*BEWARE SPOILERS* Deadpool & Wolverine (July 26th, 2024)

JAWS said:

WTF Banned????

I leave for a little bit to avoid all spoilers and all hell breaks loose.

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I missed it but apparently one of his photoshop creations in The Acolyte thread crossed a line - or at least one of the mods thought so lol.

Just got out of a second showing. Was still smiling the whole way through. Really can’t remember the last time a movie had me like that.

chrisstbh said:

Just got out of a second showing. Was still smiling the whole way through. Really can’t remember the last time a movie had me like that.

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notice anything new?

The Buffinator said:

I missed it but apparently one of his photoshop creations in The Acolyte thread crossed a line - or at least one of the mods thought so lol.

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Jye can you repost that again so I can see it?

Jye won't even go into the Acolyte thread anymore.

He missed several "welcome backs"... and jokes...

Wor-Gar said:

Jye won't even go into the Acolyte thread anymore.

He missed several "welcome backs"... and jokes...

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Let the dead rest in peace.

Meanwhile, I gave this a 10/10, had a great time in a packed theater.

So Feige has now confirmed that “anchor being” is very important going forward into Doomsday and Secret Wars.

what is anchor being?

Wor-Gar said:

what is anchor being?

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Something stupid.

Wor-Gar said:

what is anchor being?

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Good question

crows said:

notice anything new?

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Just some more Deadpool variants etc. watching the background of the fight too.

JacktheRipper said:

Something stupid.

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Wor, simply put, I'm sure there is more nuance to it, a being that anchors a universe. Without him/her/it/they/them, etc. that world dies.

JacktheRipper said:

Wor, simply put, I'm sure there is more nuance to it, a being that anchors a universe. Without him/her/it/they/them, etc. that world dies.

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Example; Robert Downey Jr is Disney’s anchor being.

JacktheRipper said:

Wor, simply put, I'm sure there is more nuance to it, a being that anchors a universe. Without him/her/it/they/them, etc. that world dies.

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So I gather that only a select few universes have anchor beings, because unless they all have anchor beings who continuously heal and never age like Wolverine then they’re all going to die anyway once their anchor beings die. Unless Loki saves them. Yes, this is definitely something stupid. Let’s never speak of it again lol.

chrisstbh said:

Example; Robert Downey Jr is Disney’s anchor being.

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True, and with this premies they are going to sink like one.

The Buffinator said:

So I gather that only a select few universes have anchor beings, because unless they all have anchor beings who continuously heal and never age like Wolverine then they’re all going to die anyway once their anchor beings die. Unless Loki saves them. Yes, this is definitely something stupid. Let’s never speak of it again lol.

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The 'Anchor being' concept was just a meta joke highlighting that all fox-men movies and spinoffs were wolverine centric and once Jackman killed the character off in Logan it was inevitable that the fox x-men universe would eventually run out of steam. It is not meant to be taken seriously in the context of the story as it just doesnt really work that way.

Paradox (Feige) and his TVA team represent the MCU execs behind the scenes and their world ending device is the Fox corporate merger / buy out by Disney which brings the fox universe to an end (Feige's decision) earlier than it would have done if left to run out its natural course and eventual collapse without Jackman.

The Deadpool movies are the one anamoly in the Fox universe because they were driven by Reynolds (not the fox execs) and were successful without wolverine. Feige wants Reynolds in the MCU (Paradox's offer) but Reynolds will only do it if he gets to put Jackman's wolverine in his movie. Reynolds then makes a movie which is essentially a love letter to the Fox universe which has no impact on the MCU at all other than to bring all of the fox characters under the MCU banner. You can tell from the marketing and Fiege's comments that he wants people to belive that this is next unmissable part in his MCU story but that's not what Reynold's delivered. Instead Reynold's deadpool essentially uses the movie as a vehicle to save the Fox characters because now they are part of the MCU library and mulitiverse thereby connecting all of their movies to a film universe that is continuing and not dead.

Reynolds literally persauded jackman to come back for one last wolverine centric fox movie which saved the fox universe. It's a bit on the nose but I just really like the ideas in play and it's why I can give a pass to the 'thin' movie plot because it was essentially just a thinly veiled representation of what actually happened behind the scenes.

jye4ever said:

So Feige has now confirmed that “anchor being” is very important going forward into Doomsday and Secret Wars.

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Link? Quote?

