The Avengers: The Motion Picture Discussion Thread- Open SPOILERS -enter at own risk!

[ironwez20]

My point is, given the box office take of the previous 2 Iron Man films, if you have RDJ in an Avengers movie, given his international appeal (and also his successful run as Sherlock Holmes), you put him front and center on the movie poster. Your point, which was likely to just troll me since it failed, was that X-Men had a dramatic actress (with Catwoman on her resume) and put her in the background banking on an unknown actor as one of the top 5 most famous comic book characters front and center on the poster for an action movie. If you think they'd have sold as many tickets marketing Berry as Storm vs. Jackman as Wolverine, might I suggest a basic course on marketing or advertising/promotions so you can get a clue?

Edit: Actually, better yet. I know you're still chaffed about getting PWND in the Spider-Man thread, but given this is an entirely different thread completely removed from that subject matter and that discussion was done days ago, have a good cry and get over it.

Owned in the spiderman thread. By who ? You ? Why are you bringing that up, why the insults. It's quite sad that You always feel the need to argue to fill in some void in your life. Stop being a child it's just a forum. You can engage people in conversation without being a ____ it's sooooo easy. Btw cap and ironman are both in the same league. Putting cap way in the back and iron man way in the front isn't a good marketing strategy.

 

[thenammagazine]

Owned in the spiderman thread. By who ? You ? Why are you bringing that up, why the insults. It's quite sad that You always feel the need to argue to fill in some void in your life. Stop being a child it's just a forum. You can engage people in conversation without being a ____ it's sooooo easy..

Thanks for proving my suspicion about general trolling. That aside....

Btw cap and ironman are both in the same league. Putting cap way in the back and iron man way in the front isn't a good marketing strategy.

Um... no. Open that little mind of yours and see it's not from a comic book perspective. Look at it from a financial perspective which is exactly what these film companies are doing. Especially when you're expecting to pull in money internationally. Chris Evans isn't near the draw of Robert Downey Jr. If you expect the movie to appeal to the widest draw possible, you put RDJ front and center.

Hell, I'd argue that coming off of Mission Impossible 4 and the Oscar winning Hurt Locker, Renner's a bigger pull than Evans.

 

[ironwez20]

Hmm Whatever then I don't know movies biz that well I was looking at it through a comic book perspective . Carry on

 

[Dr Daystrom]

Btw cap and ironman are both in the same league.

Other than with hardcore comic fans how?

Name recognition? Average man in the street:

Robert Downey Jr: Yeah!
Chris Evans: Who?

Box office:

Captain America:TFA: ~368 million worldwide
Iron Man: 500+ million worldwide
Iron Man 2: 600+ million worldwide

Seems to be a rather broad league.

 

[ironwez20]

Did I say with movies tho? Huh? No I meant when it comes down to comic books. Lol jeeziz. Jumping the gun and ____ .

 

[DiFabio]

Hulk > The rest of the Avengers

 

[thenammagazine]

Did I say with movies tho? Huh? No I meant when it comes down to comic books. Lol jeeziz. Jumping the gun and ____ .

You do realize you started all of this in a MOVIE thread, right?

 

[ironwez20]

You do realize you started all of this in a MOVIE thread, right?

The comment that he replied to wasnt about the MOVIE it was about the COMIC BOOK. You got meh.

 

[thenammagazine]

The comment that he replied to wasnt about the MOVIE it was about the COMIC BOOK. You got meh.

You quite ignorantly made no distinction in that post as to genre and given this is the movie subforum, and not the comic book subforum, naturally everybody who comes across it will discern that you meant the movies and not the comic books.

 

[ironwez20]

You quite ignorantly made no distinction in that post as to genre and given this is the movie subforum, and not the comic book subforum, naturally everybody who comes across it will discern that you meant the movies and not the comic books.

Did I say chris evans and Robert downey are in the same league ? I said Iron man and captain america. Stop nitpicking at little things to argue about. Your wrong get over it. The guy obviously replied to me thinking I was talking about the actors and or movies and not the hero's temselves.

 

[tinister]

Hulk > The rest of the Avengers

I thought Banner/Hulk was the best part of the movie too.

 

[tinister]

I don't think Evans has the box office pull RDJ has.

I was having a discussion with one of my co-workers just last week about this. We received final DVD/Blu-ray asset files for "Avengers". There's about 4 different box covers and RDJ/Iron Man is front and center in all of them.

So we made the same conclusion you did:

1) RDJ is a much much bigger marquee name than Evans, and
2) The Iron Man movies drew bigger box office than the Cap movie.

 

[tinister]

I'd like to see Cap in more of a leadership role, but not until they develop him a bit further. While I enjoyed Captain America, I thought he was completely "meh" in Avengers. Hoping Cap 2 fixes that.

It's kind of funny if you think about it. How uncomfortable it must be for Cap. His name is frikkin' Captain America. He's got the stars and stripes all over his uniform. He's a war hero.

The pressure on him to step up to be leader must be immense. Even if no one is actually pressuring him to do it.

