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[DarkAngel]

Cuttlefish.......womp womp womp..... I saw a documentary once it was terrifying..

My friend LOVES cuttlefish so her and I died laughing during that scene

 

[LexiKon318]

To add to the kidnapping
Widow discussion ... it bugged me more that when Ultron took Natasha, he made zero attempts to recover the oh-so-precious cradle on the Quinjet.

Was the trailer explosion really enough to derail any such attempt?

 

[DarkAngel]

To add to the kidnapping
Widow discussion ... it bugged me more that when Ultron took Natasha, he made zero attempts to recover the oh-so-precious cradle on the Quinjet.

Was the trailer explosion really enough to derail any such attempt?

Yeah I agree. If he grabbed her, he could have taken the cradle....I think this just adds to the idea that he is immature and juvenile villain.

Oh well The movie is amazing and I love everything about it!

 

[Brainiac]

My friend LOVES cuttlefish so her and I died laughing during that scene

That's funny

 

[Brainiac]

Oh well The movie is amazing and I love everything about it!

This!

 

[LOTRfan85]

That would have absolutely RUINED the film for me.

"Oh, now we can kill off Natasha to create drama since we have another female team member in Scarlet Witch. One female at a time, you know!". That's what killing Natasha would've come across like. Natasha's part in AOU had some issues to begin with - leading up to killing her would've been the worst thing they could've done.

She's one of my favorite characters.

I'm sick to death of all the calls for character death, to be honest. I love these characters and they're why I love this universe, so I don't want too many of them killed off just for shock value or to create drama when there are other ways to do that. I'm so, so, so glad they haven't killed a bunch of their characters. It keeps me enjoying the MCU.

Marvel's been mostly hits for me.


Scarlet Witch did most of that. Ultron even says he and Piotr can hurt them, but she can tear them apart. And she did.

Avengers was a set up film - building up the team. That's not the movie to bring in despair and darkness and conflict that will separate them and carry over into the next film. And I love the fun and joy of the Avengers and wouldn't change that for anything.

Is killing her the worst? or it makes the MCU unpredictable, that no hero is safe. The problem with the avengers and mostly the MCU they do not kill anyone off, that is the big problem with it and this hurts the villains, the villain never has its day. Its not killing hero's off for shock factor, its balancing out the stages and creating an edge that the villain is a threat. Has we get closer and closer to infinity wars, if we have way too many hero's alive, it becomes a cluster****.

Am I saying kill everyone off? no, what I am saying is, you cannot keep having these films if the villains says some stuff, and kills no one, hell loki kills one of the agents and he is brought back anyway. Its probably what made AOU a little bit different, they did kill a hero, so I will give them credit. But on some levels, a war machine, falcon, black widow, in the future vision should be taken out of the game. If throughout the MCU we get no hero deaths, its a big copout playing it safe to please everyone

 

[DarkAngel]

Is killing her the worst? or it makes the MCU unpredictable, that no hero is safe. The problem with the avengers and mostly the MCU they do not kill anyone off, that is the big problem with it and this hurts the villains, the villain never has its day. Its not killing hero's off for shock factor, its balancing out the stages and creating an edge that the villain is a threat. Has we get closer and closer to infinity wars, if we have way too many hero's alive, it becomes a cluster****.

Am I saying kill everyone off? no, what I am saying is, you cannot keep having these films if the villains says some stuff, and kills no one, hell loki kills one of the agents and he is brought back anyway. Its probably what made AOU a little bit different, they did kill a hero, so I will give them credit. But on some levels, a war machine, falcon, black widow, in the future vision should be taken out of the game. If throughout the MCU we get no hero deaths, its a big copout playing it safe to please everyone

They don't have to die per say. They could retire

 

[LOTRfan85]

They don't have to die per say. They could retire

Well when thanos arrives, how can anyone retire and let him destroy everything? I am not saying kill everyone, was just hoping for some casualty's, to give the sense of dread for the villain, which Ultron could have been more, and Thanos is well which is a worry

 

[DarkAngel]

Well when thanos arrives, how can anyone retire and let him destroy everything?

I feel like you just want to see some avengers die I on the other hand don't. I trust MCU to handle the story and characters so if they kill off someone fine, if they don't they don't!

 

[LOTRfan85]

I feel like you just want to see some avengers die I on the other hand don't. I trust MCU to handle the story and characters so if they kill off someone fine, if they don't they don't!

I actually do want some avengers to die, especially when facing thanos. I would expect to see that happen, if Thanos is that powerful especially with the gantlet

 

[Josette]

Is killing her the worst? or it makes the MCU unpredictable, that no hero is safe. The problem with the avengers and mostly the MCU they do not kill anyone off, that is the big problem with it and this hurts the villains, the villain never has its day. Its not killing hero's off for shock factor, its balancing out the stages and creating an edge that the villain is a threat. Has we get closer and closer to infinity wars, if we have way too many hero's alive, it becomes a cluster****.

Am I saying kill everyone off? no, what I am saying is, you cannot keep having these films if the villains says some stuff, and kills no one, hell loki kills one of the agents and he is brought back anyway. Its probably what made AOU a little bit different, they did kill a hero, so I will give them credit. But on some levels, a war machine, falcon, black widow, in the future vision should be taken out of the game. If throughout the MCU we get no hero deaths, its a big copout playing it safe to please everyone

Killing off one of the black sidekick characters, and one of the two female characters (at this point)? They're not going to do that.

And why is that whenever someone talks about raising stakes and killing characters off, these are the characters people go for -right along side the love interests like Jane or Pepper? You want "no hero is safe" stakes that would be them permanently killing off Tony Stark or Steve Rogers or Thor or Hulk.