Mandible said:

Wasn't a fan. Ryan Reynolds, one-trick-pony from beginning to end. I laughed at a couple of moments in the beginning and then it just becomes rinse and repeat tiresome.

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Well, we will all get a ton of Marvel Legends figures out of it. That's one thing that's almost certain here. Hot Toys will cover some range of characters, then literally everything else will turn into a Marvel Legends set.

Was nice to see the "Uphill Ice Skater" again. But limited to no accessory potential. Also his outfit/armor/aesthetic was a bit off/weird to me from a potential action figure perspective. Lack of general gunplay in the MCU means lack of accessories. If you look at the Black Widow sets, think about how much easier things would be for our few surviving dealers if Natasha and Yelena rolled up with a ton of firepower in a few scenes? Think about the cool part out potentials for that.... If you buy a McFarlane DC Multiverse figure, it's kind of the same song, the mandates from HQ mean no gunplay and no accessories towards that.

These films and TV series don't need to be a full stop non stop ad for toys, but at least have some merchandising potential in mind for the overall display/aesthetics involved. I don't think that's much to ask. What I wouldn't have given for an Uphill Ice Skater character that had simple gear from the first film in his own trilogy. What a boon that would be to get a Hot Toys figure from the first film in that series. God, that's a grail to so many people.

As for the film, as Ryan Reynolds is effectively directing and writing these films now by proxy, but has mostly creative control, at least he understood there was very little room left to take the Deadpool character. So this film isn't really a true Deadpool movie. It's mostly a Hugh Jackman tribute film if anything. A large narrative problem that stood out immediately was that there was very little room to take both major characters. So Reynolds didn't try to do more than he did. I don't think that was a horrible compromise for the situation. But I suppose the big question is if there is more than enough here for something beyond a pure fan service film. I think a few less MCU/Feige digs would have served the script better. IMHO, Deadpool is best when he's just blunt/crass/confrontational but not completely wrong about the thing he says about larger concepts.

Do I think we will get great toys. Eh, not really. So the typical consolation prize for all of us usually that resides in the back end, whether we vibe with something or not, I don't see it for myself much here. But I guess I'll save money that way.

The more I see modern movie aesthetics, the more I appreciate the genius of Ralph McQuarrie. That dude gave us some damn good toys. His visual tone and curation was off the charts. I mean stuff that would pop onto the screen and you said to yourself , "Damn, I want a toy of that. Right now" I've said it before, when you lose the pure working class aesthetic in the industry, when you lose touch with working class people who are paycheck away from being homeless, when you forget how those people have to actually live and struggle, then you become too detached to what they will tend to enjoy watching. Spectacle for them is about escapism, not feeding some creative's narcissism.

I'm OK with this film. Not as good as the first obviously, not the same heart as the first but again, Reynolds had nowhere to go with these characters, so he at least stopped trying to go anywhere really and laid down mostly pure fan service. It wasn't completely clean, but at least it was honest.

jye4ever said:

So Feige has now confirmed that “anchor being” is very important going forward into Doomsday and Secret Wars.

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From a practical standpoint, whether people like the concept or not, it will open up a lot of freedom for the writers room.

Now you have a film or films built around "Exec Protect" concepts. Basically a soft lift of the Eugene/Abraham dynamic from The Walking Dead. More of the early comics and not so much the TV show. You have one person who is designated the core principal. Now everyone who dies to keep them safe is sacrificing for a greater good ( i.e. purposeful death in a flat simple fashion for the writers), instead of just wanton carnage and a massacre to just trim character bloat. It puts safe simple structure around potential action scenes. It relieves the writers of being cornered into some strange exposition situations for some character arcs.

Is it a bit of a "gimmick"? Yes. But will it more likely help the potential writing of the script and the characters versus not? Also, I'd say Yes to that.

And let's face it, the current MCU could use anything it can get right now to simplify/help the general overall writing of these films. Best way to put this is imagine a MCU version of "Way Of The Gun" Bringing back real tension and stakes, even with a bit of a gimmick, if executed correctly, won't be, IMHO a bad thing at all. But again, it still come down to the execution of the overall concept. There's both good and bad potential to anything. On an aside, I wouldn't really believe a single word Feige says in public. He's just making most of it up as he goes along, just like everyone else. The logistics, internal politics and complexity to these kind of productions, especially on a long term schedule across years, is too complicated to not be forced into unintended directions all the time.