 

[Dr Daystrom]

It's kind of funny if you think about it. How uncomfortable it must be for Cap. His name is frikkin' Captain America. He's got the stars and stripes all over his uniform. He's a war hero.

The pressure on him to step up to be leader must be immense. Even if no one is actually pressuring him to do it.

Agreed. I also think the Avengers script actually played Cap's current situation just about perfectly.

It's just a short time since he took a nearly seven decade nap as a Capsicle. He's awakened in a time that's obviously changed greatly, he's lost everyone he knew and cared for, and feels disconnected and distant from everything. (recall the dialogue when Fury first approaches him in the movie: "trying to get me back in the world, sir?" )

Heck, he doesn't even get what people are talking about when they're joking around most of the time. Expecting to him to step up at that point, and say to the group of people from the current era, "Ok, I'm in charge, here's the plan..." would have been ludicrous, and Whedon knew it.

Instead we have Cap trying to get his bearings, trying to figure out the new world he's confronted with and the rather unusual people populating his corner of it. The flashes of natural leadership are there though, and he rises to the occasion during the Chitauri battle, directing the cops , etc.

We're on a path to the confident, modern day Cap of the comics, we're just not there yet (nor should we be at this point).

 

[thenammagazine]

Did I say chris evans and Robert downey are in the same league ? I said Iron man and captain america. Stop nitpicking at little things to argue about. Your wrong get over it. The guy obviously replied to me thinking I was talking about the actors and or movies and not the hero's temselves.

Which would mean something if there weren't MOVIES about Captain America and Iron Man. There's no nitpicking here, just your continually ignorant trolling. Mentioning Captain America and Iron Man in a thread where both characters appeared in a movie will naturally (unless you're a total ____ing idiot <- generalization) be identified with the film versions of the characters and not the comic versions given you ineptly didn't specify in your post what you were talking about. You can keep replying here, but you're looking more and more ignorant with every post.

I was having a discussion with one of my co-workers just last week about this. We received final DVD/Blu-ray asset files for "Avengers". There's about 4 different box covers and RDJ/Iron Man is front and center in all of them.

So we made the same conclusion you did:

1) RDJ is a much much bigger marquee name than Evans, and
2) The Iron Man movies drew bigger box office than the Cap movie.

It's kind of funny if you think about it. How uncomfortable it must be for Cap. His name is frikkin' Captain America. He's got the stars and stripes all over his uniform. He's a war hero.

The pressure on him to step up to be leader must be immense. Even if no one is actually pressuring him to do it.

I'm gonna pull a Nolancompoop here and look at this with a deeper meaning that's likely not intentional. When Captain America reigned during WWII, America was all about the spread of freedom and democracy, the "American way." He fit as America's poster child. Today's America is all about Capitalism where you're judged more by your bank account and Facebook status than you are for heroism/service to your country. Proof is in the pudding. Ask your average teen if they know who Donald Trump is. When they say yes, ask them who Colin Powell is. Most won't know. So in that vein, it's appropriate that Stark is the face of the Avengers.

 

[Boba Ben]

That's kind of depressing.

 

[thenammagazine]

That's kind of depressing.

Isn't it? The media is as much to blame for it as anybody else though, given they're quick to tell you so-and-so totally bombed the red carpet and the only war coverage they want to show is either inflammatory against the troops or failures and casualties.

 

[Voorhees27]

I'm gonna pull a Nolancompoop here and look at this with a deeper meaning that's likely not intentional. When Captain America reigned during WWII, America was all about the spread of freedom and democracy, the "American way." He fit as America's poster child. Today's America is all about Capitalism where you're judged more by your bank account and Facebook status than you are for heroism/service to your country. Proof is in the pudding. Ask your average teen if they know who Donald Trump is. When they say yes, ask them who Colin Powell is. Most won't know. So in that vein, it's appropriate that Stark is the face of the Avengers.

This makes a ton of sense.

 

[Boba Ben]

Isn't it? The media is as much to blame for it as anybody else though, given they're quick to tell you so-and-so totally bombed the red carpet and the only war coverage they want to show is either inflammatory against the troops or failures and casualties.

Cap is one of my favorite comic characters and I really liked him in the movie. He was probably my favorite, personally. They did seem to portray him to be a somewhat naive follower. He saw no reason to doubt Nick Fury while Stark and Banner were both skeptical of his intentions. Stark insulted him quite a few times.

In spite of that, I feel like he shined through as a true hero in the movie. He was the one that was level headed and broke up the fight between Thor and Iron man, he took on Loki by himself, he was portrayed rescuing people multiple times during the final fight scene, and Coulson's hero admiration of him was prominently displayed with good reason in my opinion. Some of the things he says like the comment about Thor and Loki being gods as well as the trust and down to earth attitude that he carries when he first meets Bruce Banner on the Heli-Carrier embody values and beliefs that some may dismiss as old fashioned but what I like about him the most. Captain America is awesome.

 

[Voorhees27]

Cap just has a lot of catching up to do. His biggest issue would be dealing with the change of times.