Media Metal Gear Solid V: The Phantom Pain & Ground Zeroes

[ronri]

I hope it's not true, partly because MGS and partly because I want that new Silent Hills.

Couldn't he technically just do contractual work for Silent Hills? It's literally how the series has been able to survive after all these years...

I doubt that leaving Konami means that he'll literally have zero connections with them, he's basically one of the biggest (if not the biggest?) money-maker they have.

 

[GasparZizou]

Couldn't he technically just do contractual work for Silent Hills? It's literally how the series has been able to survive after all these years...

I doubt that leaving Konami means that he'll have zero connections with them, he's literally one of biggest (if not the biggest?) money-maker they have.

Yes that's true, thank you for putting my heart at peace.

 

[GasparZizou]

They weren't really using Shinkawa's artwork anymore at this point, so it's likely his input would have gone down even if Kojima stayed.

How do you figure that? To my knowledge all the concept art in TPP was still made by Yoji.

 

[Kibagami]

They weren't really using Shinkawa's artwork anymore at this point, so it's likely his input would have gone down even if Kojima stayed.

He still does, he designed the quiet for the phantom pain.

I think nowadays, he does a a lot of concepts and promotional works. Then other artists do the rest.

 

[ZombieRepublican]

It's really like if JK Rowling was kicked off the Harry Potter series. I see MGS6 going the way of RE5, same mechanics but much worse game and story.

At least there's a chance of the MGS1 MG1&2 remakes. But also they could be awful

 

[ronri]

It's really like if JK Rowling was kicked off the Harry Potter series. I see MGS6 going the way of RE5, same mechanics but much worse game and story.

At least there's a chance of the MGS1 MG1&2 remakes. But also they could be awful

It's essentially 50/50 at this point. I somehow doubt that Konami would push for a MGS6, maybe remakes and spinoffs but not full-on numerical title (unless they're stupid and greedy as hell).

In the meantime, let's just celebrate the fact that Kojima might finally be able to rest from this franchise.

 

[krec9]

Looks like MGS will fall in the realm of the resident evil game ****ttttt

 

[GasparZizou]

I don't like the idea of not having Kojima around, you can say whatever you want about him, but he always put quality games, even the ones you consider ****** for MGS standards are still excellent compared to the rest of the industry.

I saw Pliss compared him to Lucas, that's just simply not true.

Having said that, at the same time I find myself curious to how an MGS game without Kojima would be, if it turned out good that is.

If Kojima was out of the picture and MGS games would continue to pop up, I would much rather these were complete spin-offs and side stories instead of having anything to do with the characters of the main story.

 

[Snake Plissken]

Kojima won't be completely removed from MGS, it just won't happen. He'll be just a contractor for Konami, but I doubt he'll have as much power over the projects he does for them. I would think the more limited he's used, the better. Let Koji Pro develop the gaming engines, but hand the director's chair and writing over to someone else.

And yes he's like Lucas, but no where near as bad. I just think the last half a decade of his work is pretty sub par to what he's done with the first three games. He stopped making MGS years ago, and has done nothing but dismantle it into a series trying to be MGS.

Bare in mind, I don't include TPP in this statement since we don't know what were dealing with yet.

 

[Solidus]

I'd really like to know what's so different about Lucas and Kojima at this point in time . They've both created and finished their series, and went a head to make prequels to reintroduce their franchises to younger generations (which is exactly what Peace Walker and MGS V have aimed to do). Furthermore, Luke Skywalker is akin to Solid Snake, in the sense that they were both main characters, until they were replaced by their respective father figures in the prequels.

Their similarities are striking - granted, that Kojima has done everything in a much shorter time span than Lucas. Star Wars has also continued without Lucas, and that's exactly where the legacy of MGS will be headed without Kojima .

But, for now, I'd just like to know what will end with MGS and what will begin with the series when Kojima's not around anymore. Konami could continue with a future storyline like Rising, that doesn't involve either Snake or Big Boss. I don't think Kojima would like either of them being handled by another director. So, when (or should I say if?) he leaves, it seems likely that both Solid Snake and Big Boss will probably be retired with him.

 

[GasparZizou]

And yes he's like Lucas, but no where near as bad.

Well, that's how I relate Lucas to his franchise Kojima has done nothing close to what Lucas did to SW.

I just think the last half a decade of his work is pretty sub par to what he's done with the first three games. He stopped making MGS years ago, and has done nothing but dismantle it into a series trying to be MGS.

If you ask me, every MGS game after 1 is subpar, and I'm ok with that.

I disagree on stopping making MGS though, MGS never lost it's identity, all games still have all or most of the staples of the franchise, while reaching new places.

I'd really like to know what's so different about Lucas and Kojima at this point in time . They've both created and finished their series, and went a head to make prequels to reintroduce their franchises to younger generations (which is exactly what Peace Walker and MGS V have aimed to do). Furthermore, Luke Skywalker is akin to Solid Snake, in the sense that they were both main characters, until they were replaced by their respective father figures in the prequels.

