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[LOTRfan85]

He served as a punching bag for Iron man, the twins did all the damage to the team, its not even clear that Ultron was responsible for the whole meteor Idea and construction because the plot was so bad, Ultron should have been a global threat, he barely threatened a city, it was underwhelming and lackluster

First of all Ultron is not fully realised, he's young and still learning, he's not a fully realised AI. And like I say, that stance from a villains point of view is like saying villains like sauron played no part. Ultron pulled the strings, Ultron tricked the twins, and Ultron almost wins within an hour of the film to become Ultron vision.

 

[LipSmack]

First of all Ultron is not fully realised, he's young and still learning, he's not a fully realised AI. And like I say, that stance from a villains point of view is like saying villains like sauron played no part. Ultron pulled the strings, Ultron tricked the twins, and Ultron almost wins within an hour of the film to become Ultron vision.

whatever helps you sleep at night, Ill leave off with a "youre in the minority for a reason"

 

[Hologram AI]

First of all Ultron is not fully realised, he's young and still learning, he's not a fully realised AI.

That exactly why they failed in making him a good villain. Marvel screwed the pooch with Ultron.

I don't understand their desire in wanting to kill off villians in the first movie that they appear in. They did it right with Loki and Winter Soldier. Both are villians who have had previous movies to cover their backstory and will also have future movies in the MCU.

Ultron was UNSTOPPABLE in the comics. The only reason he lost in the comics was because Ultron was informed that the endless time war with Kang was damaging the timestream. It got to such a point that it would eventually fracture and collapse. Ultron CHOSE to give up the war, rather than see all of time destroyed.

He became so powerful that he was able to withstand an assault from Carol Danvers, Silver Surfer, Hercules, Dr. Doom, The Vision, Magneto, Spectrum, two Quasars, several Mar-Vells, Kang the Conqueror, Cyclops, Kang’s future army, and countless others that could not fit into the panel (other characters shown in other panels are Juggernaut, Moondragon, Volstagg, Wonder Man, The Thing, Hank Pym, Terrax, and the Sentry.

What do we get in the movie? A character that jokes about and gets beat around like a doll from one Avengers to the next. They handled him poorly and it's a shame because they could have really made him out to be a menacing villian in the MCU.

Show his birth in AOU and his rise in power. Cut the crappy jokes and show that he can take down multiple Avengers at once. Let his plan to rule earth fail by the end of AOU but have him escape rather than completely destroyed. Allow him to come back in the future as a reoccuring villian and comes back stronger and stronger.

They did the same thing to Yellowjacket. Wasted by just having him wiped out completely by the end of the movie. They need to flesh out these villians more.

 

[LipSmack]

^thank you for a thurough post AI

 

[ronri]

think of it this way, the twins would have beat the avengers whether they were with Ultron or not, he added nothing to the mix

Uhh except he was the one who threatened the existence of humanity? The twins even found his plan to be so screwed up that they ended up betraying him. The twins couldn't do anything without Ultron's direction and knowledge of the Avengers. If they did, they wouldn't have stuck around him.

He served as a punching bag for Iron man, the twins did all the damage to the team, its not even clear that Ultron was responsible for the whole meteor Idea and construction because the plot was so bad, Ultron should have been a global threat, he barely threatened a city, it was underwhelming and lackluster

Someone clearly wasn't paying attention.

Ultron communicated many times how much he wanted to play God and throw a meteor at Earth, how you didn't think it was clear as day that the meteor idea was something he made up on his own is just reaching at this point. He was a global threat, and he had the means to cause human extinction. He lifted endangered an entire city and nearly caused human extinction. The Avengers would have been screwed if it weren't for SHIELD. Funny too, considering how in TWS, Cap was essentially against SHIELD and yet it's the "good ones" of the bunch that still ended up saving their butts in AOU anyway.

Most of the issues surrounding AOU had less to do with Ultron than anything else to be brutally honest (seriously, Hawkeye is the "glue" of the team? where the hell did that come from???)

