X-Men: Apocalypse - May 27, 2016

[thenammagazine]

Yes, despite both surpassing the Box Office of their previous installments, they were big letdowns compared to said previous installments.

At least I liked IM2 better than 3.

Too many kids didn't get the concept that the suit doesn't make the man, Tony IS Iron Man and that Mandarin wasn't in IM3.

I agree TDKR was trash, but its box office earnings show that when you have Jonestowney followers, they'll re-see your movie continuously proclaiming it's messianic cinema until it's removed from theatres and then sit in the closet curled in a rocking ball crying for a fix until it's BR release.

 

[Uncanny Web-Slinger]

Metacritic and Rottentomatoes. The most trusted resources when they agree with you, totally dismissable when they don't.

As bad as IM2 was, it's oscar worthy compared to IM3

A lot more enjoyable. The PTSD thing in IM3 was such a downer, not to mention spending as little time in his armour as possible while trying to convince us he is Iron Man and failing constantly without it

I actually agree. I do think its a little bit like MOS in that it was a bit of a headscratcher that they wanted to portray the hero in a light that I wouldn't normally want with his PTS and seeming aversion to actually wearing the armor that defined him BUT if I take it as a buddy movie with super hero elements that always tries to keep you on your toes it did a hell of a job.

People say this but he spent most of the movie alone or with the kid, the buddy portion didn't come into play until the third act

Too many kids didn't get the concept that the suit doesn't make the man, Tony IS Iron Man and that Mandarin wasn't in IM3.

Except that it totally does. Without the armour he failed, he failed to escape the mansion he broke into, he failed to saves pepper, if he had tried to save the people on the plane without the armour he'd have failed.
He wouldn't have failed those things with the armour. Tony stark without the armour is like Superman without the sun, he's powerless and useless. He can say he's Iron Man but that doesn't meant crap as he and the audience are continually shown he's not Iron Man without the suit.

 

[pturtle]

To add to that Nova, all the new characters weren’t interesting aside from Trevor. The action was “meh”, and there are some truly cringeworthy scenes that rank right up there with FF films and X-Men Origins ( Pepper knows kung fu, every scene featuring the kid, Tony cracking jokes even after he thinks Peppor died etc…).

 

[GasparZizou]

Too many kids didn't get the concept that the suit doesn't make the man, Tony IS Iron Man and that Mandarin wasn't in IM3.

Yeah I get that, it's just that IM2 had more going on for me, I liked the villain better, the suit poisoning Tony, drunk IM, etc etc.

I actually didn't mind Trevor, he was funny, as I'm not a fan of the comics, it didn't bother me what they did with him.

 

[thenammagazine]

Yeah I get that, it's just that IM2 had more going on for me, I liked the villain better, the suit poisoning Tony, drunk IM, etc etc.

I actually didn't mind Trevor, he was funny, as I'm not a fan of the comics, it didn't bother me what they did with him.

It's really a shame there's no new IM solo films for the foreseeable future, and when they likely become a possibility, it'll be Rhodes in the suit. Every time I see it, that party scene really has me yearning for a big screen Demon in a Bottle and RDJ would be flawless in that story.

 

[karamazov80]

I’ll be sure to use this answer next time we’re arguing whether or not The Dark Knight Rises is great

TDKR isn't great, but it's not bad, either. It has some narrative problems, but it's only really bad relative to the first two Nolan movies, or arguably, it's bad as a Batman movie (because he's mopey and quits and retires to Italy, etc.). I don't care much for it, but can recognize that it does some things well. I certainly learned to appreciate it far more after POS. . .sorry, I meant MOS.

 

[DiFabio]

TDKR isn't great, but it's not bad, either. It has some narrative problems, but it's only really bad relative to the first two Nolan movies, or arguably, it's bad as a Batman movie (because he's mopey and quits and retires to Italy, etc.). I don't care much for it, but can recognize that it does some things well. I certainly learned to appreciate it far more after POS. . .sorry, I meant MOS.

Yeah, if I saw TDKR for the first time and didn't know,

A. who or what Batman was (from any medium)
B. never saw previous Batman films that preceded it
C. just saw the horrible MoS and Green Lantern DC movies, prior to this outting


I'd probably dig TDKR as a movie too. It's kind of like when you've already experienced something like a stomach flu, food poisoning, or a flesh eating virus. After you've experienced something, sorta like an everyday cold, it isn't that bad. In other cases, particularly this one, after experiencing something really great (other films and forms of Batman), you can't help but feel the latest stamp is mediocre. It'd be decent had you not experienced those other things, but, alas, you have. Oh well.

 

[Khev]

So DiFabio tell me something. Does TDKR have any redeeming value for you? Or is it one of those "not in my house" movies? Do you hold onto BB + TDK as this compartmentalized story or just not even care enough about the Nolan trilogy anymore to even bother watching even the first two?

I ask because I own that WB blu-ray four-pack of the Burton/Schumacher movies and I honestly like having the Schumacher films on hand, not because they're "good" or contribute to the mythos, but just because they're kind of funny and Forever at least does have a couple of genuinely cool parts. Surely TDKR can't be worse that those? Or is it just too painful to experience based on what came before, regardless of its quality compared to non-Bat films? Okay lots of questions, answer whatever you want, or nothing. Your call.

 

[DiFabio]

- No redeeming value, it gets worse and worse for me

- Not in my house

- Own multiple editions of The Dark Knight blu, and have a blu-ray and dvd edition of Begins (got suckered into the deluxe edition in 2008 with the unused Begins posters and Bank prologue comic). Love em.

