1/6 Hot Toys - MMS 279 - Star Wars Episode IV: 1/6th scale Darth Vader

[CriterionCollector]

Who gives a ****. Star Wars ANH isn't exactly a great script to begin with. I mean it's conceivable that the whole relationship between Luke and Ben lasted about a day which totally makes Luke look like a kid with serious mental health issues. The thing that always bugged me was Ben dies, Luke is bummed, then he shoots some Tie Fighters and he's all better.

 

[DiFabio]

I mean it's conceivable that the whole relationship between Luke and Ben lasted about a day which totally makes Luke look like a kid with serious mental health issues.

 

[Marine Boy]

It's likely that Ben knew he was unable to defeat Vader in a straight duel, but more importantly knew he was of greater value to Luke as a spirit rather than in his physical form, hence why he sacrificed himself. Remember his "i shall become more powerful than you can possibly imagine" line to Vader. Had Ben survived and escaped the Death Star with the others, he would not have been "with" Luke during the attack on the Death Star. Luke would have used the targeting computer on his attack run, fluffed it, and Yavin IV would have been destroyed. End of movie.

 

[demorathis]

Who gives a ****. Star Wars ANH isn't exactly a great script to begin with. I mean it's conceivable that the whole relationship between Luke and Ben lasted about a day which totally makes Luke look like a kid with serious mental health issues. The thing that always bugged me was Ben dies, Luke is bummed, then he shoots some Tie Fighters and he's all better.

But if you put a bird on the script, it'll be great!

 

[momaw]

Who gives a ****. Star Wars ANH isn't exactly a great script to begin with. I mean it's conceivable that the whole relationship between Luke and Ben lasted about a day which totally makes Luke look like a kid with serious mental health issues. The thing that always bugged me was Ben dies, Luke is bummed, then he shoots some Tie Fighters and he's all better.

I know when I'm bummed shooting a few tie fighters makes everything better.

 

[Asta]

...Ben dies, Luke is bummed...

Who was bumming Luke?

Is there a deleted scene?

 

[SNIKT1950]

Agree 100%!!

That scene should not have made it into the film. Nor the lines of dialogue discussing it from Padme and Obi-Wan.

I disagree. Seeing the resolve Anakin had in entering the dark side is what makes his story so tragic. He's willing to destroy Anakin Skywalker to become Darth Vader because in the end Padme will live. You can't just hear rumors of his evil deeds to buy the new Vader persona - you gotta see the extent of his will to embrace the other side.

People love to bash the prequels but ROTS had a great story to tell and Lucas pulls it off despite some bad dialogue from Christensen and a few others - which I quickly forgave every time Ian McDiarmid was onscreen devouring his role to perfection.

 

[CollectorGuy]

I disagree. Seeing the resolve Anakin had in entering the dark side is what makes his story so tragic. He's willing to destroy Anakin Skywalker to become Darth Vader because in the end Padme will live. You can't just hear rumors of his evil deeds to buy the new Vader persona - you gotta see the extent of his will to embrace the other side.

People love to bash the prequels but ROTS had a great story to tell and Lucas pulls it off despite some bad dialogue from Christensen and a few others - which I quickly forgave every time Ian McDiarmid was onscreen devouring his role to perfection.

Ian looked so much better in ROTJ as palpatine with just his subtle make-up, not that prosthetic butt-head crap from ROTS.

 

[TaliBane]

I disagree. Seeing the resolve Anakin had in entering the dark side is what makes his story so tragic. He's willing to destroy Anakin Skywalker to become Darth Vader because in the end Padme will live. You can't just hear rumors of his evil deeds to buy the new Vader persona - you gotta see the extent of his will to embrace the other side.

People love to bash the prequels but ROTS had a great story to tell and Lucas pulls it off despite some bad dialogue from Christensen and a few others - which I quickly forgave every time Ian McDiarmid was onscreen devouring his role to perfection.

Do you leave the writer and/or director out of that? The actors have to say it, but they didn't write it.

ROTS does have a 3 hour lightsaber battle (that honestly feels like a non-interactive video game) with Ewan's shrill broque whining "you were the chosen one!" but there's a few things to like in that movie. The opening space battle isn't one of them. I like the opera scene though and the Kasshyk scenes.

 

[TaliBane]

Ian looked so much better in ROTJ as palpatine with just his subtle make-up, not that prosthetic butt-head crap from ROTS.

Yeah, it's like a Klingon turtle shell with camel toe down the middle.

It's weird that Ian's young in 1982 playing old man Palps, then, decades later, he plays the younger Palps - when Ian's much older.

 

[TonTon]

It's likely that Ben knew he was unable to defeat Vader in a straight duel, but more importantly knew he was of greater value to Luke as a spirit rather than in his physical form, hence why he sacrificed himself. Remember his "i shall become more powerful than you can possibly imagine" line to Vader. Had Ben survived and escaped the Death Star with the others, he would not have been "with" Luke during the attack on the Death Star. Luke would have used the targeting computer on his attack run, fluffed it, and Yavin IV would have been destroyed. End of movie.

I think Ben becomes "more powerful" not because he can whisper to Luke from the dead (maybe that's a fraction of it) but because he has successfully sold the lie that Vader is this evil dude who killed Luke's father and now Luke sees him slay Ben too. Luke's instant connection to Ben is due to the fact that he was a close friend of his father's so at that duel, Luke sees what he thinks is the last remnant of his father die.

