Fat People

[Mr. Green]

leave em fatty alone. they're entitle to eat dammit. they paid for it.

I am gonna pick em parsley on my front n backyard that grows like weeds now a days and eat em raw! who's with me?

 

[The Ween]

I don't see people who are eating their way into a hospital in a remotely differant light from those shooting heroine into their veins and ending up there.

Either way I don't want my money going to help get those people back on their feet so they can get another fix.

I don't want my money going for smokers either then.

Or drinkers. Or people who jump out of airplanes or ........

Hell.....anorexics end up in hospitals. Why should we pay for them?

 

[The Ween]

I think you're oversimplifying things a bit. Even people that are height/weight proportionate can have bad health due to diet.
Now you and me can look through the window and say, "Oh you need to stop eating so much or eating crap." Easier said than done.
A lot of people don't know how to eat healthy or don't even have access to healthy foods. Many aren't educated to the dangers of things like high fructose corn syrup or gluten or what-not.
The one way to not have to pay for "these people" is some form of access to preventative health and education. It's not the fact that they're fat or eating badly that's costing you money. It's the fact that they don't have access and the cost to treat their diseases comes too late and at too high of a cost.

I'd hold your breath because they aren't going to believe you anyway. I know what you're saying and understand it. They'll just say it's all eating like pigs and being lazy.

 

[CriterionCollector]

I don't want my money going for smokers either then.

Or drinkers. Or people who jump out of airplanes or ........

Hell.....anorexics end up in hospitals. Why should we pay for them?

Don't forget all those lousy kids that get asthma because their parents smoke in the home and in the car. Who do they think they are? If they were smart they would have pulled thmeselves up by their bootstraps and moved out!

 

[VASith]

I think you're oversimplifying things a bit. Even people that are height/weight proportionate can have bad health due to diet.
Now you and me can look through the window and say, "Oh you need to stop eating so much or eating crap." Easier said than done.
A lot of people don't know how to eat healthy or don't even have access to healthy foods. Many aren't educated to the dangers of things like high fructose corn syrup or gluten or what-not.
The one way to not have to pay for "these people" is some form of access to preventative health and education. It's not the fact that they're fat or eating badly that's costing you money. It's the fact that they don't have access and the cost to treat their diseases comes too late and at too high of a cost.

If you are over 15 years old and don't know that fruit and vegetables are healthy while soda, burgers and fries are unhealthy then you are stupid and beyond hope.

And it has been proven again and again that its cheaper and faster to cook healthy at home compared to eating at McDonald's 5 times a day. Don't confuse laziness with ignorance.

I'm a chef and have cooked professionally for the past 13 years. You'd be amazed with some of the unhealthy eating I've witnessed. The education is out there, the resources are out there..people are just lazy and enjoy eating their whoppers and Big Macs. Then they wonder why they are a size 42 waist.

 

[CriterionCollector]

If you are over 15 years old and don't know that fruit and vegetables are healthy while soda, burgers and fries are unhealthy then you are stupid and beyond hope.

And it has been proven again and again that its cheaper and faster to cook healthy at home compared to eating at McDonald's 5 times a day. Don't confuse laziness with ignorance.

I'm a chef and have cooked professionally for the past 13 years. You'd be amazed with some of the unhealthy eating I've witnessed. The education is out there, the resources are out there..people are just lazy and enjoy eating their whoppers and Big Macs. Then they wonder why they are a size 42 waist.

Actually many fruits are considered off limits because of their high sugar content.
Again, over-simplification. Your job is as a chef, but sometimes when you've got a full time job, maybe are in school and raising 2 children, McDonald's is a quicker alternative to spending a couple hours making a healthy meal.
Another oversimplification: People can eat McDonald's on a regular basis. It's not exactly the food that hurts you, it's what's in the food. eating healthy is expensive for a full family. Whether it's a Big Mac or Spaghetti and Ragu, there's garbage in each that an overindulgence of can create medical issues.
I'm just pointing out that the go to argument that "Oh, they're lazy fat-f@cks, is a lazy ignorant argument in and of itself."
There are many mitigating factors to the obesity problem and if you want to have a rational discussion then we should discuss each point instead of turning this into "Wisdom I got from a Cracker Jack box."

