Media Metal Gear Solid V: The Phantom Pain & Ground Zeroes

[GasparZizou]

Well, what I mean is, that Peace Walker was the most kid-friendly MGS game, immediately followed by a sequel which was the most R-rated game in the series history. To me, that doesn't flow naturally at all .

As for MGS 4, I had the impression that it was trying too hard to string-together events of MGS 3, with Big Mamma's revelations. But, then KojiPro (Ryan Payton, or whoever else) decided to completely exclude Ocelot's "special powers" and Liquid's spirit, in place of drug-induced schizophrenia .

Tone-wise that's true, but story-wise it continues more than naturally, the story is very cohesive chronologically speaking.

Tone-wise PW is a bigger discrepancy in the series, that's true.

I was thinking the other day though, singing robots aren't really that much different from REX and RAY roaring like if they were animals.... Plus, rays don't roar

Well, MGS4 needed to string MGS3 and MGS4 together, that's true, if it didn't, probably most fans wouldn't have remembered key parts of the story, and it's already the game that's most accused of being convoluted.

 

[Solidus]

Tone-wise that's true, but story-wise it continues more than naturally, the story is very cohesive chronologically speaking.

Tone-wise PW is a a bigger discrepancy in the series, that's true.

I was thinking the other day though, singing Robots aren't really that much different from REX and RAY roaring like they were animals.... Plus, rays don't roar

Well, MGS4 needed to string MGS3 and MGS4 together, that's true, if it didn't, probably most fans wouldn't have remember key parts of the story.

I actually remember reading (and I'm not sure if it was in the MGS Military manual, the art books, or an interview ) that the "roars" were actually due to the movement of mechanical parts. For example, if RAY collapsed, the "screaming" sound that it let-off, was just an indication of mechanical failure - such as the grinding of moving gears. In comparison, the AI mechs in PW were semi-sentient, and actually screamed with a human voice if they got shot by something. Mehhhhh....

 

[GasparZizou]

I actually remember reading (and I'm not sure if it was in the MGS Military manual, the art books, or an interview ) that the "roars" were actually due to the movement of mechanical parts. For example, if RAY collapsed, the "screaming" sound that it let-off, was just an indication of mechanical failure - such as the grinding of moving gears. In comparison, the AI mechs in PW were semi-sentient, and actually screamed with a human voice if they got shot by something. Mehhhhh....

Oh wow I didn't know that.

I actually love both explanations for the mechanical parts and the AI.

I've always had a soft spot for self-aware AI, it's a freaky concept.

 

[Solidus]

Oh wow I didn't know that.

I actually love both explanations for the mechanical parts and the AI.

I've always had a soft spot for self-aware AI, it's a freaky concept.

Please don't quote me on it, because I really can't remember where I got it from . I try my best to confer primarily with official books and interviews, but I might be wrong on this...

I think The Patriots were like Kojima's own take on "Skynet". I still wish if they were something more, than just satellites in space, though.

 

[Jameson Rook]

What a coinky dink! I was watching Beast Machines this morning and this character Noble Savage- a half dragon, half wolf hybrid has the exact same roar as Metal Gear Rex. I know foley artists have sounds libraries at their disposal but I knew I've heard Rex's roar in other media.

 

[Solidus]

Eeww, why are you watching Beast Machines?

 

[Jameson Rook]

Btw, remember that SuperBunnyHop guy? He did played MGS3 on E.Extreme and it was a lot of fun to watch. He's currently going trough a Revengeance runtrough of MGR. He never fails to make interesting commentaries on the state of MGS, even when doing a Lets Play and here's one of them.

 

[Jameson Rook]

Eeww, why are you watching Beast Machines?

Cuz I got nuthin' better to do. At least I didn't paid for it. Have you seen it?

 

[Solidus]

Btw, remember that SuperBunnyHop guy? He did played MGS3 on E.Extreme and it was a lot of fun to watch. He's currently going trough a Revengeance runtrough of MGR. He never fails to make interesting commentaries on the state of MGS, even when doing a Lets Play and here's one of them.

I think I remember his commentary for Ground Zeroes. Wasn't he one of the critical reviewer who called out Kojima on some things, that others didnt?

Cuz I got nuthin' better to do. At least I didn't paid for it. Have you seen it?

Unfortunately, I've seen all the episodes a few times over . If you want, I can just save you the pain and spoil the ending for you .

 

[Jameson Rook]

I think I remember his commentary for Ground Zeroes. Wasn't he one of the critical reviewer who called out Kojima on some things, that others didnt?.

Yeah, that's him. Check out his channel, lots of in depth stuff and some of the most well written analysis when it comes to Metal Gear. He loves MGS as much as any guy, but he's not shy on calling out the BS aspects of it.

 

[GasparZizou]

Ohh I remember that video, I remember disagreeing with him on about 99% of his arguments

But, his opinions were intelligent and well worded, I'd much rather listen the likes of him than the superficial casual ********* idiot that is Fraiser.

 

[Jameson Rook]

Ohh I remember that video, I remember disagreeing with him on about 99% of his arguments

But, his opinions were intelligent and well worded, I'd much rather listen the likes of him than the superficial casual ********* idiot that is Fraiser.

Who, Gaspar?

Yeah, I was just talking about it. What a boring world we'll live in if we all agreed to the same thing. So long as you can provide a solid argument on why you believe the things you believe, that's all that matters.

 

[GasparZizou]

Who what?

Yup, I actually enjoyed the video, it was very well researched and informative, also, just saw the MGR one and it's quite entertaining.

Yeah, I've had a few good disagreeing debates recently, without trolling or condescension, which is rare in these boards

That's why I like counter arguments, they test how solid the crap I like is even if we end up in disagreement


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[Solidus]

I don't even know if this is worth a post, but here's a list (again) of the current rumors going around about MGS V .

The most interesting one I saw, was that Skull Face might actually be Zero in disguise. There's a little bit of credence given to this theory, from Kojima's comment at last year's E3, about Skull Face's identity:

"I can’t say who it is. But it’s probably exactly who you think it is.”

https://whatculture.com/gaming/10-insane-metal-gear-solid-v-rumours-just-might-true.php/1

 

[FSLAR]

If that's the case, that could redeem the story overall. And frankly, give me enough of a reason to buy and play the game day 1.

 

[Solidus]

It's intriguing, no doubt. I always found it strange that Paz would willingly sacrifice herself for Big Boss. I think it's more likely, that she'd martyr herself, by giving into rape and torture if she knew that it was orchestrated by Zero. In addition, she was aware that Chico had a crush on her, and it's also likely that Zero planned to use her as live bait to draw out Chico, in order to draw out Big Boss from Mother Base.

I think it's pretty clear, that we should be prepared for some serious plot twists .

 

[Jameson Rook]

Depends. Paz should have asked Skull Face about 007, his achilles heel.

 

[Solidus]

Depends. Paz should have asked Skull Face about 007, his achilles heel.

Yeah, it would be pretty neat if a few of those quirky references from MGS 3 make their way into TPP . But, I'm very disappointed that traditional codec conversations won't return.

 

[Jameson Rook]

Yeah, it would be pretty neat if a few of those quirky references from MGS 3 make their way into TPP . But, I'm very disappointed that traditional codec conversations won't return.

Do you really think with the attention span of gamers nowadays, that will work?

 

[Solidus]

Do you really think with the attention span of gamers nowadays, that will work?

Good point . Kids can't even be bothered to read these days, or let alone, type legible sentences on YouTube anymore.