 

[rubio95]

I disagree. Seeing the resolve Anakin had in entering the dark side is what makes his story so tragic. He's willing to destroy Anakin Skywalker to become Darth Vader because in the end Padme will live. You can't just hear rumors of his evil deeds to buy the new Vader persona - you gotta see the extent of his will to embrace the other side.

People love to bash the prequels but ROTS had a great story to tell and Lucas pulls it off despite some bad dialogue from Christensen and a few others - which I quickly forgave every time Ian McDiarmid was onscreen devouring his role to perfection.

That's my whole point. Anakin's turn to the Dark Side is supposed to be tragic. If you murder children, your fall is not tragic.

 

[eczamurai]

That's my whole point. Anakin's turn to the Dark Side is supposed to be tragic. If you murder children, your fall is not tragic.

There is nothing tragic about Anakin's turning. He's whiny for thinking his wife will die, which is sad, but the moment he choses to slaughter kids "for" her you can throw sadness out of the window. A better option would be for his hand to be forced by the emperor in a different way. Maybe threaten her or someone else if he doesn't do as he bids. And have him become addicted the more he goes dark even though his hand is forced. That's tragedy, because he doesn't WANT to be bad, but he is forced to do so by someone else and on top of that it's very addicting.

Compare it do this:

Someone's wife is kidnapped and he has to do things he doesn't want to do at all but he has to because his hand is forced. But in this he does horrible things he KNOWS is wrong but simply can't revert. Therefor he has to chose to live as a criminal simply because there is no reason to expect society to forgive him. Logically. And the longer he does this the more he gets used to it untill he realises he has a son, which upsets his life.

In ROTS you see ZERO grief from Anakin's part, he thinks he's doing the right thing, even though ANY other person could conceive it as completely irrational and stupid. It would be far more interesting if Anakin himself KNEW it wasn't the right thing to do.

"from my point of view the Jedi are evil"

Would have been far better if he had said:

"I'm sorry my friend, I have to do this."

Or something along that line, maybe less corny.

 

[eczamurai]

Just making Anakin less obnoxiously stupid would have helped a ton now that I think of it. -_-

 

[eczamurai]

Who gives a ****. Star Wars ANH isn't exactly a great script to begin with. I mean it's conceivable that the whole relationship between Luke and Ben lasted about a day which totally makes Luke look like a kid with serious mental health issues. The thing that always bugged me was Ben dies, Luke is bummed, then he shoots some Tie Fighters and he's all better.

This isn't quite true because in the beginning of the film he said: "Do you think he means Ben Kenobi?"

What the relationship he and Ben might have had beforehand isn't clear in the film, only that his uncle wishes him to stay away from his. This doesn't mean he actually did stay away though.

And shooting tie-fighters probably caused him to get rushed with adrenaline. Fearing for your own life kind of means you stop crying about others. And I believe he said I wish Ben were here later in the film, so he hasn't like.. completely forgotten.

ALSO mind you the moment Ben dies Luke hears him say : "Run, Luke!" So he might have known Ben wasn't quite gone.

 

[YankeesFanboy]

Yeah, it's like a Klingon turtle shell with camel toe down the middle.

It's weird that Ian's young in 1982 playing old man Palps, then, decades later, he plays the younger Palps - when Ian's much older.

Well done.

There is nothing tragic about Anakin's turning.

This pretty much sums it up. A hero's fall is tragic. A whiny prick's fall is not. Anakin was not legendary enough, not heroic enough, not mature and stoic enough, in the PT.

 

[eczamurai]

Well done.



This pretty much sums it up. A hero's fall is tragic. A whiny prick's fall is not. Anakin was not legendary enough, not heroic enough, not mature and stoic enough, in the PT.

Exactly.

An example of a tragic hero's fall: Boromir. He goes for the ring, even though he knows he doesn't really want it, he doesn't actually go evil all the way though. But who knows what would have happened to him if he actually did aquire the Ring. Actually, the Ring in LOTR is very much how I view the Dark Side should be handled in Star Wars. A great temptation.

 

[Invictus Sol]

Yep, that would've been a good way to have handled it. I always wanted Anakin to be a Aragorn type character that gets frustrated and stymied at every turn, then little by little starts taking short cuts until he's lost to the dark side. Boramir too would've been a good template.

 

[Wor-Gar]

bad dialogue ... which I quickly forgave every time Ian McDiarmid was onscreen devouring his role to perfection.

 

[eczamurai]

Now that I think of it, I think I should have gone with this:

Kenobi and Anakin fight Dooku, Dooku apparantly slaughters Anakin, Obi Wan beats Dooku, frees the Senator. Senator claims Anakin's body and turns him into Vader. Vader is turned evil and dark, maybe due to programming and he does horrible things. Have him sometimes struggle with his humanity sometimes taking over during the terrible deeds he does but ultimately failing to the machine part. Padmé cannot love him anymore, even though he still feels the need for her love somewhere in this metal body, which is the final push for him to go dark. Good thing is you now have Vader, the Vader we know and love, to be awesome for a whole film long. And that final Kenobi fight would have been all the better for it. Don't know how that would end though. Kenobi can't lose, but having Vader lose would be weird, should be a stand still, with Kenobi's experience matching Anakin's now superior strength.

EDIT: the above sounds like Robocop. Which makes sense.