Hot Toys- DX14- Mime version Joker... didn't see this coming!

[TheFiend]

I don't think Sideshow allows them do that anymore.

I just checked.you're right. That sucks. When did this start?

 

[DiFabio]

Recently. Like Haytil said, since they're the distributor, they're killing retailers like TA, BBTS, CSC, Alterego, etc.

I remember when other retailers offered their figures for a little less, they had a nice little deal if you ordered early. Now? Nope. Sideshow has the better deals because of the whole free shipping thing.

Same thing with the split shipments and what they're allotted to have.

 

[TheFiend]

Man, that sucks for retailers. AE was my place.

You say free shipping, does SSC offer that for all Hot Toys? I thought exclusives got it but regulars didn't.

 

[DiFabio]

Actually the opposite.


Regulars get it but exclusives don't.

 

[CloudN]

I am not surprised but the announcement of this. It has been said in the interviews that there will be more than one version of the Joker because of the expensive cost of Jack Nicholson's license. Hot Toys will need a way to make that money back. The multiple versions of Heath Ledger Joker on the other hand is pretty much greed.
I would live to own this figure for a cheaper price. No need for a PER system head and no need for a slightly more detailed base. A black standard HT base would have worked great and keep cost low

 

[CloudN]

Dunno why HT lets on.cc take pics of their new PO's

Because on.cc is a website for a local Hong Kong neespaprr. Theh usually write aticles on upoming HT releases.

 

[Boba Ben]

I talked to a bunch of retailers at comic con a few weeks ago. Sideshow is really putting the squeeze on them with regards to Hot Toys, and so their margins are drying up. Given how Sideshow has treated both retailers and customers ever since they acquired their exclusive rights to distribute Hot Toys in the US, they're becoming the Microsoft of the industry...

I've heard this quite a lot as well. I'm kind of worried about some of the smaller shops I like to buy through. The new Sideshow policy is really hurting their bottom line.

 

[TheFiend]

Everyone keeps talking about the expensive cost of Nicholson's likeness but, again, is this fact or forum rumor? I don't remember HT saying that it was very expensive therefore they will make multiple figures.

Plus, I don't know why everyone assumes that all because they made one figure of a certain actor that they can make as many figures from multiple movies etc. using his/her likeness. I'm sure it all depends on the contract.

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[kl241]

Everyone keeps talking about the expensive cost of Nicholson's likeness but, again, is this fact or forum rumor? I don't remember HY saying that is was very expensive therefore they will make multiple figures.

Plus, I don't know why everyone assumes that all because they made one figure of a certain actor that they can make as many figure from multiple movies etc from his/her likeness. I'm sure it all depends on the contract.

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Jack was a shrewd business man. He waived salary in lieu of a huge percentage of merchandising. Smart man.

 

[TheFiend]

I knew he got percentage of merchandising but I did not know he waived his salary. Risky move....and smart. He really believed in this movie.

 

[Master Wayne]

Sideshow has the better deals because of the whole free shipping thing.

Unless you live in California and have to pay state tax, like myself. Then no, it's not really much of a deal anymore.

 

[DiFabio]

Unless you live in California and have to pay state tax, like myself. Then no, it's not really much of a deal anymore.

Yeah, that's true.

 

[haytil]

Everyone keeps talking about the expensive cost of Nicholson's likeness but, again, is this fact or forum rumor? I don't remember HT saying that it was very expensive therefore they will make multiple figures.

I think "misinformed opinion" would be the most accurate description. Most fans don't really understand what's going on, but they think they do, so they state with certainty what they believe - and it gets accepted by others and passed on, like a bad game of "Telephone."

Nicholson receives a large cut of merchandising, yes. But this is a large cut of ALL Batman 1989 merchandising, not just stuff with his face or name on it. For instance, he makes money from the Hot Toys Michael Keaton Batman figures as well.

In addition, this "cut" comes out of what the studio receives - it's not paid for by Hot Toys or the licensee directly. In other words, Hot Toys may pay $20 per figure, to the movie rights owner, for whichever movie the figure comes from (a number I just made up for this example). Normally the studio (WB, in this case) would pocket those $20, but in the case of Batman 1989 figures, WB then goes and gives a few bucks to Nicholson (likely 1 or 2 dollars, depending on the numbers in the contract).