 

[Invictus Sol]

Great points, Criterion and Ween, though I'd agree with Ween that it's a wasted effort. A lot of 'every man for themselves' types on this forum.

 

[VASith]

Actually many fruits are considered off limits because of their high sugar content.
Again, over-simplification. Your job is as a chef, but sometimes when you've got a full time job, maybe are in school and raising 2 children, McDonald's is a quicker alternative to spending a couple hours making a healthy meal.
Another oversimplification: People can eat McDonald's on a regular basis. It's not exactly the food that hurts you, it's what's in the food. eating healthy is expensive for a full family. Whether it's a Big Mac or Spaghetti and Ragu, there's garbage in each that an overindulgence of can create medical issues.
I'm just pointing out that the go to argument that "Oh, they're lazy fat-f@cks, is a lazy ignorant argument in and of itself."
There are many mitigating factors to the obesity problem and if you want to have a rational discussion then we should discuss each point instead of turning this into "Wisdom I got from a Cracker Jack box."

You can make a dinner for four with fresh veg, brown rice or wheat pasta for half the price of McDonald's for four. I have a full time job, leave the house at 5:20 am, my wife works 12 hours a day at homeland security, and we have an 11 month old. We haven't eaten fast food in maybe 8 years or so. If you take the time to educate yourself you will learn how much cheaper and healthier it is to cook at home. You can check cookbooks out of the library for free, there are hundreds of free websites with healthy recipes, there are dozens of cable tv shows that teach you how to cook healthy food. The resources are there if you want to use them.

And I can teach you to make a dozen healthy recipes that take less than 20 minutes. How long does it take you to drive to McDonald's, order, and drive home. And what's the food and gas price cost? You only live once, and you only get one body. You should take care of it.

And I don't mean you specifically but a general "you."

 

[Mr. Green]

Chefs aren't immune to being fat. Just look at Paula Deen. I am sure everyone knows, like all people, there's good n bad chefs as well. Eating good food is a challenge to some people.

I just left my crap but needed job and am looking to get back in shape again. Although I am not entirely out of shape, since I've been eating right, I am looking forward to much needed exercise.

 

[VASith]

Chefs aren't immune to being fat. Just look at Paula Deen. I am sure everyone knows, like all people, there's good n bad chefs as well. Eating good food is a challenge to some people.

I just left my crap but needed job and am looking to get back in shape again. Although I am not entirely out of shape, since I've been eating right, I am looking forward to much needed exercise.

Sorry but I have no sympathy for people who drink sodas all day, eat sweets all day, then wonder why they have diabetes. Time for people to take responsibility for their actions.

 

[Deckard]

Don't forget all those lousy kids that get asthma because their parents smoke in the home and in the car. Who do they think they are? If they were smart they would have pulled thmeselves up by their bootstraps and moved out!

Shame. You know what they aren't? My kids. My responsibility. They have living parents. Not everyone's parents make em brownies for the school cake walk and help with the homework but that doesn't make them not their responsibility. This policy further encourages that exact behavior to continue by valaditing their behavior as not their fault.

Sorry but I have no sympathy for people who drink sodas all day, eat sweets all day, then wonder why they have diabetes. Time for people to take responsibility for their actions.

Bingo. We've gotten to where no one can ever be wrong for their lifestyle or actions, just differant and choosing their own way, and so you can never assign any blame to anyone and so nothing will ever change and only get worse.

 

[BadMoon]

Chefs aren't immune to being fat. Just look at Paula Deen. I am sure everyone knows, like all people, there's good n bad chefs as well. Eating good food is a challenge to some people.