Ultron was UNSTOPPABLE in the comics. The only reason he lost in the comics was because Ultron was informed that the endless time war with Kang was damaging the timestream. It got to such a point that it would eventually fracture and collapse. Ultron CHOSE to give up the war, rather than see all of time destroyed.

Except this particular storyline was based on an alternate timeline Ultron? Ehh but who reads comics anyways right?

Personally if I were to choose a story/scheme for Ultron, I'd go with his assimilation tactic in Rage Of Ultron (which is also a REALLY good book for Hank/Ultron fans). Besides, Ultron has always been more interesting Literally achieves his "peace in our time" directive and negates the issue of Ultron being deflected from using the nuclear warheads (since he doesn't need them anymore). Besides, Ultron isn't interesting because he's unstoppable but because of his relationship with the Avengers (something that was greatly underdeveloped in the film since he only ever made a connection to Vision and even barely towards Tony).

That said, I do agree that they shouldn't kill off the villains too early. AOU was at least ambiguous enough with how Ultron "died" so I can only hope that they'd try a second shot at Ultron akin to the brilliant writing in Rage Of Ultron which had Ultron return after a long time, and he plotted to assimilate with all life in the universe. Problem is, Marvel Studios is getting too casual in how they're building everything up to Infinity War that they're forgetting that there's other villains out there beyond Thanos and Loki.

 

[LipSmack]

Uhh except he was the one who threatened the existence of humanity? The twins even found his plan to be so screwed up that they ended up betraying him. The twins couldn't do anything without Ultron's direction and knowledge of the Avengers. If they did, they wouldn't have stuck around him.


Someone clearly wasn't paying attention.

Ultron communicated many times how much he wanted to play God and throw a meteor at Earth, how you didn't think it was clear as day that the meteor idea was something he made up on his own is just reaching at this point. He was a global threat, and he had the means to cause human extinction. He lifted endangered an entire city and nearly caused human extinction. The Avengers would have been screwed if it weren't for SHIELD. Funny too, considering how in TWS, Cap was essentially against SHIELD and yet it's the "good ones" of the bunch that still ended up saving their butts in AOU anyway.

Most of the issues surrounding AOU had less to do with Ultron than anything else to be brutally honest (seriously, Hawkeye is the "glue" of the team? where the hell did that come from???)



Except this particular storyline was based on an alternate timeline Ultron? Ehh but who reads comics anyways right?

Personally if I were to choose a story/scheme for Ultron, I'd go with his assimilation tactic in Rage Of Ultron (which is also a pretty good book for Hank/Ultron fans but that's beside the point). Literally achieves his "Peace in our time." directive and negates the issue of being deflected from using the nuclear warheads.

I was, its never explicitly stated if Ultron started that plan from scratch or picked up where strucker may have left off, the script could go either way and they dont settle on one particular thing, so I wont give hime credit.

and yes we found out about the vibranium through him, but it could still be what von struckers plan called for as strucker knew Klaw and could have been working out a deal previously

 

[LipSmack]

And AI didnt speak to its continuity... its still the comics. and regardless, any iteration of comic dUlltron outclasses and out power MCU dulltron everyday of the week

 

[ronri]

I was, its never explicitly stated if Ultron started that plan from scratch or picked up where strucker may have left off, the script could go either way and they dont settle on one particular thing, so I wont give hime credit.

and yes we found out about the vibranium through him, but it could still be what von struckers plan called for as strucker knew Klaw and could have been working out a deal previously

Uhm no. It was pretty clear. Strucker's plan was just making a similar Iron Legion army. Ultron thought that God throwing a rock at Earth was the best idea ever. Or are you telling me that Strucker had a god-complex and wanted to act all Old Testament on human existence all of a sudden?