- Compartmentalized story that ends with Batman riding off into the night on the Batpod as a Dark Knight (though, "rah" "rah", "TDK Trilogy" cheering Nolanites make it difficult

- Only have '89 Batman on blu-ray

- Have the old dvd anthology 4 pack from '05, which have nice commentaries and behind the scenes documentaries

- TDKR isn't "worse" than Batman and Robin (I still think B&R has value as a homage to the 60s show and Arnold's performance), but is worse than Forever for me. I haven't watched either of them in years though.

- After 2005 and 2008 goodness, it was an eye rolling experience, not painful (let's face it, there will be more Batman in the future).



I've got my fingers crossed that Cap will have a better third solo (and perhaps final?) entry than friggin' Batman. So far, it looks to be promising. Hope he steals the show in Age of Ultron.

 

[Khev]

- No redeeming value, it gets worse and worse for me

- Not in my house

- Own multiple editions of The Dark Knight blu, and have a blu-ray and dvd edition of Begins (got suckered into the deluxe edition in 2008 with the unused Begins posters and Bank prologue comic). Love em.

- Compartmentalized story that ends with Batman riding off into the night on the Batpod as a Dark Knight (though, "rah" "rah", "TDK Trilogy" cheering Nolanites make it difficult

- Only have '89 Batman on blu-ray

- Have the old dvd anthology 4 pack from '05, which have nice commentaries and behind the scenes documentaries

- TDKR isn't "worse" than Batman and Robin (I still think B&R has value as a homage to the 60s show and Arnold's performance), but is worse than Forever for me. I haven't watched either of them in years though.

- After 2005 and 2008 goodness, it was an eye rolling experience, not painful (let's face it, there will be more Batman in the future).

So what was the point of no return for you the first time you saw TDKR? I'm guessing you were back and forth on the good and the bad throughout and then when you saw him "retire" that was the nail in the coffin. Am I right?

And I'd love to see Cap steal the show in AoU but I just don't see it happening. For one Joss clearly isn't a huge fan and two I just don't think he's capable of directing action that would do Cap justice. I expect to see Steve do a lot of leaping and maybe a CG twirl or two and not much else. Obviously I hope to be proven very wrong.

 

[Niltusk]

I think you may, Whedon has a habit of switching focus in episodes, maybe something similar will happen here if he feels Cap had too much dead air time in Avengers, but...yeah, if you're expecting TWS action Cap....well... good luck with the wait.

 

[karamazov80]

Maybe one day we can get all these comic directors together to make the ultimate comic book movie. Singer and his buddies could handle the general story and drama, Nolan's crew would handle the cinematography, Whedon could do the comedy and structure the massive battles, Snyder would handle the details of filming/CGing the devastation and would edit the trailer together, the Russos could handle any Jason Bourne type hand to hand fighting that would need to take place, and Tim Story could tackle the catering duties.

Yeah, if I saw TDKR for the first time and didn't know,

A. who or what Batman was (from any medium)
B. never saw previous Batman films that preceded it
C. just saw the horrible MoS and Green Lantern DC movies, prior to this outting


I'd probably dig TDKR as a movie too. It's kind of like when you've already experienced something like a stomach flu, food poisoning, or a flesh eating virus. After you've experienced something, sorta like an everyday cold, it isn't that bad. In other cases, particularly this one, after experiencing something really great (other films and forms of Batman), you can't help but feel the latest stamp is mediocre. It'd be decent had you not experienced those other things, but, alas, you have. Oh well.

Good way of describing this situation, IMO.

 

[meanstreak]

Deadline is reporting young Cyclops, Storm and Jean in this one

Apocalypse takes place a decade after Days of Future Past and is a seamless next step in the story. The altering of time has unleashed a new and uniquely powerful enemy. Charles (James McAvoy), Erik/Magneto (Michael Fassbender), Raven/Mystique (Jennifer Lawrence), Wolverine (Hugh Jackman) and Hank/Beast (Nicholas Hoult) are joined by young Cyclops, Storm, Jean and others as the X-Men must fight their most formidable foe yet: an ancient unrelenting force determined to cause an apocalypse unlike any in human history. The universe continues to expand with characters, and maybe this is the one where Channing Tatum comes aboard as Remy LeBeau, better known as Gambit, which has been widely rumored even by the Foxcatcher star himself.

Also Bryan Singer is back officially as director.

https://deadline.com/2014/09/bryan-singer-xmen-apocalypse-director-sequel-838588/

I wonder how old they will make the actors, hopefully same age as Hoult, Lawrence..

 

[karamazov80]

I figured we were going to see them. I really hope Gambit doesn't appear in this one, at least not in a sizable role, but fear that he will.

 

[pturtle]

Deadline is reporting young Cyclops, Storm and Jean in this one


Also Bryan Singer is back officially as director.

https://deadline.com/2014/09/bryan-singer-xmen-apocalypse-director-sequel-838588/

I wonder how old they will make the actors, hopefully same age as Hoult, Lawrence..

After a long day, this news put a smile on my face.

 

[Uncanny Web-Slinger]

Can't wait. Let's the fan casting commence

 

[pturtle]

I figured we were going to see them. I really hope Gambit doesn't appear in this one, at least not in a sizable role, but fear that he will.

I would love to see him introduced, but I agree, he probably shouldn’t have big role.

 

[meanstreak]

Can't wait. Let's the fan casting commence

What age range do you think they are going for? I think it would be safest for Singer to have at least an 18 yr old for Cyclops

Can't really think of any actors or actresses in that age range. Sophie Turner would be a great Jean... or Elle Fanning depending on if they want to go younger.

 

[Uncanny Web-Slinger]

Sophia Turner or perhaps Deborah Ann Woll for Jean would be my pics

 

[karamazov80]

Sansa Stark wouldn't be my first choice. Would make for a nice awkward, teenage Jean, but I don't think she would be well suited to an older, more mature Jean later on. They could cast just about any female of the right age and dye her hair, so a natural redhead isn't necessary.