I just left my crap but needed job and am looking to get back in shape again. Although I am not entirely out of shape, since I've been eating right, I am looking forward to much needed exercise.

She's fat and a racist. So what.

 

[user 1190]

I travel a ton and trust me its pain to try and eat even somewhat good. It's not laziness its just the number of healthy restraints is pretty low. I try to avoid fast food and fried food as much as I can but sometimes its the only option.

 

[CriterionCollector]

Sorry but I have no sympathy for people who drink sodas all day, eat sweets all day, then wonder why they have diabetes. Time for people to take responsibility for their actions.

I have diabetes and I don't do either.

 

[Eli26]

I don't drink, soda, or junkfood. I have the occasional cereal/protein/granola bar here and there, but for the most part I stay to my chicken, veggies, and fruits. Stay to the outside walls of the grocery store people. The isles in are mostly junk. I say mostly, because there are the occasional good stuff.

 

[Mr. Green]

Sorry but I have no sympathy for people who drink sodas all day, eat sweets all day, then wonder why they have diabetes. Time for people to take responsibility for their actions.

Understandable.


I am a half empty and half full glass type of guy. There's people who also starve to fit a certain image/mold as an actress/model or just want to look good, etc. Few people who willingly gain weight to play a role in a film, etc. like Renee Zellwegger. And there's people who's starving.

Life's full of em.

 

[karamazov80]

I travel a ton and trust me its pain to try and eat even somewhat good. It's not laziness its just the number of healthy restraints is pretty low. I try to avoid fast food and fried food as much as I can but sometimes its the only option.

Even with fast food there are reasonably healthy options. McDonald's had grilled chicken sandwiches and wraps. Wendy's has salads. Subway always has something healthy. I'm sure it is unhealthy in the sense that the food was probably treated with growth hormones, etc., but I mean not everything there is high in calories, fat, sodium, etc.

In my own case, I'm not exactly a healthy eating nut, but I do try to minimize unhealthy foods (including fast food, but also unhealthy foods available at "real" restaurants and at home), but I splurge from time to time. The rule of thumb for me is reigning it in, not eating until I'm full, making sure I balance things out by eating healthier if I ate more unhealthy the day before, etc. I don't want to go to extremes either way, because for me, part of enjoying life is eating good, sometimes unhealthy food. But moderation is key. The older I've gotten, I have found that this basic rule works in almost every aspect of life--work, exercise, relaxation, play, relationships, etc.

 

[Solidus]

We need a thread about Phat People.

 

[user 1190]

Even with fast food there are reasonably healthy options. McDonald's had grilled chicken sandwiches and wraps. Wendy's has salads. Subway always has something healthy. I'm sure it is unhealthy in the sense that the food was probably treated with growth hormones, etc., but I mean not everything there is high in calories, fat, sodium, etc.

In my own case, I'm not exactly a healthy eating nut, but I do try to minimize unhealthy foods (including fast food, but also unhealthy foods available at "real" restaurants and at home), but I splurge from time to time. The rule of thumb for me is reigning it in, not eating until I'm full, making sure I balance things out by eating healthier if I ate more unhealthy the day before, etc. I don't want to go to extremes either way, because for me, part of enjoying life is eating good, sometimes unhealthy food. But moderation is key. The older I've gotten, I have found that this basic rule works in almost every aspect of life--work, exercise, relaxation, play, relationships, etc.

I know that's what I try to stick to when I do eat fast food. I don't consider that exactly heathy but healthier option. For regular restaurants I try to stick to places I know have fresher food. I am not a healthy eating nut either but knowing the majority if my meals are from restaurants I have to at least try to be good or I will be in real trouble. Lucky for me I am still active so while I may be a lil overweight I am not unhealthy.

 

[Mr. Green]

at least we're not one of em people who use tape worms to be thin, LOL. talking about taking advantage of a parasite.