And AI didnt speak to its continuity... its still the comics. and regardless, any iteration of comic dUlltron outclasses and out power MCU dulltron everyday of the week

I guess you also like the one where Daredevil was able to knock off Ultron's head with a tree branch?
Because comics > film any day right?

 

[LipSmack]

Uhm no. It was pretty clear. Strucker's plan was just making a similar Iron Legion army. Ultron thought that God throwing a rock at Earth was the best idea ever. Or are you telling me that Strucker had a god-complex and wanted to act all Old Testament on human existence all of a sudden?


I guess you also like the one where Daredevil was able to knock off Ultron's head with a tree branch?
Because comics > film any day right?

Im saying the film is ambiguous enough that im not giving Ultron the credit

and im not familiar with that story line, is it actually ultron, sentry, dumby? a single picture doesnt do much for your argument there, but im guessing its still better

 

[Y4NK33 PL4N3T]

Uhh except he was the one who threatened the existence of humanity?

Isn't that a staple of any MCU villain?

 

[ronri]

Im saying the film is ambiguous enough that im not giving Ultron the credit

and im not familiar with that story line, is it actually ultron, sentry, dumby? a single picture doesnt do much for your argument there, but im guessing its still better

You said any iteration of Ultron, and yes that's an iteration of Ultron in the comic that was salvaged by Doom to go after Daredevil and co. So much for "a single picture" huh?

Saying that any comic Ultron > movie Ultron everyday of the week isn't much of an argument either when you didn't even know about this one.

Isn't that a staple of any MCU villain?

It is. Except apparently it's not the case for movie Ultron since apparently the twins could have done everything without him and Ultron added nothing "to the mix".

Go figure.

I mean, I guess that's why the twins betrayed him because they could wipe out humanity themselves.... oh wait...

 

[LipSmack]

You said any iteration of Ultron, and yes that's an iteration of Ultron in the comic that was salvaged by Doom to go after Daredevil and co. So much for "a single picture" huh?

Saying that any comic Ultron > movie Ultron everyday of the week isn't much of an argument either when you didn't even know about this one.



It is. Except apparently it's not the case for movie Ultron since apparently the twins could have done everything without him and Ultron added nothing "to the mix".

Go figure.

I mean, I guess that's why the twins betrayed him because they could wipe out humanity themselves.... oh wait...

I stand by my statement, dulltron is laughable

all they had to do was a time skip of a year with a 2 min montage of him and the twins wreaking havok and the avengers always being late, unable to stop him, show an actual threat, show some genuine mass destruction, death etc... this whole movie sucked (minus the africa bits)

 

[ronri]

I stand by my statement, dulltron is laughable

Well he did make jokes you know so I guess those were funny.

Still I find it funny how people hold up the films like they're meant to be the be all end all of comic storytelling. I mean if you don't like the films there's always the comics or other media formats. Which is why I find Ultron to be such a fun character. He's not bound to any one version, and that includes even in the comics where there's so many versions of Ultron that you can essentially pick and choose which story you like or dislike. I just find that your assessment of movie Ultron to be unfair considering how you're comparing it to the comics whereas there's loads of really stupid and wacky stories for Ultron in the comics (so much so that it makes the movie look like a masterpiece).

That being said, if you're ever curious to check out an actual GOOD story for Ultron, I'd recommend you to check out "Avengers: Rage Of Ultron".

The title might sound like cash-grab but it's really not, it's anything but that. Plus it's not sold as separate issues but as one complete graphic novel.

 

[LipSmack]

as true as that may be in some regards, most of the movie viewing MCU fans have panned AOU, theres obviously massive problems and Ultron is usually always cited as one

 

[ronri]

as true as that may be in some regards, most of the movie viewing MCU fans have panned AOU, theres obviously massive problems and Ultron is usually always cited as one

Well I don't mind not being like most movie viewing MCU fans then, as I like having my own opinions on the matter. As an Ultron fan, MCU Ultron may not be the best but it's sure as hell a lot better than many of the 2-D or dumb portrayals that the character has gotten from the comics (unstoppable or not).