Heroes can get seriously inured, captured/tortured, brainwashed, laid up, have to retire....etc.... Killing isn't the only way to create drama or to validate a villain. And one of the reasons I love the MCU is that it doesn't rely on it. The problems some of their villains have hasn't been not killing a hero to me - it's their motivation or lack of it, the generic "destroy the world" bad guys. Loki was an amazing villain because he was a CHARACTER with depth and exploration. Not because he killed but didn't kill Phil Coulson. Alexander Pierce was a great villain along with Hydra not because one of Cap's team mates bought it, but because of how they came from within the system and used the world against itself.

I have no doubt characters will die in IW and I hope they do it justice. But I'm glad I don't go into every other MCU movie wondering which character will bite it.

 

[DarkAngel]

Killing off one of the few black sidekick characters, and one of the two female characters (at this point)? They're not going to do that.

And why is that whenever someone talks about raising stakes and killing characters off, these are the characters people go for -right along side the love interests like Jane or Pepper? You want "no hero is safe" stakes that would be them permanently killing off Tony Stark or Steve Rogers or Thor or Hulk.

Heroes can get seriously inured, captured/tortured, brainwashed, laid up, have to retire....etc.... Killing isn't the only way to create drama. And one of the reasons I love the MCU is that it doesn't rely on it. The problems some of their villains have hasn't been not killing a hero to me - it's their motivation or lack of it, the generic "destroy the world" bad guys. Loki was an amazing villain because he was a CHARACTER with depth and exploration. Not because he killed but didn't kill Phil Coulson. Alexander Pierce was a great villain along with Hydra not because one of Cap's team mates bought it, but because of how they came from within the system and used the world against itself.

I have no doubt characters will die in IW and I hope they do it justice. But I'm glad I don't go into every other MCU movie wondering which character will bite it.

Well said

 

[LOTRfan85]

Killing off one of the black sidekick characters, and one of the two female characters (at this point)? They're not going to do that.

And why is that whenever someone talks about raising stakes and killing characters off, these are the characters people go for -right along side the love interests like Jane or Pepper? You want "no hero is safe" stakes that would be them permanently killing off Tony Stark or Steve Rogers or Thor or Hulk.

Heroes can get seriously inured, captured/tortured, brainwashed, laid up, have to retire....etc.... Killing isn't the only way to create drama or to validate a villain. And one of the reasons I love the MCU is that it doesn't rely on it. The problems some of their villains have hasn't been not killing a hero to me - it's their motivation or lack of it, the generic "destroy the world" bad guys. Loki was an amazing villain because he was a CHARACTER with depth and exploration. Not because he killed but didn't kill Phil Coulson. Alexander Pierce was a great villain along with Hydra not because one of Cap's team mates bought it, but because of how they came from within the system and used the world against itself.

I have no doubt characters will die in IW and I hope they do it justice. But I'm glad I don't go into every other MCU movie wondering which character will bite it.

Loki was a meh villain in assembled, he is a good character but not a good villain and that is the difference, ledgers joker is someone who was a great character and also a great villain. If you watch assembled he did not do much, Loki said some things, but doing them different story. And his so called masterplan he did not even need to be captured, his motive to release the HULK clearly he did not need to be there, because Bruce was pissed at agents in spite of Loki, because Tony found out about what agents were up to, so Bruce was going to snap anyway. And overall you just did not buy Loki has a threat to the avengers especially with his showing in Thor. Tom does a great job grabbing your attention in terms of his performance, but has a villain not so much.

Ultron I find a much better villain because he has got the arsenal and the tools to beat the avengers, which was a huge plus in AOU. I look at Ultron and we see a villain that can match the avengers with mind and physical strength. He is not here playing mind games, he is here to pull the pin on the grenade. Ultron's end of the world plan is more in line on what I would expect from a villain like him, someone of AI intelligence with knowledge that is growing and growing, collecting data and knowing about Tony's past, his hostile mentality I would expect him to nuke earth. He is of the line that he sees a better world, a more efficient world. So the end of the world plot is more in line with someone like Ultron, so that I have no problem with. That was one of the big enjoyments in AOU, we have a villain who I could buy that could win. I found Ultron very unnerving, his mind is so warped he cannot tell the difference between destroying the world, and saving it, and that is a scary mentality to have which made Ultron scary.

Jarvis is probably the reason why Ultron did not basically wipe out earth half way through the film, so Ultron was probably the closest we have seen in the MCU in beating them, which is why I liked AOU more. That is one of the pluses in the 2 avengers films the steaks have been raised, and I would expect them to go higher in the next 2 avengers films

 

[Josette]

We'll agree to disagree on Loki.

 

[bransen2099]

No no I see his point, he's a great character, but in Avengers his drive to do what he did wasn't that villainous. He was waaaaaaay better in Thor 1

 

[Motuxmen]

Where's all the smart alec comments about the essay post?

Guess it's only me that gets that privledge

 

[Josette]

I think his plan was pretty villainous. Let an alien army invade earth so he could enslave people?

So disagree on that, too.

 

[bransen2099]

Where's all the smart alec comments about the essay post?

Guess it's only me that gets that privledge

Completely unjust bro. I feel yah

 

[bransen2099]

I think his plan was pretty villainous. Let an alien army invade earth so he could enslave people?

So disagree on that, too.

The reason behind it was meh. Cause he can't be king of Asgard so go to Midgard instead? Sounds spoiled

 

[Josette]

The reason behind it makes perfect sense in connection with the first Thor. And that he would choose Earth because Thor took a liking to it.