Their similarities are striking - granted, that Kojima has done everything in a much shorter time span than Lucas. Star Wars has also continued without Lucas, and that's exactly where the legacy of MGS will be headed without Kojima .

There's one major difference you're forgetting, and the most obvious one, Lucas is universally hated by the fanbase and then some, for having made what are almost unanimously considered bad movies and ****** retcons, while Kojima is the complete opposite, he is still considered and the edge of the industry and almost universally praised for his prequels.

That's what's so different between them and that's why I find any comparisons to be untrue.

But, for now, I'd just like to know what will end with MGS and what will begin with the series when Kojima's not around anymore. Konami could continue with a future storyline like Rising, that doesn't involve either Snake or Big Boss. I don't think Kojima would like either of them being handled by another director. So, when (or should I say if?) he leaves, it seems likely that both Solid Snake and Big Boss will probably be retired with him.

I hope that is true, but then again, I do want my MG remakes, darn it, decisions.

 

[krec9]

I'd really like to know what's so different about Lucas and Kojima at this point in time . They've both created and finished their series, and went a head to make prequels to reintroduce their franchises to younger generations (which is exactly what Peace Walker and MGS V have aimed to do). Furthermore, Luke Skywalker is akin to Solid Snake, in the sense that they were both main characters, until they were replaced by their respective father figures in the prequels.

Their similarities are striking - granted, that Kojima has done everything in a much shorter time span than Lucas. Star Wars has also continued without Lucas, and that's exactly where the legacy of MGS will be headed without Kojima .

But, for now, I'd just like to know what will end with MGS and what will begin with the series when Kojima's not around anymore. Konami could continue with a future storyline like Rising, that doesn't involve either Snake or Big Boss. I don't think Kojima would like either of them being handled by another director. So, when (or should I say if?) he leaves, it seems likely that both Solid Snake and Big Boss will probably be retired with him.

Well said imo Lucas is worse.

 

[Solidus]

I think the industry has always looked at Kojima as in innovator, but at the same time, he isn't universally praised. As he has continued this series, he has also received his share of criticism over the years (from both fans and critics) for storyline convolutions. Also, least we forget the entire debacle with GZ - which was nothing more than a cash grab from Konami, with Kojima being at the helm of its promotion on Twitter and Kojima Station. There's also firing of David Hayter which sent fan sentiments enormously against him.

There's really no telling how MGS V will be received or how it will be remembered by fans - especially with Kiefer doing the voice work for Big Boss. I can hope that it's a revolutionary MGS game that we've all been waiting for. But, then again, we just don't know anything.

 

[GasparZizou]

I would say the criticisms he's received have been minimum and they're mostly for the convolution of MGS4, but the game was praised on everything else, and that's pretty much the most criticism he's ever received, which is nothing in his MGS career, then I didn't hear any actual criticism for GZ or it's story, maybe some concerns with the darkness of the tone that were appeased when TPP was shown to have more humor, what I saw was criticism towards the price and how it was a demo, and it was mostly blamed on Konami, not Kojima, then the stuff about Hayter, I didn't see much criticism towards Kojima but Sutherland received all the hate for that topic

Well, to be honest I feel kinda sad, I felt sad when Hayter was gone but I think these news made me twice as sad.

 

[Dylan]

Metal Gear has gotten loads of criticism over the years. Really the only one that hasn't is MGS. SOL is still widely considered the worst and there is tons of videos about how much people hate it. I once watched Adam Sessler rip it apart for a solid 10 min. MGS3 has plenty to complain about but for once it isn't the story. All the psp entries are just considered good for the Psp. Ground Zeroes is probably the easiest to find criticism about. Between Paz getting raped and her ****** bomb there is plenty of ammo , not to mention the short length, change of voice actor and high original cost. Most of these are blamed on him. Especially the people that complain about long cut scenes and the convoluted story.

It has been criticized pretty much constantly since the beginning

 

[GasparZizou]

Everything is criticized by somebody, most great movies have at least a few ****** reviews, but they obviously get overwhelmed by the positive ones, that's why they get the rep of being good or great, the fact that some/few people criticise MGS doesn't mean it's not generally praised.

 

[GasparZizou]

This is the humorous

 

[Solidus]

Everything is criticized by somebody, most great movies have at least a few ****** reviews, but they obviously get overwhelmed by the positive ones, that's why they get the rep of being good or great, the fact that some/few people criticise MGS doesn't mean it's not generally praised.

Oh, it's a lot more than a few.

This is the humorous

 

[Irvy]

This is the humorous

That is not the humorous

 

[GasparZizou]

That is not the humorous

Ah, you pick up sarcasm, attaboy.

Oh, it's a lot more than a few.

In comparison to the praise, it's not.