ANYWAY, Yellowjacket..... uhm yes. I love the costume but given how much this thing might cost, I don't think I like the character enough to cave in.

 

[Hologram AI]

Still I find it funny how people hold up the films like they're meant to be the be all end all of comic storytelling. I mean if you don't like the films there's always the comics or other media formats. Which is why I find Ultron to be such a fun character. He's not bound to any one version, and that includes even in the comics where there's so many versions of Ultron that you can essentially pick and choose which story you like or dislike. I just find that your assessment of movie Ultron to be unfair considering how you're comparing it to the comics whereas there's loads of really stupid and wacky stories for Ultron in the comics (so much so that it makes the movie look like a masterpiece).

It's not really comparing him to the comics and wanting him to be 100% like his comic counterpart. My previous post was just to show how they treat MCU villians so poorly in terms of life span. Marvel seems to love not taking the time to flesh them out.

Because I'm fine with how MCU Ultron is and his personality IF they didn't put him in the garbage bin so quickly.

They do Loki and Winter Soldier justice yet they treat Ultron like he's a low class villian. It would have just been nice to see them not throw him away so quickly but allow him to come back so that we get a more fleshed out character.

I don't have a problem with how they interpret and present these characters. They can do whatever they want since it's another universe but don't be so quick to dispose them. It's just a waste seeing these villians killed off in one movie instead of having them branch out throughout the MCU.

 

[ronri]

It's not really comparing him to the comics and wanting him to be 100% like his comic counterpart. My previous post was just to show how they treat MCU villians so poorly in terms of life span. Marvel seems to love not taking the time to flesh them out.

Because I'm fine with how MCU Ultron is and his personality IF they didn't put him in the garbage bin so quickly.

They do Loki and Winter Soldier justice yet they treat Ultron like he's a low class villian. It would have just been nice to see them not throw him away so quickly but allow him to come back so that we get a more fleshed out character.

I don't have a problem with how they interpret and present these characters. They can do whatever they want since it's another universe but don't be so quick to dispose them. It's just a waste seeing these villians killed off in one movie instead of having them branch out throughout the MCU.

I'm definitely in agreement with you there. It's ridiculous how quick Marvel is at disposing their villains. It worked early on when they were still testing out the waters with their films, but now that the MCU has become a continuous universe in of itself, it's such a misfire that they'd easily throw away some of their bigger villains without leaving any room for them to return and develop further.

 

[LOTRfan85]

I'm definitely in agreement with you there. It's ridiculous how quick Marvel is at disposing their villains. It worked early on when they were still testing out the waters with their films, but now that the MCU has become a continuous universe in of itself, it's such a misfire that they'd easily throw away some of their bigger villains without leaving any room for them to return and develop further.

Well we have heard the rumours with vision and Ultron, well it seems to be part of marvels big master plan when it comes to where we going to. Only thing worries me with thanos, is the motive behind the gantlet and the reason why he wants to do it, if they follow the comics

 

[guy66657]

Well we have heard the rumours with vision and Ultron, well it seems to be part of marvels big master plan when it comes to where we going to. Only thing worries me with thanos, is the motive behind the gantlet and the reason why he wants to do it, if they follow the comics

If they don't introduce Mistress Death somewhere, i'll be pissed. Then the whole "To challenge them is to court Death" would be a completely pointless line. It was such a perfect line to introduce Thanos, too.

 

[LOTRfan85]

If they don't introduce Mistress Death somewhere, i'll be pissed. Then the whole "To challenge them is to court Death" would be a completely pointless line. It was such a perfect line to introduce Thanos, too.

I expect her to be in it, never been a fan of his reason and motive on why he's doing this is to impress her. If that's where it leads to, but? On the other hand it probably works, gives thanos more depth than I'm a super villain that wants to destroy the universe for no reason

Either way, mistress of death will be an interesting HT's to do if we get her in infinity wars