But either way, Hot Toys is only paying $20.

There is no evidence that the higher price for the Joker figure has anything to do with Nicholson's contract with WB for a percentage of the merchandising rights, and Hot Toys has not made any claim to this effect either.

Jack was a shrewd business man. He waived salary in lieu of a huge percentage of merchandising. Smart man.

This is not true. Nicholson did not waive his salary - he simply mandated that a cut of the merchandising be included as well.

I am not surprised but the announcement of this. It has been said in the interviews that there will be more than one version of the Joker because of the expensive cost of Jack Nicholson's license. Hot Toys will need a way to make that money back. The multiple versions of Heath Ledger Joker on the other hand is pretty much greed.

lolwut? How is making a popular figure that sells well considered "greed," but making any other figure that also sells well not "greed?"

It's a business, they're out to make as much money as they can. Either ALL of it is greed or NONE of it is.

 

[Vortex]

Man, that sucks for retailers. AE was my place.

You say free shipping, does SSC offer that for all Hot Toys? I thought exclusives got it but regulars didn't.

Actually the opposite.


Regulars get it but exclusives don't.

Not seeing free shipping on this figure. It appears flat rate is $10 in the states. What gives?

https://www.sideshowtoy.com/?page_id=4489&sku=902047&ref=learnmore_902047#HotToysItem

 

[Bustajesse]

The display base is pretty awesome but man that back drop is awful. I am assuming this is nowhere near the final product and is a quick mock up to give you an idea of what it will be. I am curious as to what those black rectangles are for on the base.

Oh and for anyone in the USA looking for free shipping on this guy, check out Super Power Collectibles.

https://www.superpowercollectibles.com/the-joker-1989-mime-version-dx-series-figure-by-hot-toys/

 

[dominishin]

Eh I never use backdrops anyways. Just printed images on a flat surface doesn't say "high-end" to me and cheapens the look.

 

[subzro]

Eh I never use backdrops anyways. Just printed images on a flat surface doesn't say "high-end" to me and cheapens the look.

I never use any of the DX stands and don't have room for this backdrop anyway.

 

[Wor-Gar]

I think "misinformed opinion" would be the most accurate description. Most fans don't really understand what's going on, but they think they do, so they state with certainty what they believe - and it gets accepted by others and passed on, like a bad game of "Telephone."

Nicholson receives a large cut of merchandising, yes. But this is a large cut of ALL Batman 1989 merchandising, not just stuff with his face or name on it. For instance, he makes money from the Hot Toys Michael Keaton Batman figures as well.

In addition, this "cut" comes out of what the studio receives - it's not paid for by Hot Toys or the licensee directly. In other words, Hot Toys may pay $20 per figure, to the movie rights owner, for whichever movie the figure comes from (a number I just made up for this example). Normally the studio (WB, in this case) would pocket those $20, but in the case of Batman 1989 figures, WB then goes and gives a few bucks to Nicholson (likely 1 or 2 dollars, depending on the numbers in the contract).

But either way, Hot Toys is only paying $20.

There is no evidence that the higher price for the Joker figure has anything to do with Nicholson's contract with WB for a percentage of the merchandising rights, and Hot Toys has not made any claim to this effect either.

This is not true. Nicholson did not waive his salary - he simply mandated that a cut of the merchandising be included as well.

Mostly very true. Except that Nicholson solely controls his likeness rights. Otherwise WB would have been selling Nicholson Joker toys 'til the cows come home for the last 20+ years.

His likeness rights on top of the Batman merchandising could be a double whammy for authentic Nicholson Joker items. Jack does not release his likeness readily.

 

[Batty]

Mostly very true. Except that Nicholson solely controls his likeness rights. Otherwise WB would have been selling Nicholson Joker toys 'til the cows come home for the last 20+ years.

His likeness rights on top of the Batman merchandising could be a double whammy for authentic Nicholson Joker items. Jack does not release his likeness readily.

Imagine a licensed figure of the guy in your sig. If only...

 

[Wor-Gar]

Imagine a licensed figure of the guy in your sig. If only...

Did you like Cumber-batty in "Star Trek"?