IMO, his tracks on PW where the highlight of that OST and they have just the right mood for this game.

I'm also dubious as to why would Kojima pic someone who's apparently a nobody, but clearly the guy is not lost at all, in fact, some of his tunes do sound kind of derivative from PW, so, might as well see what this is all about.

We're all hoping the soundtrack for TPP will be good, it better damn well be considering how long the game will take to complete, otherwise we're stuck with the cassette tapes.

It will be like me playing Arkham Knight with the older skins

 

[Jameson Rook]

Like I said before, Metal Gear Solid = Great video game music (perhaps the best in the entire video game industry). Konami should have it handled by someone with experience, and who knows what the hell they're doing. Nothing less than the original Konami composers or Harry Gregson-Williams.

I'm just glad Gregson-Williams is still on board.

Hey Solidus, do you know who composed the score for the Uncharted series?

 

[GasparZizou]

Like I said before, Metal Gear Solid = Great video game music (perhaps the best in the entire video game industry). Konami should have it handled by someone with experience, and who knows what the hell they're doing. Nothing less than the original Konami composers or Harry Gregson-Williams.

Can't disagree there.

 

[Solidus]

I'm just glad Gregson-Williams is still on board.

Hey Solidus, do you know who composed the score for the Uncharted series?

Mentioning Harry Gregson-Williams, I could certainly hear his work in the Escape track. But, it sounded like it was being muffled out by the banana bass beat.

As for the Uncharted tracks - see, this is why you should ask me things, because I know my ****. So, gathering my paramount knowledge on the said topic, I did a Google search and came up Greg Edmonson.

 

[Jameson Rook]

Mentioning Harry Gregson-Williams, I could certainly hear his work in the Escape trak. But, it sounded like it was being muffled out by the banana bass beat.

As for the Uncharted track - see, this is why you should ask me things, because I know my ****. So, gathering my paramount knowledge on the said topic, I did a Google search and came up Greg Edmonson.

Who was also the sole composer of Firefly and that show got him the gig for the Uncharted series. Now you know.

 

[Solidus]

Who was also the sole composer of Firefly and that show got him the gig for the Uncharted series. Now you know.

I DID NOT KNOW THAT!!! Omg... I feel ashamed of myself .

 

[Jameson Rook]

I DID NOT KNOW THAT!!! Omg... I feel ashamed of myself .

When I first played Uncharted 1, I thought to myself, "Is that Nathan Fillion vocing him and is that the Firefly soundtrack as well?" One of them turned out to be true. You can hear the same style all over the Uncharted series.

Also, David Hayter once called his buddy Fillion and mistakenly assumed he was the voice and model for Nathan Drake.

 

[GasparZizou]

I must be the only living being in the world who thinks Fillion looks nothing like Drake.

 

[Jameson Rook]

I must be the only living being in the world who thinks Fillion looks nothing like Drake.

Maybe today, but not few years ago. Besides, Drake is a rip-off of Malcolm Reynolds as much as Solid Snake is to Snake Plissken.

 

[J3D1_KN1GHT]

Thing is, it's impossible to call this Outer Heaven without making any sense. Big Boss has to at some point between 1984 and 1995 (re)earned the trust of the U.S, so much so that he was in charge of the responding to the Outer Heaven crisis in 1995 and that no intelligence community could put two and two together and figure out that Big Boss was behind it all.

UNLESS the "Snake" in MGSV was a decoy all along, perhaps unknowingly played by the U.S, XOF and Big Boss himself. The real Big Boss ends up saving the day, but in actuality he was one who instigated the the events of the game.

Some clues as to why I think Snake is a decoy:

1. He doesn't talk much, nor does he take initiatives or voice his opinions. His mannerisms are different as well.
2. Ocelot kept reminding him his "role" of being a legend, and Snake doesn't verbally respond to any of it despite their history.
3. The POW Snake rescues in GZ was quoting the exact same line Big Boss uttered in PW.
4. Excessive lens flares seems to be hinting on something.
5. "Two phantoms were born" "We are not your kind of people. You seem kind of phoney. Everything's a lie."

I'll be dammed if Big Boss isn't a decoy. It's too good a twist, at least from a writer's standpoint anyway.

1/2 I kind of interpreted his quietness down to being out of the game for so long he was little nervous, no confidence as such "prove yourself to be this legendary boss again". A-la tail between his legs.

A have to admit this has me really excited now. I don't however get wtf is going on with that hand knock thing.

I am confused as to what's going on with the cannon of the hand in mgs4. Could this be a decoy/clone as mentioned? Could be the reason why ol' Skully is seen with BB.

"They cloned me while I was sleeps?"

The thing is Koji can think up any whacky story and at the end turn around and say this was all dreamt up by Big Boss whilst he was in a coma. Dallas style.

 

[J3D1_KN1GHT]

My guess, at the end of TPP I think Big Boss will save Zero’s ass, and eventually return to the US, from what we know so far Zero isn’t even guilty over the destruction of MSF, so I think Big Boss returns to the US but will still be funding Outer Heaven in secret, lets not forget that BB is not a bum, he should be rich as hell by the end of this game.

Hmmmmmmmmmm you and Henry could be onto something here.
This will teach me not to read the whole thread before commenting! Ha!

 

[GasparZizou]

Maybe today, but not few years ago. Besides, Drake is a rip-off of Malcolm Reynolds as much as Solid Snake is to Snake Plissken.

Yeah, but I mean, even young Fillion doesn't look like Drake to me, I'm aware it's kind of clone of Reynolds like Plissken to Snake, but I just don't see the resemblance in the face

He's got the flair, personality and voice, and if there's ever a movie, no one's better to play Drake than Fillion, but the faces don't match in my mind, it's a weird thing I know I know, I'm crazy, I'm baffled myself at how hard I try to find the resemblance when it's apparently a dead ringer to everyone else.

Unlike Joel from TLOU and Dylan McDermott who I think got his face digitized onto Joel's face and nobody dare to contradict me on that